LeQuint Allen is Back

[oldpinepoint]

If this is true, then the process was followed. Not sure how others could interject.

This whole thing makes no sense and I feel that athletes are held to higher standard. Is their racial undertones to this as well? This stinks, my biggest problem is it consistent. Does every student who throws a punch get suspended for 2 semesters then I’m ok. I’m not into arbitrary judgements from a 20 year old kid.

 

[dan7800]

University boards are so inconsistent and absurd. I could tell quite a few stories. You get 1-2 students on a power trip and the most out of touch people on the planet (professors) — well second most to politicians — and it’s a recipe for comically bad rulings.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Clown school

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

I have access to all of the court papers. It does not look to me like we are missing much of anything with regards to what happened. LaQuint punched a guy in the face and he lost a tooth and the back of his head was injured requiring stitches and staples. This was after the guy punched LaQuint twice. The guy didn't even show up at the hearing. SU did not consider self defense in this case because SU does not look at the conduct of others, only the conduct of the person being charged. It is hard to believe that SU actually uses that standard. The punishment was initially imposed by a single SU student whose decision was affirmed by the SU appeals board and then the Dean of Students. SU says the goal of the suspension is not to punish -but to be educational. Yet, they refuse to even consider self-defense or the actions of the other person. How can that possibly be educational. LaQuint has a chance here. There is room to find that this was arbitrary and capricious, which is the standard on an Article 78 proceeding.

The Four Questions that can be Raised in an Article 78 Proceeding
An article 78 proceeding describes when an individual (the petitioner) asks a state court to review a decision or action of a New York State body or officer. According to section 7803 of the New York Civil Practice Law and Rules, the only questions that may be raised in a proceeding under this article are:

1. whether the body or officer failed to perform a duty enjoined upon it by law; or
2. whether the body or officer proceeded, is proceeding or is about to proceed without or in excess of jurisdiction; or
3. whether a determination was made in violation of lawful procedure, was affected by an error of law or was arbitrary and capricious or an abuse of discretion, including abuse of discretion as to the measure or mode of penalty or discipline imposed; or
4. whether a determination made as a result of a hearing held, and at which evidence was taken, pursuant to direction by law is, on the entire record, supported by substantial evidence.

 

[JKinPhilly]

Bunch of snowflakes running campus. Ludicrous

 

[sabach]

Is the other student getting punished the same? Why is it that the one high profile one has punishment but the other does not appear to have any?

I'm looking into that. But the guy did change his story. Initially he said that another football player held him up while LaQuint punched him. The other football player was initially charged by SU but then proved he wasn't even there and the SU charges were dropped.

 

[Cuse181]

I'm looking into that. But the guy did change his story. Initially he said that another football player held him up while LaQuint punched him. The other football player was initially charged by SU but then proved he wasn't even there and the SU charges were dropped.

Kid sounds like a little bish

 

[NYCCuse826]

He should be suspended for a game or two sure. He should do community service? Yes. But are we serious? So all the students in cuse I’ve seen fight when I was on the hill should be kicked off campus is what they’re saying right? I never seen that happen.

All I gotta say, is a player from bama bball recently aided a MURDER. And was playing the next week and got drafted top 5. What ARE WE DOING.

The student that got his ass beat called DPS instead of licking his wounds and taking the L. That's the difference between this and other fights. As others have mentioned, you don't want to have a case in front of them. You can beg like Keith Sweat, but they've made their decision already. The other player who was accused was lucky to have proof that he wasn't there or he'd have been out for a year too. The SU administration wants to absolve themselves of responsibility so they let radical students run a process that can impact someone's life. No student volunteers to do something like this unless they have a kink for this.

 

[OburgOrange]

Clown show

 

[cuse309]

Assuming his version is accurate and he was struck first what was he supposed to do sit there and take it? A year suspension for this makes absolutely zero sense. Either there is way more info that hasn't come out or we've got some people with an agenda or far out there ideology on the disciplinary board. The information in the report is not adding up.

Ding ding ding...tell him what he's won!

 

[dan7800]

Is their racial undertones to this as well? This stinks, my biggest problem is it consistent. Does every student who throws a punch get suspended for 2 semesters then I’m ok. I’m not into arbitrary judgements from a 20 year old kid

To show how nonsensical most processes are:

At my school, If a student complains and challenges a professor’s grade it gets appealed to a group of profs who make their appeal decision on one person: The professor teaching the class.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Nothing gonna's change. LeQuint's SYR career is likely over. Gotta look at this like an injury.Tucker was 4th string behind Jordan, Howard and Abdul and got his first shot when Jordan got hurt and Howard and Abdul sat out because of Covid. Maybe it's the time for Price, the freshman Parkman or the transfer Hawkins to do the same. Gotta think positive.

 

[dan7800]

Ding ding ding...tell him what he's won!

Agreed.

 

[dan7800]

The complainant stated in his complaint that he went "looking for answers". LaQuint provided eyewitness testimony at the hearing that the complainant approached him and hit him twice before LaQuint punched him one time. The complainant did not even show up at the hearing and no evidence was produced against LaQuint other than his statements that he hit the guy. That is all SU needed apparently. SU said that nothing the other guy did mattered. All that matters is LaQuint admitted he hit the guy. Case over as far as SU is concerned. Absolutely incredible that SU has that standard.
To be fair “SU” is likely a few students and 2-3 out of touch profs, many of whom may have an agenda of their own.

 

[richmondcuse03]

That's what happened to me in college. Had a similar incident and had to go in front of the school “board” which consisted of fellow students. They heard the case and handed out a punishment (A very unfair one at that). Not saying I know that's the case here, but there how it's handled at a lot of schools

And the kids who volunteer / want these gigs…are often power hungry and not normal. I’ll leave it at that. I know some of them. They’re not people I’d consider friends. It’s bizarre.

This is ridic.

 

[OburgOrange]

Nothing gonna's change. LeQuint's SYR career is likely over. Gotta look at this like an injury.Tucker was 4th string behind Jordan, Howard and Abdul and got his first shot when Jordan got hurt and Howard and Abdul sat out because of Covid. Maybe it's the time for Price, the freshman Parkman or the transfer Hawkins to do the same. Gotta think positive.

 

[RF2044]

Have to imagine that there will be an injunction. Penalty seems harsher than what's being described. There also has to be an appeals process beyond what was outlined.

If Allen can't play, then Price gets first shot, but I wouldn't count out Daniels.

And it's a good thing we added that JUCO running back.

 

[dan7800]

And the kids who volunteer / want these gigs…are often power hungry and not normal. I’ll leave it at that. I know some of them. They’re not people I’d consider friends. It’s bizarre.

This is ridic.

The same for the faculty. They often have their own agendas that they want to push. Also, these types of administrative positions are often regulated to faculty who “do not excel” at other positrons, and therefore find themselves here. They have tenure and everyone needs responsibilities.

I wouldn’t blame “SU”, just a few folks from what I can surmise. We could all be wrong though.

There’s a process in place. How could the president/JW interject? It would look like athletes got special treatment.

 

[sabach]

There are a lot of papers I'm going through. According to LaQuint, the initial student review told him that they could not consider the actions of the other person, only LaQuint. The appeals board did mention self defense but stated that LaQuint chose to engage himself when he could have walked away and the extent of the injuries he caused is not consistent with self defense. That is going to be issue that SU focuses on. He could have walked away. So while the initial student review refused to consider self defense, the appeals review did consider it and ruled against LaQuint. That is different from what I previously stated.

According to LaQuint, he was told by the student in the informal resolution process and in the student review hearing that what the other guy did was of no consequence. It was only at the SU appeals level that self defense was ever mentioned by any SU representative. So LaQuint's attorneys are arguing that SU did not follow its procedures since self defense was not allowed to be raised at the first two levels of the case.

 

[CuseLegacy]

From the DO article...

"In the affidavit, Allen asked the judge to temporarily rescind the school’s ruling while the suit was pending so he could register for classes and remain eligible to play in the fall."

This is a problem. If he isn't currently enrolled and taking classes it effects his eligibility with the NCAA. Unless he is enrolled somewhere and taking courses he won't be playing anywhere.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Clown school

My first thought is that I feel bad for alumni of SU, but then I got thinking about some very poor decisions my alma mater, Oswego, has made in the last few years. Without crossing the politics line, unfortunately it seems to be the way of thinking in higher education in certain areas of the country. It's sad what parts of this country has evolved into.

 

[JRHEETER]

…so Syracuse, if being left is accurate should be using restorative justice…

You have a conference with all parties involved and come up with a punishment that everyone feels is appropriate.

It sounds like to me, that’s what Lequint did…however, it sounds like Syracuse said nope we don’t care that’s not how this is working…

It’s really sad because you can tell by Lequint proposed disciplinary action that he knows he did wrong and deserves to have a punishment…..

It’s not just that he was suspended, he was academically suspended which means he will become ineligible if he can’t register for classes.

The judge did the injunction to allow him to register for classes, but if this doesn’t get turned over, he will have to withdrawal from those classes and will no longer be eligible

This is an absolute nightmare for Syracuse.

 

[JRHEETER]

From the DO article...

"In the affidavit, Allen asked the judge to temporarily rescind the school’s ruling while the suit was pending so he could register for classes and remain eligible to play in the fall."

This is a problem. If he isn't currently enrolled and taking classes it effects his eligibility with the NCAA. Unless he is enrolled somewhere and taking courses he won't be playing anywhere.

Correct, which is the LARGEST problem

 

[RF2044]

From the DO article...

"In the affidavit, Allen asked the judge to temporarily rescind the school’s ruling while the suit was pending so he could register for classes and remain eligible to play in the fall."

This is a problem. If he isn't currently enrolled and taking classes it effects his eligibility with the NCAA. Unless he is enrolled somewhere and taking courses he won't be playing anywhere.

I don't think that's the case. It would be considered a suspension, and then he'd be eligible to return once it was over. It wouldn't permanently render him ineligible due to temporary lack of academic progress.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

There has to be a ton more to this story. That said, there was a factor that immediately jumped out at me that would not help Allen's case, and I will let it go at that.

I have to say that whomever is funneling NIL $$$ to him has to be "thrilled" with this development, and for several reasons...