Let’s talk Kadary!

[Wrinkle]

If UNC needs a point guard and Roy will promise to play him 30, what do you think Kadary does? He’ll never play 30 minutes a game here until Joe leaves.

I really don't know, I don't know Kadary. But for the love of God, please start Kadary

 

[Briancuse]

If UNC needs a point guard and Roy will promise to play him 30, what do you think Kadary does? He’ll never play 30 minutes a game here until Joe leaves.

We could block him from going to UNC.

 

[two3zone]

We could block him from going to UNC.

Pretty sure they can go wherever now.

 

[Briancuse]

Pretty sure they can go wherever now.

I thought the school could still block them from going within the conference.

 

[Cusesky8214]

People keep talking about minutes like a broken record. Its been shared that there is more to it then the minutes Kadary was/wasn't getting. (Although I'm sure minutes are still going to be a major factor in his decision.)

 

[Cuseball]

If UNC needs a point guard and Roy will promise to play him 30, what do you think Kadary does? He’ll never play 30 minutes a game here until Joe leaves.

This example can be used for pretty much all players in the country who averaged less than 25 minutes a game. Heck the whole FSU team would be at risk of transferring. If Kadary left for that reason we hit the portal and do the same. Want to keep him but you can’t go promising players all 30 plus minute roles. If they are good they earn the time and Jimmy has shown he Will play you heavy minutes.

cuse

 

[kcsu]

If I told you in August he would get 21 mpg. How would you feel?

Whats not good is would he have even played that much if Buddy hadn't had Covid?

 

[GoSU96]

kadary ain't taking any of buddy's pre designated 38 minutes so he knows he's basically splitting time with joe. this year joe averaged 28 mpg and kadary 21. given JB's predilection for rolling with his loyals he's looking at best around 20 minutes a game again give or take. if he's cool with that great. of course things might change but with JB they rarely do.

you’re back, why?

 

[SUfanNC]

You have waffled from your original post that started all of this. Should have said nothing got people all riled up and worried. Again I will ask you are We Pittsburgh? Finishing bottom of the conference and losing multiple guys in season leaving. No we made the tournament and had a great run to the sweet 16.

Hes not going anywhere he was essentially getting crunch time minutes in the tournament and most of the season as Girard struggled. Woody being unhappy and his roommate if he let's another person's issues influence his decision then he isnt very smart.

Cuserunnerofgums

 

[Cusefan69]

People keep talking about minutes like a broken record. Its been shared that there is more to it then the minutes Kadary was/wasn't getting. (Although I'm sure minutes are still going to be a major factor in his decision.)

Yep...board source said it didn’t have to do with pt to his understanding. If ultimately it’s not a playing time issue, then it may be outside of the coaching staffs control. In which case...wish him well and move on to the portal.

 

[Orangefan1]

And Kadary was a 4 star behind a guy who had one of the most inefficient seasons in the NCAA and showed he should play more.

ya know it really bothers me how people forget the fact that Girard had covid and bad asthma as if that wasn’t a factor at all in his performance this year

 

[two3zone]

ya know it really bothers me how people forget the fact that Girard had covid and bad asthma as if that wasn’t a factor at all in his performance this year

What about the year before?

 

[Gotothehole]

ya know it really bothers me how people forget the fact that Girard had covid and bad asthma as if that wasn’t a factor at all in his performance this year

What ? He has one skill set. We need athleticism and length

 

[Orangefan1]

What about the year before?

he was really good his freshman year I don’t understand what you expect from a kid with such huge expectations as a NY kid

 

[two3zone]

he was really good his freshman year I don’t understand what you expect from a kid with such huge expectations as a NY kid

One of the most inefficient seasons for any starter in the NCAA last year.

 

[dasher]

You have waffled from your original post that started all of this. Should have said nothing got people all riled up and worried. Again I will ask you are We Pittsburgh? Finishing bottom of the conference and losing multiple guys in season leaving. No we made the tournament and had a great run to the sweet 16.

Hes not going anywhere he was essentially getting crunch time minutes in the tournament and most of the season as Girard struggled. Woody being unhappy and his roommate if he let's another person's issues influence his decision then he isnt

lol Somewhere the great Judy Collins is singing send in the clowns. Don't bother, he is here.

 

[OrangeinDC]

I think it’s more about him not even getting a chance. It was preordained that he wouldn’t play this year.

I get not having plans for a freshman to play if he's not a top recruit. I followed Woody's recruiting and expected him to redshirt this season and not play for a year or two. BUT, when the kid got a chance to play and showed what he could do... any preordained stuff should be thrown out the window.

PS... how you doing man! Just realized this was you!

 

[pokercuse08]

Yep...board source said it didn’t have to do with pt to his understanding. If ultimately it’s not a playing time issue, then it may be outside of the coaching staffs control. In which case...wish him well and move on to the portal.

At some point we've got to do more than wish guys well and move onto the portal, or we're going to keep losing guys who could be major contributors.

 

[pokercuse08]

ya know it really bothers me how people forget the fact that Girard had covid and bad asthma as if that wasn’t a factor at all in his performance this year

That's one issue, Girard not being a true point guard is another issue, which is more important in this context.

 

[kcsu]

Yep...board source said it didn’t have to do with pt to his understanding. If ultimately it’s not a playing time issue, then it may be outside of the coaching staffs control. In which case...wish him well and move on to the portal.

Saying its not PT is a pretty handy excuse dont you think.

 

[Cusefan69]

At some point we've got to do more than wish guys well and move onto the portal, or we're going to keep losing guys who could be major contributors.

I don’t disagree but there are some things you can’t control as the current out of control portal would suggest. For example what if Kadary had no playing time issue per se but he has a family member sick and wants to be really close to home. Is that the staffs fault? Obviously no. Kadary if I recall correctly never visited before signing. What if he got here and just thought the winters and school just suck. To cold. Again is that something that the staff can change? Again no. There could be things that the staff can influence and I would guess they are “aware enough “ of those things to influence if they can. Lastly as a fan I just don’t take it personally if a player leaves...thats why I say wish them well and move on.

 

[djcon57]

I don’t disagree but there are some things you can’t control as the current out of control portal would suggest. For example what if Kadary had no playing time issue per se but he has a family member sick and wants to be really close to home. Is that the staffs fault? Obviously no. Kadary if I recall correctly never visited before signing. What if he got here and just thought the winters and school just suck. To cold. Again is that something that the staff can change? Again no. There could be things that the staff can influence and I would guess they are “aware enough “ of those things to influence if they can. Lastly as a fan I just don’t take it personally if a player leaves...thats why I say wish them well and move on.

he’s from Brooklyn. I would assume hes used to cold.

(I get your point though)

 

[pokercuse08]

I don’t disagree but there are some things you can’t control as the current out of control portal would suggest. For example what if Kadary had no playing time issue per se but he has a family member sick and wants to be really close to home. Is that the staffs fault? Obviously no. Kadary if I recall correctly never visited before signing. What if he got here and just thought the winters and school just suck. To cold. Again is that something that the staff can change? Again no. There could be things that the staff can influence and I would guess they are “aware enough “ of those things to influence if they can. Lastly as a fan I just don’t take it personally if a player leaves...thats why I say wish them well and move on.

I agree with all of that, and maybe if Kadary leaves it was totally out of their control, but maybe not. Hard for us to say right now, but if we're losing a high quality point guard who should be starting and playing 30+ minutes for any reason related to coaching/staff/facilities/etc, it's something we need to re-evaluate.

We tend to lose guys early more often than we feel we should, whether it's to the professional ranks or via transfer. I'm sure a decent number of those situations are stuff like family reasons, the cold, etc, but it's possible, if not likely, some are related to the 2-3 zone, Boeheim's general disposition, etc... So if this becomes an issue repeatedly, we have to evaluate that as a program and decide what's in the best interest of the program.

I will say that if I had the talent to be a starting point guard on like 30 of the top 40 programs, or 20 of the top 40 programs, or whatever that number is for Kadary next year, I might not be real keen on having Jim Boeheim screaming at me too much, trashing me to the press, or risking being his short hook victim next year. Or maybe I just want to go somewhere where I can spend more practice time on offense or man-to-man, both of which will help me more in the NBA.

Or maybe it's just family reasons or weather. I dunno. My point is just that if this happens over and over, the school/coaches need to evaluate the situation.

 

[kcsu]

Where is Julie when we need her. Actually why wasn't she at the tournament?

 

[Eagles20]

I agree with all of that, and maybe if Kadary leaves it was totally out of their control, but maybe not. Hard for us to say right now, but if we're losing a high quality point guard who should be starting and playing 30+ minutes for any reason related to coaching/staff/facilities/etc, it's something we need to re-evaluate.

We tend to lose guys early more often than we feel we should, whether it's to the professional ranks or via transfer. I'm sure a decent number of those situations are stuff like family reasons, the cold, etc, but it's possible, if not likely, some are related to the 2-3 zone, Boeheim's general disposition, etc... So if this becomes an issue repeatedly, we have to evaluate that as a program and decide what's in the best interest of the program.

I will say that if I had the talent to be a starting point guard on like 30 of the top 40 programs, or 20 of the top 40 programs, or whatever that number is for Kadary next year, I might not be real keen on having Jim Boeheim screaming at me too much, trashing me to the press, or risking being his short hook victim next year. Or maybe I just want to go somewhere where I can spend more practice time on offense or man-to-man, both of which will help me more in the NBA.

Or maybe it's just family reasons or weather. I dunno. My point is just that if this happens over and over, the school/coaches need to evaluate the situation.

People have no idea what coaches deal with on a daily basis. So many issues are not related to them directly when it comes to college athletes. Not every athlete that leaves is directly linked to the coach. Where I work we had a high level athlete in a sport leave for issues that had nothing to do with the team or coach.