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Looks like we could Doug Marrone as the next Tennessee Titans HC

KaiserUEO said:
yes, really.

but enlighten me.

i clearly was speculating based on his reputation of not being that friendly, being very football focused, a football 1st guy, 1 who thinks of himself as this great winning coach...when in reality he hasnt won jackshlit, one who clashed immedietly with his boss at buffalo and orchestrating his exit out of 1 of the 32 most coveted jobs in his profession and now you say im wrong in thinking he will be all happy happy joy joy with a career baseball guy who was just the mets vp of player development who would then his chief strategy officer??

ok.
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Marrone is very pro analytics and would probably see it as a great thing to have someone in the front office who wrote the book on their use. His biggest issue in Buffalo was the old guard doing things the old way, not new ways of approaching running a club.

As far as what he's done and hasn't done, the guy has proven that he can turn around a bad program quickly. He had a winning season in Buffalo in his second year as an NFL HC after being out of the league for four years, at a place that hadn't had a winning season in 10 years. He was 21-17 at SU his last three years after inheriting a 10-37 program from Robinson.

He had a winning season at SU faster than Harbaugh at Stanford or Briles at Baylor.
 
KaiserUEO said:
youve never been to a bar and discussed sports have you???
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So isn't the Marrone narrative a pretty simple one, ultimately? Pretty good football coach who isn't the nicest guy? I mean, still being upset with him and calling him dougie and stuff just seems really petty to me. He called SU a dream job then realized it kind of sucked in some ways and moved on. What happened in buffalo is more confusing but, again, I really don't think wasting much time being angry about it is worthwhile.

Lastly, apropos of nothing, there is no bigger pet peeve I have than traveling for work and eating something at the hotel bar while reading or doing my crossword and then having a perfect stranger not pick up on those hints and instead start impressing me with his knowledge of whatever game is on the tv at the bar. Drives me insane. I use ralphie's line from "A Christmas Story", 'Uh, don't bother me. I'm thinking.'
 
GoSU96 said:
Marrone is very pro analytics... .
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I thought that when he was hired at SU, especially when he spoke at length about tempo and play count. But as time went on I didn't see a ton of evidence that he actually acted on data. Now, I am 100% willing to admit that I have 0% of a clue on how he used data to game plan, recruit, etc. So I'm not saying he didn't use data in an advanced way. Just that it was never immediately apparent to me that he did.

Sooo... I'm curious if there are examples of how he's "pro analytics"?
 
billsin01 said:
So isn't the Marrone narrative a pretty simple one, ultimately? Pretty good football coach who isn't the nicest guy? I mean, still being upset with him and calling him dougie and stuff just seems really petty to me. He called SU a dream job then realized it kind of sucked in some ways and moved on. What happened in buffalo is more confusing but, again, I really don't think wasting much time being angry about it is worthwhile.

Lastly, apropos of nothing, there is no bigger pet peeve I have than traveling for work and eating something at the hotel bar while reading or doing my crossword and then having a perfect stranger not pick up on those hints and instead start impressing me with his knowledge of whatever game is on the tv at the bar. Drives me insane. I use ralphie's line from "A Christmas Story", 'Uh, don't bother me. I'm thinking.'
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im not upset with him for leaving Syracuse, he went to the NFL for crying out loud.

im not angry with him for leaving the bills, could care less. but clearly by leaving...he became a quitter.

apparently, that drives people nuts here.

dont know why, i mean...hes a quitter. dem da facts.

totally agree with your 2nd paragraph, that drives me nuts too. if people want to talk, then find the people who want to talk. if im reading my paper, downing a guiness with some grub, leave me the alone.
 
Scooch said:
I thought that when he was hired at SU, especially when he spoke at length about tempo and play count. But as time went on I didn't see a ton of evidence that he actually acted on data. Now, I am 100% willing to admit that I have 0% of a clue on how he used data to game plan, recruit, etc. So I'm not saying he didn't use data in an advanced way. Just that it was never immediately apparent to me that he did.

Sooo... I'm curious if there are examples of how he's "pro analytics"?
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His recruiting system had a lot of numbers and wasn't completely next level analytics but it was a first step towards it.
 
GoSU96 said:
Marrone is very pro analytics and would probably see it as a great thing to have someone in the front office who wrote the book on their use. His biggest issue in Buffalo was the old guard doing things the old way, not new ways of approaching running a club.

As far as what he's done and hasn't done, the guy has proven that he can turn around a bad program quickly. He had a winning season in Buffalo in his second year as an NFL HC after being out of the league for four years, at a place that hadn't had a winning season in 10 years. He was 21-17 at SU his last three years after inheriting a 10-37 program from Robinson.

He had a winning season at SU faster than Harbaugh at Stanford or Briles at Baylor.
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Enough with the winning season in Buffalo garbage. That was an 8-8 team, just like this year's team. Beating the Patriots second and third string was not an accomplishment.
 
shandeezy7 said:
Enough with the winning season in Buffalo garbage. That was an 8-8 team, just like this year's team. Beating the Patriots second and third string was not an accomplishment.
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So now it's a loss?

Remarkable the level of deconstruction resorted to attack the guy.
 
Chip said:
Not much different than the level of deconstruction directed at the programs he coached in order to prop up the guy.
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Yes, his record was 9-7. How dare someone de-construct that to claim he had 9 wins!
 
GoSU96 said:
Why?
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Who the $%&# does this Harvard nerd baseball guy think he is telling me when I shouldn't punt?

Followed by my default assumption that Marrone struggles to get along with other people in general.
 
bnoro said:
His recruiting system had a lot of numbers and wasn't completely next level analytics but it was a first step towards it.
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I think that's a pretty interesting example actually, but I'm not sure it has an easy case for support. At best Marrone's recruiting built depth in the program, at worst it completely failed at landing high end talent. I realize you're talking more about the evaluation side though, so maybe the analytics application was good there.

On the other hand, we passed on Melvin Gordon as an anecdotal example. I think these cases are hard to make. Whenever a coach is supposedly into analytics or somewhat dismissive of them, I'm always curious what that means in terms of the day to day management and broader vision of that team and where those inclinations really show up.
 
GoSU96 said:
So now it's a loss?

Remarkable the level of deconstruction resorted to attack the guy.
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And it's remarkable to me the list of "accomplishments" people resort to in order to prop the guy up.
 
shandeezy7 said:
And it's remarkable to me the list of "accomplishments" people resort to in order to prop the guy up.
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If he had stayed with the Bills there'd be a lot of Doug lovey dovey going on here from those who now feel jilted.
 
xc84 said:
If he had stayed with the Bills there'd be a lot of Doug lovey dovey going on here from those who now feel jilted.
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You mean, as a Bills fan, if he hadn't quit on the Bills then I'd still like him?

That's just insane!
 
xc84 said:
If he had stayed with the Bills there'd be a lot of Doug lovey dovey going on here from those who now feel jilted.
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Possibly, but yet again, he didn't give a fanbase the chance to do that, because he left another job unfinished.
 
so the OP of this thread was marrone getting the tennessee gig.

hes not even interviewing there.

then we switched to new orleans...payton is staying.

so all hes got is the Giants...HA!

the dolphins...longshot.

or the browns...barely an NFL team.

lets see kids...
 
shandeezy7 said:
And it's remarkable to me the list of "accomplishments" people resort to in order to prop the guy up.
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You got a list of coaches who have had winning seasons in their second years immediately at two place with 10 year records like Syracuse and Buffalo.

I'll give you a start, Harbaugh.

Next.
 
Scooch said:
I thought that when he was hired at SU, especially when he spoke at length about tempo and play count. But as time went on I didn't see a ton of evidence that he actually acted on data. Now, I am 100% willing to admit that I have 0% of a clue on how he used data to game plan, recruit, etc. So I'm not saying he didn't use data in an advanced way. Just that it was never immediately apparent to me that he did.

Sooo... I'm curious if there are examples of how he's "pro analytics"?
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IMHO HCDM and his staff were great at game planning.
 
KaiserUEO said:
im not upset with him for leaving Syracuse, he went to the NFL for crying out loud.

im not angry with him for leaving the bills, could care less. but clearly by leaving...he became a quitter.

apparently, that drives people nuts here.

dont know why, i mean...hes a quitter. dem da facts.

totally agree with your 2nd paragraph, that drives me nuts too. if people want to talk, then find the people who want to talk. if im reading my paper, downing a guiness with some grub, leave me the alone.
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Fair enough -- I guess I just mean I'm completely indifferent. Is he a quitter? I guess. I tend to think more that he's a self-important blowhard ... but to me that just means he has the perfect temperament and personality for a football coach.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
I think that's a pretty interesting example actually, but I'm not sure it has an easy case for support. At best Marrone's recruiting built depth in the program, at worst it completely failed at landing high end talent. I realize you're talking more about the evaluation side though, so maybe the analytics application was good there.

On the other hand, we passed on Melvin Gordon as an anecdotal example. I think these cases are hard to make. Whenever a coach is supposedly into analytics or somewhat dismissive of them, I'm always curious what that means in terms of the day to day management and broader vision of that team and where those inclinations really show up.
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Strictly referring to the evaluation side. Just because we couldn't close on "highly rated" players doesn't mean it wasn't effective. It uncovered guys that we offered before everyone else that ended up blowing up at the end.
 

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