Luke Carney

[PhatOrange]

Is this serious?

 

[PhatOrange]

I still think he threw it away to early instead of looking for another option.

The wide receiver screwed that up in my opinion. Even after Carney picked the ball up off the turf he rolled to his right and fired a rope to the 1st down marker, but the receiver (Gill) was 10 yards further down the field. Why would you run a 20 yard route when you only needed 8 yards?; Carney threw the pass exactly to the stick

Looked like it should've been a comeback route. And if Gill ran the correct route and Carney threw it to the wrong spot then Nixon's dumber than I thought because you only needed 8 yards not 20.

 

[CbusCuse]

The wide receiver screwed that up in my opinion. Even after Carney picked the ball up off the turf he rolled to his right and fired a rope to the 1st down marker, but the receiver (Gill) was 10 yards further down the field. Why would you run a 20 yard route when you only needed 8 yards?; Carney threw the pass exactly to the stick

Looked like it should've been a comeback route. And if Gill ran the correct route and Carney threw it to the wrong spot then Nixon's dumber than I thought because you only needed 8 yards not 20.

Just because we needed 8 for a first, you can't have every route running just past the sticks at 10 yards, so i'm not necessarily sure Nixon should be to blame for that. It could have been a choice route play where they saw different things. I was thinking Carney just kind of panicked and threw it away, but If it was a miscommunication between the QB and the WR on the route, that makes me feel even better about Carney. That makes sense and you very well may be correct.

 

[Chip]

Not sure how you can judge his arm strength based on the plays he was given to run. The coaches only prepared him for a limited number of plays.

Yeah that was my thoughts from the front of the upper deck. In a quick re-watch of his drives, I realize it had more zip than I thought.

And as others said, arm strength isn't even as important if you can't handle the other responsibilities of the position.

Size, quickness and #11 though, I stand by everything else.

 

[Niastri]

The wide receiver screwed that up in my opinion. Even after Carney picked the ball up off the turf he rolled to his right and fired a rope to the 1st down marker, but the receiver (Gill) was 10 yards further down the field. Why would you run a 20 yard route when you only needed 8 yards?; Carney threw the pass exactly to the stick

Looked like it should've been a comeback route. And if Gill ran the correct route and Carney threw it to the wrong spot then Nixon's dumber than I thought because you only needed 8 yards not 20.

This is a good point, it is hard to tell if the QB made a mistake or if the receiver did.

Tom Brady screaming at his receiver as they are walking off the field would give you a strong hint. But it isn't like Collins and certainly not Carney are in position to do that.

On the other hand, if the QB can't remember the route tree and is throwing to the wrong spot consistently, that can't last long.

 

[Chip]

For many QBs doing that after they have started a few games, it is the stage that is their worst enemy. That means that if they drop down to 1AA (FCS) or maybe the MAC or CUSA, they might start to look good at that level.

Around these parts, that's known as a Carlos Del Rio-Wilson.

 

[Archbold44]

Yeah that was my thoughts from the front of the upper deck. In a quick re-watch of his drives, I realize it had more zip than I thought.

And as others said, arm strength isn't even as important if you can't handle the other responsibilities of the position.

Size, quickness and #11 though, I stand by everything else.

THIS. If you have a pitcher who throws 100 MPH, but has no control... are they a starting pitcher or a relief pitcher? You need your starting pitcher to manage several innings of a game. There have been guys like Nolan Ryan who were K/BB heavy, but usually a guy like Don Sutton or Greg Maddux is the guy that has the long career as a SP. Sometimes it is better to induce a groundball DP vs. trying to blow the fastball past a guy who can catch up to it. Sometimes it is better to keep the batter guessing with your precision placement vs. relying on just a fastball.

QB is kind of the same way. Our system runs best when the QB is getting everyone involved because defenses cannot key on anyone. Maybe that check down to the TE does not get a big gain, but it keeps the defense honest. The next pass might be a crossing route where the LB has to cheat over to the TE side. The successful screen pass can move the ball to the other side of the field, get some RB the ball in space, etc. Throwing to 3 WRs gets them all in the game and running tight routes. We have seen this via McCord and Angeli. It MUST be Nixon's system. It is NOT a system for just a strong arm.

Fran's comments are perplexing. It is insulting to Rickie and it kind of supports what we see... strong arm, but issues between the ears as to What decisions/execution. Not sure I would appreciate the indirect arm criticism if I was Carney. Meanwhile, it makes the calls for Carney grow. Why wouldn't we start the most intelligent QB we have after watching 3 games of the big arm failing. Sometimes it is better to say nothing...

 

[upperdeck]

the D knows where the first down is too. There were half a dozen times I noticed the WRs being talked to as they came off where it looked like something was done wrong. We tend to forget the routes are dynamic quite often based on what the D does. Its not as simple as go 10 yds and turn.

 

[PhatOrange]

This is a good point, it is hard to tell if the QB made a mistake or if the receiver did.

Tom Brady screaming at his receiver as they are walking off the field would give you a strong hint. But it isn't like Collins and certainly not Carney are in position to do that.

On the other hand, if the QB can't remember the route tree and is throwing to the wrong spot consistently, that can't last long.

I watched as much reaction and body language after the play as the tv would allow and nobody seem to complain or say 'my bad'. It was very hard to tell who was at fault on that.

It did not look to me like Carney was throwing it away. It looked like he was throwing it to where the WR was supposed to be.

 

[PhatOrange]

the D knows where the first down is too. There were half a dozen times I noticed the WRs being talked to as they came off where it looked like something was done wrong. We tend to forget the routes are dynamic quite often based on what the D does. Its not as simple as go 10 yds and turn.

Gill is being jammed off the line. On what planet (with this team who is scratching and clawing for 1st downs) should he be running a 20 yard route on 3rd and 8. For someone who analyzes replays I'm surprised you haven't dissected every Carney snap. I have. It's interesting.

 

[upperdeck]

with the poor tv coverage its hard to look at replays. But now you make me think I have to. I was trying to forget most of the game . It does give me something to do during all these dumb meetings I have to sit thru on TEAMS.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Is this serious?

I assume you mean Fran. I'm Chris Carlson is quoting what he said. But I did not listen to the presser. I thought it was an odd comparison. Which is why I posted it here. Yes, we all know Rickie has a strong arm. But is that all. Seems he's concerning that Luke may be able to process the information better.

 

[FloridaCuse]

There has to be NIL donor guarantee here or something no? Fran has played things pretty sharply in his tenure here off the field, just seems like he is misreading the room on this one, and looking for a fight.

As I've previously posted here, I think Fran may have an unobjective loyalty to Rickie. Consistent with saying the training camp contest was certainly close.

 

[OttosShoes]

He does have a serious arm. He could even pass it to the free safety in prevent!

 

[2B20Again]

Fran may have an overly strong loyalty to Rickie and because of that isn't looking at the situation objectively. He named Rickie the starter after Spring Ball which some thought might have been premature. Throughout training game he kept reiterating that Rickie and Steve were very very close. You had some on the inside say they didn't know how Fran was going to choose. Maybe he really really wanted Rickie to win the job but in the end even he had to concede Steve was the better option. If it had really been close he may have picked Rickie as QB1. Now that Steve is out, he has renewed his (maybe blind) loyalty to Rickie and just won't consider any alternative. If they aren't preparing Luke for more of the playbook because of that it may be coaching malpractice if Rickie goes down. If Luke sees it this way, why stay.

 

[upperdeck]

Play 1. RPO. handoff to Willis. One of the few times we actually created a hole but Willis goes outside for 2 yd loss.

Play 2. Fake toss sweep. Nice design run. 6 yd gain. We caught Pitt MLB in a stunt and a OLB run blitz as well. More interesting is that while it gained yds had he tossed it, it might have led to our best run of the night. Wr has no chance to make the block on the inside run and TE has no one to block as well. Out WR

 

[2B20Again]

As I've previously posted here, I think Fran may have an unobjective loyalty to Rickie. Consistent with saying the training camp contest was certainly close.

Fran is a football coach. Truly loyal to all phases of his life including football and football players. Above Fran is loyal to Fran and his beliefs in god and family. Fran will play the players that give him the best chance to do his job, that being win football games and teach the young men to men and all the comes with it, success, failure, happiness, sadness, weakness and strength. He can only to continue to do all he wants to do regarding the growth of the boys to men if he has access. His access is being a head football coach. To stay a head football coach you need to win. So it is my feeling Fran will players that give him and the team the best chance to win.

 

[Archbold44]

He does have a serious arm. He could even pass it to the free safety in prevent!

I posted this elsewhere... but we have outscored our opponent in ONE quarter out of 13 under Ricky... the 4th quarter of SMU when it was 31-3 to start. Against Pitt, Carney came in with us down 3-0 in the 3rd quarter and he left with us down 3-0 in the 3rd quarter. No turnovers. Is that not worth something???

Collins first drive against Colgate--interception. Collins first drive against Duke--interception. Collins first drive against Pitt--interception. And then a TD for Pitt a few plays later. We scored on a 12-yard drive.

Carney comes in and goes 2 for 2 passing until he had to field a ground ball. It's almost like the coaches were hoping he would fail so that they could go back to Ricky.

Turnovers are SO important in football. You have to start the QB who does not turn the ball over. A couple pretty passes and a turnover is fool's gold.

 

[Archbold44]

Fran is a football coach. Truly loyal to all phases of his life including football and football players. Above Fran is loyal to Fran and his beliefs in god and family. Fran will play the players that give him the best chance to do his job, that being win football games and teach the young men to men and all the comes with it, success, failure, happiness, sadness, weakness and strength. He can only to continue to do all he wants to do regarding the growth of the boys to men if he has access. His access is being a head football coach. To stay a head football coach you need to win. So it is my feeling Fran will players that give him and the team the best chance to win.

Greg Robinson was paid to win games too. He did what he thought was right, even though everyone could see what, why, and how it was wrong. GERG tried to make a team not built to run a WCO run a WCO in Year 1 and never recovered. Year 1 he should have kept the same offense and improved the defense (which he actually did). And then get the guys in to run the WCO before implementing it.

Fran and Nixon are trying to make Collins run an offense that does not suit him. Period. End of story. Either change the QB or modify the offense. Doing neither is well-intentioned, but foolish. If he starts Carney against UNC and Williams against BC... at least the fans would know he is trying everything.

Rickie seems to play a little better on the road. So we probably need to let him start Georgia Tech and hope for the best. But Pitt was there for the taking and we let it slip away based on stubbornness.

 

[upperdeck]

Play 3. Draw to Nixon. This again perfect call against the D. Center has the DT in the A gap. Pitt is playing 3 deep zone. outside LBs are both out of the play vs the run. At this point if the RT controls the LDT and you can see the RG.RT have him under control . Then the RG can come off and take the 2nd level block

the LT/LG have the RDE and in theory the RT can come off and get to the 2nd level OLB.

But chaos. the RG does block anyone. The center takes the DT out of the play and both the LT/LG whiff on the block. and we have 3 ol dudes watching the RDE make a play. This should be a simple first down. If blocked perfectly there is a chance Nixon spring huge up the middle

 

[upperdeck]

Next series. Carney has 3 man set. We take the safety high , One slot goes to the Corner and that leaves Gil Wide open. Carney is looking deep, and thats a question of what is the first read because if he throws first read to Gill it might be a first down. But thats being picky because if Pitt screws up the coverage this could be a HR play. nothin wrong with 5 yds.

 

[upperdeck]

2nd an 5 anotther designed run. we caught Pitt on side run blitz, center picks it up. We actually pull the LT and you can see the p

play design is perfect for the D, RT has his man pinned. RG needs to control the DE. WR set to come block the safety and the pulling LT has a shot at the DB. Then it all breaks down.

RG loses his man. LT gets caught in the wash and never even gets to make a block and DE makes the tackle for 2 yds.

 

[PhatOrange]

Play 1. RPO. handoff to Willis. One of the few times we actually created a hole but Willis goes outside for 2 yd loss.

Play 2. Fake toss sweep. Nice design run. 6 yd gain. We caught Pitt MLB in a stunt and a OLB run blitz as well. More interesting is that while it gained yds had he tossed it, it might have led to our best run of the night. Wr has no chance to make the block on the inside run and TE has no one to block as well. Out WRView attachment 256243

Play # 1 the entire line gets no push; Vallari pulling doesn't even get north because line gets pushed back.

Play #2 is designed keeper.

 

[upperdeck]

3rd down play. Pretty simple 3 man route. Pick on db leaves Nixon under for simple 1st down pass. Not sure why Carney doesnt just rip it but he rolls out and still makes a nice throw

 

[PhatOrange]

Next series. Carney has 3 man set. We take the safety high , One slot goes to the Corner and that leaves Gil Wide open. Carney is looking deep, and thats a question of what is the first read because if he throws first read to Gill it might be a first down. But thats being picky because if Pitt screws up the coverage this could be a HR play. nothin wrong with 5 yds.View attachment 256252

Gill imo is the checkdown or at least he's not the primary target. I think Carney does a great job here looking downfield first and then going short. It shows he's not locking on to one target like Collins does.