Lester on his Offense

[Alsacs]

TheCusian have you heard the saying fool me once shame on you but fool me twice shame on me? I mean if SU FB had the last 15 years that say even freaking Boston College had I could understand having faith. Outside of 2012 we have been poor offensively and the examples listed are PRO teams. Our offense is not going to look anything like a pro offense. Lester is better off saying the USC offense under Norm Chow, Notre Dame offense under Charlie Weis those are really the best examples of pro offenses working in college football.

 

[TheCusian]

West Coast offense means 5 yard passes, great. Guess we know how much better hunts passing game got

They talked about stretching the field in the interview quite a bit.

 

[Alsacs]

The Shanahan/Kubiak bootleg offense won't work in college football unless you have a strong armed accurate QB who can bootleg. You need an X receiver with speed like Rod Smith, Andre Johnson, Torrey Smith, then you need an OL which can cut block. RBs don't matter as the system churned out tons of 1000 yd rushers in the NFL. I think we have the TEs to for the system, but still.

If Lester is envisioning this type of offense in college football I am legitimately worried.

 

[TheCusian]

The Shanahan/Kubiak bootleg offense won't work in college football unless you have a strong armed accurate QB who can bootleg. You need an X receiver with speed like Rod Smith, Andre Johnson, Torrey Smith, then you need an OL which can cut block. RBs don't matter as the system churned out tons of 1000 yd rushers in the NFL. I think we have the TEs to for the system, but still. If Lester is envisioning this type of offense in college football I am legitimately worried.

Have you listened to the interview? It's on ESPN CNY audio vault.

Didn't say bootleg once in the interview and I don't remember seeing any in the spring game. I think he was saying the running game is a zone scheme like Shanahan and Kubiak. The passing game was a west coast like system (like the bases of most modern offenses).

I liked the idea of his super-back or hybrid role. Phillips will be getting the ball a lot. And that's a good thing.

 

[Alsacs]

I just don't like hearing Shanahan/Kubiak/Carroll offenses. The Walsh offense is the West Coast offense.
Shanahan/Kubiak run the system I described. zone blocking OL, bootleg QB, stretch runs, and receivers who can go deep and clear the underneath for the 2nd WR, TEs.

Carroll offense is the power run game(this is NOT A ZONE BLOCKING scheme) with zone read abilities with the QB. Seattle didn't have much a passing game except to just chuck it up and make some plays. With Jimmy Graham at TE this year they should make some plays in the middle of the field.

Walsh offense is pure West Coast offense. A lot of 1 back formations, and short passing routes.

 

[TheCusian]

I just don't like hearing Shanahan/Kubiak/Carroll offenses. The Walsh offense is the West Coast offense. Shanahan/Kubiak run the system I described. zone blocking OL, bootleg QB, stretch runs, and receivers who can go deep and clear the underneath for the 2nd WR, TEs. Carroll offense is the power run game(this is NOT A ZONE BLOCKING scheme) with zone read abilities with the QB. Seattle didn't have much a passing game except to just chuck it up and make some plays. With Jimmy Graham at TE this year they should make some plays in the middle of the field. Walsh offense is pure West Coast offense. A lot of 1 back formations, and short passing routes.

Right. He said it's a combination of those things.

 

[Crusty]

The Shanahan/Kubiak bootleg offense won't work in college football unless you have a strong armed accurate QB who can bootleg. You need an X receiver with speed like Rod Smith, Andre Johnson, Torrey Smith, then you need an OL which can cut block. RBs don't matter as the system churned out tons of 1000 yd rushers in the NFL. I think we have the TEs to for the system, but still.

If Lester is envisioning this type of offense in college football I am legitimately worried.

Rich Rod's offense is very much like Shanahan's and it works just fine.
The key is how good your OL is at zone blocking. The whole concept is horizontal not vertical. It isn't necessary to have the best vertical threats - just enough to keep them honest. Hunt will be good in this type of simple offense.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

why is it so hard for SU to just do what other schools do and score points?

I... well, because... so, see... uh...

I got nothin'.

 

[TheCusian]

I... well, because... so, see... uh... I got nothin'.

So all other schools run the spread or Leach system?

 

[Crusty]

Have you listened to the interview? It's on ESPN CNY audio vault.

Didn't say bootleg once in the interview and I don't remember seeing any in the spring game. I think he was saying the running game is a zone scheme like Shanahan and Kubiak. The passing game was a west coast like system (like the bases of most modern offenses).

I liked the idea of his super-back or hybrid role. Phillips will be getting the ball a lot. And that's a good thing.

True, but this type of offense will have a lot of bootlegs and stretch plays.

 

[Alsacs]

Rich Rod's offense is very much like Shanahan's and it works just fine.
The key is how good your OL is at zone blocking. The whole concept is horizontal not vertical. It isn't necessary to have the best vertical threats - just enough to keep them honest. Hunt will be good in this type of simple offense.

I trust your analysis. I just don't see that type of system with Rich-Rod. I haven't seen Rich-Rod run the bootleg on play action with his QBs or stretch runs to his RBs.

I see Rich-Rod as a spread offense guy. With his QB always in shotgun and able to be mobile and dual threat. His RBs are usually one power guy and one speed guy. His WRs are usually speed guys. I don't see Kubiak's offense in Rich-Rod.

I know pro offenses a lot more than college though.

 

[Alsacs]

So all other schools run the spread or Leach system?

There are many versions of the spread offense.
Leach has the air raid.
Joe Tiller ex-Purdue coach ran a proish type. QB in shotgun but having slot WRs and deep threats. This system needed NFL QBs which he had with Brees and Orton and then started sucking.
Rich Rod runs a run based spread offense. Where he has a dual threat QB and uses the perimeter with speed but has a speed WR which can run slants, and deep routes if your defense crash.

Leach system is very rare.

 

[Marroniac]

This sounds kind of confusing for what was described as a "simple" offense. I say this as a Lester apologist.

 

[Alsacs]

To be honest our 2012 offense is kinda like the Joe Tiller spread offense at Purdue. Nassib was the college Drew Brees/Kyle Orton type QB and he had weapons to pass to get the ball too and a nice RB core to churn yards.

 

[Millhouse]

All about execution and limiting mistakes. We'll be fine.

BORING

 

[upperdeck]

when we get to the point that our guy with the ball can make 1 guy miss in space the offense will start to work.. whether we have any of those guys on the roster is yet to be seen. it might be nice if occasionally we could out run guys instead of needing 20 yd wide holes to score but i dont see that happening either.

the only guy we have who can make yds would seem to be Hunt. someday we will have a RB who can do that again. the last WR who could do it might have been kevin johnson

 

[RMH44]

I... well, because... so, see... uh...

I got nothin'.

Par for the course.

 

[Scooch]

I hope whatever he implements works and we score a ton of points.

I'm not going to obsess over ANY comments the coaches make because it's all offseason huckleberry happy talk.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Par for the course.

I was hoping you'd enjoy that.

 

[Millhouse]

Just execute. Know the plays - make sure each player knows his role and just plain execute. Don't worry about number of plays or the time between snaps. Just execute.

scheme matters. We need to take from modern college offenses, not from thirty year old pro offenses

 

[Rocco]

BORING

He's with people like you. Flea flickers, statue of liberty's and fake snaps all game, beb.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So all other schools run the spread or Leach system?

Someone, might have been Millhouse, did a post a while back that showed that all of the best offenses came from the same coaching tree, so... there might be something to it.

 

[Millhouse]

I hope whatever he implements works and we score a ton of points. I'm not going to obsess over ANY comments the coaches make because it's all offseason huckleberry happy talk.

Isn't it alarming that his happy talk reminds us of the worst offense ever at SU?

 

[Whitey23]

I hope he can teach whatever it is better then he can describe it in the press.

Who can forget this from November:

"I've had people tell me it's spread," Lester said. "I've had people tell me it's 12 personnel. I've had people tell me it's 20 personnel."

"It'll be multiple. That's one thing I know it will be."

Said Lester: "It has to be able to go where it needs to go depending on what you're playing. The great thing is the guys think it's all one offense, but it really can be a lot of things."

 

[TheCusian]

Isn't it alarming that his happy talk reminds us of the worst offense ever at SU?

I'll give you that. His examples do being up bad memories. But:

1. I'm pretty sure he wasn't caring about what our OC was saying 10 years ago. He probably thought those examples would be helpful for the radio guys to understand what he was talking about.

2. When you list off all of those offenses and and say it's a little bit of all of them - it's a bit like saying lets go out for American food. Could mean anything. It's a wide net. I've heard him say it's "spread-like" too. So who knows?