LeQuint Allen is Back

[hoopsupstate]

He punched a guy in the face? That’s another Tuesday for any player on Clemson, FSU, tOSU, PSU, etc, etc. Suspend him for Colgate game and let’s move on with our lives.

I read that Georgia had numerous players involved in serious off field issues. Surprise, none were dismissed. I’m not saying it’s right, but you have to have a little common sense.

 

[Nick44]

My cousin threw a recruit (he was hosting mind you) into a plate glass window at a bar on marshall street because he talked to my cousin‘ girlfriend. Nothing happens except we didn’t get the signing

Is that why Michael Vick didn’t sign with us?

 

[Cuse Action]

This is just so Syracuse.

 

[HtownOrange]

What is New York’s law on self defense?

If Allen was truly defending himself and the University rules don’t provide for self defense, he has a valid argument. The University-especially the student run punishments-cannot deny an individual their legal rights.

 

[hoopsupstate]

The fact that LaQuint played in the Bowl game and in the spring game and Dino allowed this, tells me Dino didn’t think it was serious. That’s my take.

 

[MSOrange]

I'm trying to stay calm. But before we, including me, go off the deep end, we really need to know more about what happened here. It is possible that this is justified. More information will tell us. And we may get that if this goes to court.

Agree. I'm probably considered objective to the point of being anal retentive in many cases by some on the board, but based on the information presented in the article, this punishment is way over the top.

 

[HtownOrange]

Agree. I'm probably considered objective to the point of being anal retentive in many cases by some on the board, but based on the information presented in the article, this punishment is way over the top.

Agreed. That is why children (student run punishment) should be tempered by adults (school administration, lawyers, non-radical in any direction-except SU Fandom-professors).

 

[Nick44]

The fact that LaQuint played in the Bowl game and in the spring game and Dino allowed this, tells me Dino didn’t think it was serious. That’s my take.

And the fact that 7 months has gone by and not a peep from any player or coach in the program, you’d think it was water under the bridge.

Not to mention, he could’ve just entered the portal and avoided all of this crap. The fact he didn’t tells you he thought it wouldn’t come to this. I was actually mildly surprised he wasn’t poached because of how well he played in bowl game. Surprised Minnesota didn’t just bring him home with them.

 

[NYCCuse826]

What is New York’s law on self defense?

If Allen was truly defending himself and the University rules don’t provide for self defense, he has a valid argument. The University-especially the student run punishments-cannot deny an individual their legal rights.

NYS laws wouldn't apply here. For anyone who is a student, you don't want to be dragged in front of the kangaroo courts at SU. I have been for something I wasn't even involved in. Being that he's an athlete, the students were looking to send a message.

 

[Trueblue25]

Lol theres no fair process in private schools. This is why I root for SU football and not the university itself. Won’t see a dime from me to send kids there.

Yes - there may be more to the story but the fact that teammates are speaking up/angry, and Dino let him play vs Minne tells me plenty.

If he truly got hit twice and then threw a punch in self defense, or to end the situation, it’s an embarrassment of an initial punishment.

Im sure I’ll hear more today.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I’m not surprised. The dean of students threatened to throw me out of school in 2005 because he accused my buddy of throwing snowballs at girls and he got his panties in a bunch because he had the wrong guy and I called him a liar. Par for the course for punishment up there since Nancy took over.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The article said he had a formal hearing with the university April 22 and says lawsuit claims the hearing board concluded Allen “escalated the situation rather than de-escalating it” and found that a two-semester suspension was appropriate.

Allen’s appeal was denied.

If Allen doesn't return to the party, there's no verbal confrontation with the other guy, and no punches thrown.

Maybe the student board thinks Allen should have gone home and called it a night?

Seems like we're missing a whole bunch of info here.

 

[NYCCuse826]

If Allen doesn't return to the party, there's no verbal confrontation with the other guy, and no punches thrown.

Maybe the student board thinks Allen should have gone home and called it a night?

Seems like we're missing a whole bunch of info here.

I think everyone is confused because the incident happened before the bowl game. When things get escalated to the Judiciary Board, the Department of Public Safety has been involved; I know from experience. It clearly wasn't bad enough for him to play. We've seen Dino suspend players before and he wouldn't have hesitated to do the same to Lequint over this.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Syracuse really makes me question why I still root for them. Problem with this is consistency. You can’t have a student board handing out punishment based on very broad language. I would find other cases and see if the punishment was consistent. If it’s not he has argument, in any event the whole thing is ridiculous. I don’t even know why I bother.

 

[dan7800]

NYS laws wouldn't apply here. For anyone who is a student, you don't want to be dragged in front of the kangaroo courts at SU. I have been for something I wasn't even involved in. Being that he's an athlete, the students were looking to send a message.

University courts are definitely Kangaroo. They do a lot of nonsensical things, but they’re the “decision”.

 

[sabach]

I have access to all of the court papers. It does not look to me like we are missing much of anything with regards to what happened. LaQuint punched a guy in the face and he lost a tooth and the back of his head was injured requiring stitches and staples. This was after the guy punched LaQuint twice. The guy didn't even show up at the hearing. SU did not consider self defense in this case because SU does not look at the conduct of others, only the conduct of the person being charged. It is hard to believe that SU actually uses that standard. The punishment was initially imposed by a single SU student whose decision was affirmed by the SU appeals board and then the Dean of Students. SU says the goal of the suspension is not to punish -but to be educational. Yet, they refuse to even consider self-defense or the actions of the other person. How can that possibly be educational. LaQuint has a chance here. There is room to find that this was arbitrary and capricious, which is the standard on an Article 78 proceeding.

 

[dan7800]

Syracuse really makes me question why I still root for them. Problem with this is consistency. You can’t have a student board handing out punishment based on very broad language. I would find other cases and see if the punishment was consistent. If it’s not he has argument, in any event the whole thing is ridiculous. I don’t even know why I bother.

What was the punishment process used? Who decided it? Was it the UA? Was it a student board?

 

[oldpinepoint]

I have access to all of the court papers. It does not look to me like we are missing much of anything with regards to what happened. LaQuint punched a guy in the face and he lost a tooth. This was after the guy punched LaQuint twice. The guy didn't even show up at the hearing. SU did not consider self defense in this case because SU does not look at the conduct of others, only the conduct of the person being charged. It is hard to believe that SU actually uses that standard. The punishment was imposed by a single SU student whose decision was affirmed by the SU appeals board and then the Dean of Students.

Absurd

 

[SUFan44]

I have access to all of the court papers. It does not look to me like we are missing much of anything with regards to what happened. LaQuint punched a guy in the face and he lost a tooth. This was after the guy punched LaQuint twice. The guy didn't even show up at the hearing. SU did not consider self defense in this case because SU does not look at the conduct of others, only the conduct of the person being charged. It is hard to believe that SU actually uses that standard. The punishment was imposed by a single SU student whose decision was affirmed by the SU appeals board and then the Dean of Students.

Is the other student getting punished the same? Why is it that the one high profile one has punishment but the other does not appear to have any?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I think some are over estimating Dino the disciplinarian with matters such as this. I think Dino is a bit more old school when it comes to on campus party dust ups. I do agree if someone on the team was to hit a woman they would be gone. Man on man? Don't see Dino doing much here on the front end

 

[oldpinepoint]

What was the punishment process used? Who decided it? Was it the UA? Was it a student board?

Exactly, too much power in one students judgment

 

[oldpinepoint]

I have access to all of the court papers. It does not look to me like we are missing much of anything with regards to what happened. LaQuint punched a guy in the face and he lost a tooth and the back of his head was injured requiring stitches and staples. This was after the guy punched LaQuint twice. The guy didn't even show up at the hearing. SU did not consider self defense in this case because SU does not look at the conduct of others, only the conduct of the person being charged. It is hard to believe that SU actually uses that standard. The punishment was imposed by a single SU student whose decision was affirmed by the SU appeals board and then the Dean of Students.

There are so many issues with this process I can’t even believe this is what SU uses.

 

[dan7800]

I have access to all of the court papers. It does not look to me like we are missing much of anything with regards to what happened. LaQuint punched a guy in the face and he lost a tooth. This was after the guy punched LaQuint twice. The guy didn't even show up at the hearing. SU did not consider self defense in this case because SU does not look at the conduct of others, only the conduct of the person being charged. It is hard to believe that SU actually uses that standard. The punishment was imposed by a single SU student whose decision was affirmed by the SU appeals board and then the Dean of Students.

If this is true, then the process was followed. Not sure how others could interject.

 

[Cuse12]

He should be suspended for a game or two sure. He should do community service? Yes. But are we serious? So all the students in cuse I’ve seen fight when I was on the hill should be kicked off campus is what they’re saying right? I never seen that happen.

All I gotta say, is a player from bama bball recently aided a MURDER. And was playing the next week and got drafted top 5. What ARE WE DOING.

 

[Trueblue25]

Lol compared to what Syracuse has let athletes get away with in the past 10 years this is laughable. Hope the powers that be get the spotlight turned on them one day.