LeQuint Allen is Back

[JRHEETER]

I don't think that's the case. It would be considered a suspension, and then he'd be eligible to return once it was over. It wouldn't permanently render him ineligible due to temporary lack of academic progress.

No he’s been suspended academically

Not a team suspension

 

[RF2044]

No he’s been suspended academically

Not a team suspension

No, it was a disciplinary suspension -- not an academic one [i.e. for subpar grades].

 

[Willy75]

The complainant stated in his complaint that he went "looking for answers". LaQuint provided eyewitness testimony at the hearing that the complainant approached him and hit him twice before LaQuint punched him one time. The complainant did not even show up at the hearing and no evidence was produced against LaQuint other than his statements that he hit the guy. That is all SU needed apparently. SU said that nothing the other guy did mattered. All that matters is LaQuint admitted he hit the guy. Case over as far as SU is concerned. Absolutely incredible that SU has that standard.
To be fair “SU” is likely a few students and 2-3 out of touch profs, many of whom may have an agenda of their own.

Isn’t this why SU has a Chancellor who makes big bucks? Someone who can act like the adult in the room?

 

[dan7800]

Isn’t this why SU has a Chancellor who makes big bucks? Someone who can act like the adult in the room?

Does the Chancellor typically get involved in cases like this? Right or wrong, the process was followed. Idk if they have the authority to even overrule something like this. They don’t have god powers on a campus.

 

[JRHEETER]

No, it was a disciplinary suspension -- not an academic one [i.e. for subpar grades].

Right but he was suspended academically. Meaning he can’t register for classes

This isn’t a suspension from the team. That’s why he participated in spring ball and the spring game

 

[Trueblue25]

The complainant stated in his complaint that he went "looking for answers". LaQuint provided eyewitness testimony at the hearing that the complainant approached him and hit him twice before LaQuint punched him one time. The complainant did not even show up at the hearing and no evidence was produced against LaQuint other than his statements that he hit the guy. That is all SU needed apparently. SU said that nothing the other guy did mattered. All that matters is LaQuint admitted he hit the guy. Case over as far as SU is concerned. Absolutely incredible that SU has that standard.
To be fair “SU” is likely a few students and 2-3 out of touch profs, many of whom may have an agenda of their own.

Doesn’t matter - its now a reflection of the University

 

[Willy75]

Does the Chancellor typically get involved in cases like this? Right or wrong, the process was followed. Idk if they have the authority to even overrule something like this. They don’t have god powers on a campus.

I believe it was the Chancellor who decided to ban that fraternity several years ago. At the least he could have the Dean of Students reconsider his decision on the appeal.
Btw my recollection is that some of the fraternity members sought and got judicial relief in their individual cases.

 

[shu 49]

This is asinine! The school shouldn't take advantage of its weaker standards of proof to penalize this kid. The State determined it was a weak case, and the kid took responsibility for his actions. Make him pick up litter on Salina Street and cut him some slack.

Not only that he was hit 2x first. This should have never seen the light of day.

 

[JRHEETER]

How the heck the kid who got punched can not show up to the disciplinary meeting and not provide evidence and have Lequint still get suspended for two semester is absolutely insane…

This is disgusting

 

[JRHEETER]

Just as a reminder, Lequint was the the player who stayed at the spring game until the very very very end signing autographs for the young kids with Dino……..

 

[Newhouser]

SU has a warped since of what they are academically and athletically. I personally don't think the school is committed to athletics and do just enough to show their peer programs that they are in it to win it with lipstick on a pig enhancements. Academically, US News & World report has 60% of our applicants getting accepted, that's closer to safety school material than first choice.

If I was an athlete or a student or both - I'd be looking hard at some options.

 

[dan7800]

I believe it was the Chancellor who decided to ban that fraternity several years ago. At the least he could have the Dean of Students reconsider his decision on the appeal.
Btw my recollection is that some of the fraternity members sought and got judicial relief in their individual cases.

Maybe he did ask the dean and the dean just said no. Maybe the chancellor doesn’t have control in matters like this. How would it look if the chancellor did act on a players behalf, undermining the punishment process set in place by faculty, administrators and students?

A lot more messed up rulings happen on campuses each day that don’t come to light because the student isn’t an athlete.

 

[sabach]

How the heck the kid who got punched can not show up to the disciplinary meeting and not provide evidence and have Lequint still get suspended for two semester is absolutely insane…

This is disgusting

What's worse is that his initial claim was the LaQuint held him while another SU football player punched him. Then it was shown that the other SU player was not even there. However, LaQuint admitted he punched him so they used LaQuint's statement against him. Now I am reading that the guy was involved in other fights that night and so LaQunit may not have even caused the injuries. The complainant never stated in the record that LaQuint was actually the guy that caused his tooth to come out and his head injuries. So SU basically just assumed that LaQuint did it and went from there.

 

[shu 49]

His lawsuit will squash all this. I’m sure Dino is on his side. This should be gone shortly. Let Allen play.

 

[Nick44]

Why is it always one of our best players that gets caught in this crap and not a 4th stringer? Allen, Delone, Malcolm Cater, Mike Williams etc.

 

[UpstateSM]

I can only imagine the kind of kid that wants to be the student that hands out punishment… bullying isn’t all bad

 

[oldpinepoint]

IMO University needs to be careful and think about how athletes are punished, while they are students they are certainly different especially with NIL. Now you are talking about livelihoods and big bucks. You also need to think about motives here too

 

[dan7800]

What's worse is that his initial claim was the LaQuint held him while another SU football player punched him. Then it was shown that the other SU player was not even there.

yea, that would have ended the hearing real fast for me.

 

[richmondcuse03]

If this is true, then the process was followed. Not sure how others could interject.

My guess is the lawsuit is in part a push to embarrass the school and get them to reconsider Vs to win an actual legal argument. And frankly, it’s a smart PR move. I wonder if the ADs office is secretly helping.

 

[money3189]

I have access to all of the court papers. It does not look to me like we are missing much of anything with regards to what happened. LaQuint punched a guy in the face and he lost a tooth and the back of his head was injured requiring stitches and staples. This was after the guy punched LaQuint twice. The guy didn't even show up at the hearing. SU did not consider self defense in this case because SU does not look at the conduct of others, only the conduct of the person being charged. It is hard to believe that SU actually uses that standard. The punishment was initially imposed by a single SU student whose decision was affirmed by the SU appeals board and then the Dean of Students. SU says the goal of the suspension is not to punish -but to be educational. Yet, they refuse to even consider self-defense or the actions of the other person. How can that possibly be educational. LaQuint has a chance here. There is room to find that this was arbitrary and capricious, which is the standard on an Article 78 proceeding.

So you can be a modeled student and citizen but you are out of conduct if you defend yourself from someone trying to assault you. Smh

 

[JRHEETER]

So you can be a modeled student and citizen but you are out of conduct if you defend yourself from someone trying to assault you. Smh

If he hasn’t have admitted he punched him…nothing probably happens to Lequint

Not a great message to send

 

[OrangeXtreme]

So you can be a modeled student and citizen but you are out of conduct if you defend yourself from someone trying to assault you. Smh

Suppose Allen walked in on a female student being sexually assaulted.

Is he just supposed to turn his back and walk away?

Because if he intervenes, and the creep gets injured, Allen can get kicked out of school for a year.

Is that the lesson SU is trying to teach?

 

[richmondcuse03]

Suppose Allen walked in on a female student being sexually assaulted.

Is he just supposed to turn his back and walk away?

Because if he intervenes, and the creep gets injured, Allen can get kicked out of school for a year.

Is that the lesson SU is trying to teach?

Agree. That can’t be the standard. It’s asinine. I’m admittedly a very progressive person but these standards are idiotic. There are extenuating circumstances. It’s not like he drew a gun. He defended himself. Most humans would respond that way. What if the student taunted him with a racial slur? Is he supposed to just walk away too?

 

[orange79]

Suppose Allen walked in on a female student being sexually assaulted.

Is he just supposed to turn his back and walk away?

Because if he intervenes, and the creep gets injured, Allen can get kicked out of school for a year.

Is that the lesson SU is trying to teach?

 

[cusefan88]

Can SU come back to the table and issue a new punishment? Say a two-game suspension and that's it?

Dino has a lot of rules and has let players go for less. The fact that this was secret and Dino didn't do anything tells me all I need to know about his take on this