Louisville is on the clock...

[jordoo]

Louisville got off a very lightly compared to the crap we got. We lost more scholarships for Fab Melo getting help on one paper and into players getting no-show job at the YMCA and a self-imposed drug program we didn't even need to have.
Our chancellor and the Syracuse in-house counsel did a horrible job negotiating if this is the penalties we got compared to Louisville. They only lose two scholarships per year for four years what a bleeping joke they're going to appeal that and I'll bet get it reduced just like we did.

Its worse with the ships. They loose the two self imposed for last season and then just 4 over the course of their 4 year probation that starts this season. They can also take those 4 whenever they want to.

 

[Ryand877]

Louisville got off a very lightly compared to the crap we got. We lost more scholarships for Fab Melo getting help on one paper and into players getting no-show job at the YMCA and a self-imposed drug program we didn't even need to have.
Our chancellor and the Syracuse in-house counsel did a horrible job negotiating if this is the penalties we got compared to Louisville. They only lose two scholarships per year for four years what a bleeping joke they're going to appeal that and I'll bet get it reduced just like we did.

If I'm reading correctly, Louisville lost four scholarships total, not per year.

 

[jordoo]

SELF REPORTING! Never ever do it! You get no benefit and a worse punishment than those that don't do it.

The NCAA likely looks at it at airing your own dirty laundry and forcing them to take action. Thus you get hammered.

 

[Alsacs]

Its worse with the ships. They loose the two self imposed for last season and then just 4 over the course of their 4 year probation that starts this season. They can also take those 4 whenever they want to.

With the delays in announcing the Dome renovation and these penalties we got compared to Louisville my initial support of Chancellor Syverud is going down by the day.
Just because he is better than Cantor doesn't mean he is good. Awful job by the SU in house counsel.

 

[Trueblue25]

Anyone else think this is considerably lighter than our punishments? I think this is absolute bs.

 

[Orangello]

More strippers......

 

[UnknownOrange]

It's as if there is shock that the NCAA isn't consistent

 

[Trueblue25]

Honestly this is astounding. The University needs to be held accountable, I highly doubt the NCAA has it out for us to this extent.

 

[jordoo]

Honestly this is astounding. The University needs to be held accountable, I highly doubt the NCAA has it out for us to this extent.

There are a few factors. First we self reported, that is just plain stupid and every kid is born knowing not to do it. You deserve a penalty for that. Second the NCAA has had it out for JB for a long time and he doesn't hold back with his words, they hung around for 7 or 8 years trying to get enough to end his career. Third its easier for the NCAA to come down harder on smaller private universities than large public ones. There is no real political backlash because there isn't much state or fed dollars involved.

In general though I feel that the University should have done a better job and if they couldn't and the NCAA was just not allowing for negotiation then they should have filed with the courts. The NCAA has no defense for its inconsistency, process of information gathering or decision making. Its a sham every time they go to court.

 

[shantydaze]

• • A vacation of basketball records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible from December 2010 and July 2014. The university will provide a written report containing the games impacted to the NCAA media coordination and statistics staff within 45 days of the public decision release.

This portion of the penalty bothers me. If the NCAA appropriately investigated the allegations, shouldn't already know in what games ineligible student-athletes competed? It almost seems as if they are trying to give Louisville some leeway and/or discretion to keep the title. Also, since Louisville is required to return the payments received for its 2013 tourney run, hasn't a decision already been made that ineligible players competed in tournament games that year? Since it was a one and done tournament, if one game is vacated, I would hope (but not hold my breath) that every game after is also vacated regardless of whether an ineligible athlete competed in it.

 

[Alsacs]

There are a few factors. First we self reported, that is just plain stupid and every kid is born knowing not to do it. You deserve a penalty for that. Second the NCAA has had it out for JB for a long time and he doesn't hold back with his words, they hung around for 7 or 8 years trying to get enough to end his career. Third its easier for the NCAA to come down harder on smaller private universities than large public ones. There is no real political backlash because there isn't much state or fed dollars involved.

In general though I feel that the University should have done a better job and if they couldn't and the NCAA was just not allowing for negotiation then they should have filed with the courts. The NCAA has no defense for its inconsistency, process of information gathering or decision making. Its a sham every time they go to court.

We should sue.

If the lawsuit was modeled after the Penn State one where we accuse of the NCAA of not following proper due process all the lawsuit needs to be is strong enough to survive summary judgment.

We should have smart enough lawyers to find issues on this. Once we survived summary judgment we could get discovery and get depositions.

Doing nothing now is horrible job by the SU administration.

 

[jordoo]

We should sue.

If the lawsuit was modeled after the Penn State one where we accuse of the NCAA of not following proper due process all the lawsuit needs to be is strong enough to survive summary judgment.

We should have smart enough lawyers to find issues on this. Once we survived summary judgment we could get discovery and get depositions.

Doing nothing now is horrible job by the SU administration.

Agreed! But more than that we should have told them that was our plan during the negotiation period and well before they announced their finding. We are holding you accountable and if we don't like it we will see you in court where your organization seems to lose every time.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[SoBeCuse]

There are a few factors. First we self reported, that is just plain stupid and every kid is born knowing not to do it. You deserve a penalty for that. Second the NCAA has had it out for JB for a long time and he doesn't hold back with his words, they hung around for 7 or 8 years trying to get enough to end his career. Third its easier for the NCAA to come down harder on smaller private universities than large public ones. There is no real political backlash because there isn't much state or fed dollars involved.

In general though I feel that the University should have done a better job and if they couldn't and the NCAA was just not allowing for negotiation then they should have filed with the courts. The NCAA has no defense for its inconsistency, process of information gathering or decision making. Its a sham every time they go to court.

Great post. The inconsistencies in all of these rulings is so random and aggravating. Very hard to read the tea leaves from case to case. Yes, SU self-reporting was stupid and the Boeheim factor had to have been big. His second strike, demeanor, behavior in pressers, etc. He clearly hung himself and took the hit for every coach who gets dinged moving forward.

 

[jordoo]

Something of note that really bothers me about our penalties, and these Lville penalties just make that point is: We had absolutely zero recruiting violations yet the NCAA hammered us with recruiting penalties. Lville was providing underage flesh to underage kids to convince them to come to their school. Clearly that is a recruiting violation (not to mention breaking several laws) and yet their recruiting penalties are far less than ours. Shouldn't we have been punished in the area of our failings and not in the area where we were doing things by the rules?

 

[cuse10]

 

[BillSU]

• http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nflvideos/get-a-close-up-look-of-all-51-super-bowl-rings/vi-BBCGJdR

NCAA suspends Rick Pitino 5 games for sex-for-hire scandal


The NCAA handed down its punishment to the Louisvile men's basketball program and coach Rick Pitino on Thursday for violations involving players receiving sexual favors arranged by a former staffer.

Pitino, cited for a failure to monitor, will be suspended for the first five Atlantic Coast Conference games in the 2017-18 season, and the school will be placed on four years of probation.

Louisville must also vacate records vacation in which student-athletes competed while ineligible from December 2010 and July 2014 and will have four scholarships reduced during its probationary period.

The ruling from the NCAA Committee on Infractions is the culmination of an investigation that dated back to late August 2015, when Louisville was first informed of a book written by escort Katina Powell that alleged former basketball staffer Andre McGee paid for dances and sex on behalf of players and recruits.

McGee received a 10-year, show-cause penalty from the NCAA.

TIMELINE: The Louisville basketball NCAA investigation

The subsequent investigation from the allegations resulted in the school self-imposing penalties that included a postseason ban for the 2015-16 team. No further postseason ban will be imposed. Louisville also already voluntarily reduced two scholarships in 2016-17.

In October 2016, the NCAA charged Louisville with four major allegations tied to McGee's misdeeds. They included an allegation that Rick Pitino failed to appropriately monitor McGee to uncover compliance problems.

Louisvillee contested the allegation against Pitino (which was met with a reply from the NCAA), and the case went before the NCAA Committee on Infractions during a meeting in April in Cincinnati.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[SUintheVille]

Anyone else think this is considerably lighter than our punishments? I think this is absolute bs.

Not if UofL has to vacate its NC in 2013.

 

[shandeezy7]

We should sue.

If the lawsuit was modeled after the Penn State one where we accuse of the NCAA of not following proper due process all the lawsuit needs to be is strong enough to survive summary judgment.

We should have smart enough lawyers to find issues on this. Once we survived summary judgment we could get discovery and get depositions.

Doing nothing now is horrible job by the SU administration.

At this point, the damage has already been done. The only thing worth recouping in a lawsuit is Boeheim's wins and potentially something monetary, but probably not enough to make it worth it.

 

[Alsacs]

At this point, the damage has already been done. The only thing worth recouping in a lawsuit is Boeheim's wins and potentially something monetary, but probably not enough to make it worth it.

Which is why my opinion of Syverud has gone down. He and his counsel appealed and then did nothing more.

When we got treated like we committed a felony instead of the misdemeanors we committed.

 

[tee1222]

Shoooooooooot. Even I can predict this one:

Whoa hold on. I predicted it? What do I win? Strippers? They'd take away 2003 for that.

 

[EastCoast2]

 

[orangezen]

I dont know the statutory rape age law in Kentucky but if any players were under it laws were broken ..

 

[GooseMutt]

Anyone else think this is considerably lighter than our punishments? I think this is absolute bs.

I am looking forward to what Jay Bilas will have to say about sanctions vs Cuse sanctions