Luke Carney

[Archbold44]

I think worth at least a question, right?

Texas Tech is starting their backup QB again this week. He was disappointing in play last week. Redshirt FR, QB rating of 109. They lost to ASU last week 26-22.

Had 2 losses as a true freshmen last year...2 interceptions in 57 attempts. For his career, 5 interceptions in 150 or so passes.

Was offered by Tarleton State and Incarnate Word before Texas Tech offered. After he committed to Texas Tech, was offered by Oregon, Penn State, Auburn, A&M, Tennessee and others...but signed with Texas Tech.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I hope this “package” for Carney includes throws downfield and that Fran wasn’t just talking about Luke’s junk.

 

[VA Citrus]

I think the QB run has to be the dominant theme in the offense. Snap the ball, if there's a hole, have Rickie/Luke run to it. If they adjust the defense to plug the hole, hand the ball to Yasim and have him run to where they adjusted from. Usually the athletic QBs want to run first, although for some reason Rickie wants to be Peyton Manning. We don't run block well enough to just pound Yasim. Successful QB runs are demoralizing to a defense but open up for big plays in the passing game. Kyle and Steve moved the ball with precision passing. If we want to win going forward, we need to embrace chaos.

 

[AngryOtto]

It's Nixon's call on the QB. He likes throwing the ball and taking deep shots. Coaches think they can fix kids. But they're basing a lot on who looks better in practice vs. game situations. And frankly, even if you fix Rickie by the end of the year, what good does that do? Not like we'd be keeping him.

I completely agree that coaches think they can develop any player. I feel that is big with Fran. He seems to want kids with measurables with the intent to develop them over time. I think it’s a great strategy but not sure it works with QBs or maybe just Ricky. It’s seems like Fran is in love with arm strength and athleticism. I would prefer a qb that gets the ball out quickly, reads defenses and can get through their progressions. That seems to fit Nixon’s style.

 

[VA Citrus]

Rickie may want to try out WR at his next stop. There are a lot of positions on the field, and he may be better off as a good WR than as a bad QB.

 

[SUskibum]

You don't think that the simplest explanation is that Carney just isn't ready, and that the coaches are holding him back when they've seen that Collins isn't any good out of blind loyalty to Collins? Ok. Agree to disagree.

I totally get what your saying, and agree with most of your sentiment but I think this line of thinking is ignoring a belief that some of us have (may or may not be true but we beleive it) which is that you can’t truly know what a player (or employee) will do when the game starts purley by watching them in practice.

So to say they know the Carney doesn't pop enough in practice, therefore would be underwhelming in a game, totally ingores the fact that some players are actually better in the chaotic, unscripted, high pressure game situations. I think of players who always just seem to make winning plays by reading the situation (never happens as scripted) and then make the best of it.

Dungey, Shrader, Hunt are examples of that kind of player compared to a Devito or Drew Allen are guys who look great when the conditions are more sterile but really lack the ablity to off script (almost every play ends up off script).

There is no way to know if Carney makes the most of each play or doesn't until we actually see him in a game since practice only gives you mayb 60-70% of that view, particullarly for QB who's situations are super sterilized in practice.

 

[baggerbob]

I totally get what your saying, and agree with most of your sentiment but I think this line of thinking is ignoring a belief that some of us have (may or may not be true but we beleive it) which is that you can’t truly know what a player (or employee) will do when the game starts purley by watching them in practice.

So to say they know the Carney doesn't pop enough in practice, therefore would be underwhelming in a game, totally ingores the fact that some players are actually better in the chaotic, unscripted, high pressure game situations. I think of players who always just seem to make winning plays by reading the situation (never happens as scripted) and then make the best of it.

Dungey, Shrader, Hunt are examples of that kind of player compared to a Devito or Drew Allen are guys who look great when the conditions are more sterile but really lack the ablity to off script (almost every play ends up off script).

There is no way to know if Carney makes the most of each play or doesn't until we actually see him in a game since practice only gives you mayb 60-70% of that view, particullarly for QB who's situations are super sterilized in practice.

Look for Fran to say Rickie gives the team the best chance to win is ignorance. And Fran should know it. In order to win a game you have to outscore your opponent. The 3 games Rickie has started we have never been ahead for even a few seconds , so Fran's statement is completely wrong, and he should own it.

 

[Archbold44]

Look for Fran to say Rickie gives the team the best chance to win is ignorance. And Fran should know it. In order to win a game you have to outscore your opponent. The 3 games Rickie has started we have never been ahead for even a few seconds , so Fran's statement is completely wrong, and he should own it.

Well, that is in part because Fran refused to kick FGs.

 

[wfschrec]

How much worse than 15-31 126 2 TD 3 INT 9 rushes 42 yards can he be? And if he isn't that good, we give him a scholarship in the first place?

How about 15-28 and 94 yds with 2 INTs and 0 TDs? That’s what the backup QB at PSU did last weekend.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

How about 15-28 and 94 yds with 2 INTs and 0 TDs? That’s what the backup QB at PSU did last weekend.

I mean let's try it and see.

 

[GoSU96]

Things can go sour very quickly with a fan base. I think starting all the QBs down to QB#6 in succession would encourage a fan base more than the gaslighting regarding what we are seeing out of Collins. That being said, Collins looked more confident and decisive in the 4th Quarter. But that is a comparison to Collins Q1-Q3. And the results did not really show much though, in part because of penalties and missed penalties (PI).

Crazy is the fact that anyone could see that Carney looked more comfortable than Collins... and he has yet to get 10 snaps in live game time. Collins seems like a guy that should be playing some other position... but because he can throw the ball 70 yards... he is being forced to play QB. Does he look like he enjoys playing the game any more than a cashier at Walmart? It looks like a job. Kind of like a 7'0 guy in basketball that really just wanted to be in the drama club or play the tuba...but because he is 7'0 he has to play basketball... all of the time with a look in his eyes envying us guys (that would rather have his height because we were centers trapped in the body more suitable to riding Secretariat).

At this point, Collins is not a 4 TD, 2 INT guy... where you live by the sword/die by the sword. He is a 1 TD (especially if we get a short field at least twice), 3 INT guy. You cannot consistently (if ever) win games when you are guaranteed to lose the turnover battle every game.

Coaches lose part of the fan base with every loss... and certainly every loss that shouldn't have happened. If Franklin beats UCLA or Northwestern, he still has a job. But they also lose it with stubbornness and--worse yet--lack of honesty. If Collins was the #1 QB out of spring, then we probably should have gotten 2 QBs in the portal... including a clear backup for Angeli. If Collins was not close to Angeli coming into the season, but Fran was saying that he was... do you think the players are learning appropriate life lessons regarding honesty?

Fans that are that weak minded, who cares?

 

[FloridaCuse]

If he finishes first in interceptions at least we have a NCAA leader in something

We need an "Oy" emoji.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

How about 15-28 and 94 yds with 2 INTs and 0 TDs? That’s what the backup QB at PSU did last weekend.

That is still better in theory because it is developing a kid who has 3 more years of eligibility and can be QB2 next year vs developing a kid who will be gone.

Also PSU couldn't pass when they had QB1 so they went from what 150 yards normally to 90 yards? That is 60% which for us is like 200 yards.

 

[SU91]

Maybe we should start the most athletic, more highly rated, and highly ranked freshman QB instead of the one they think fits the system.

 

[wfschrec]

That is still better in theory because it is developing a kid who has 3 more years of eligibility and can be QB2 next year vs developing a kid who will be gone.

Also PSU couldn't pass when they had QB1 so they went from what 150 yards normally to 90 yards? That is 60% which for us is like 200 yards.

And yet people expect Luke Carney to save the day. He isn’t playing to be developed he was forced into action, same situation we have here. Ricky has what 3 games more worth of actual experience? Some learn faster than others for a wide variety of reasons. And yes systems do matter our system puts more pressure on an inexperienced QB due to the sheer volume of passes. It’s a double edge sword for young quarterbacks. I’m not saying Rickie is the answer but the coaches see the practices, I don’t.

 

[Ttk.gman2]

If Rickie isn’t ready to play Fran needs to make the right choice right away or this game will get out of reach quickly.

 

[AngryOtto]

If Rickie isn’t ready to play Fran needs to make the right choice right away or this game will get out of reach quickly.

I was watching the game again last night. It’s just not Ricky’s decision making. His throws are bad. On the first interception he sails the ball over cooks head right to the safety. A good throw would have been a first down. On the next series throws the ball almost over Willis head. Willis goes up and barely tips the ball. If he had not got a hand on the ball another easy interception. Those are just two quick examples of poor throws.

 

[PhatOrange]

And yet people expect Luke Carney to save the day. He isn’t playing to be developed he was forced into action, same situation we have here. Ricky has what 3 games more worth of actual experience? Some learn faster than others for a wide variety of reasons. And yes systems do matter our system puts more pressure on an inexperienced QB due to the sheer volume of passes. It’s a double edge sword for young quarterbacks. I’m not saying Rickie is the answer but the coaches see the practices, I don’t.

I don’t think anybody expects Carney to save the day. I think they just want to see, more consistently, passes that aren’t thrown behind players or in the dirt or 10 yards over their head. I think they want to see some look offs, and not blindly locking onto one receiver and throwing balls into traffic no matter what. I know I personally would like to see some ‘feel' from the position.

 

[tep624]

Rickie may want to try out WR at his next stop. There are a lot of positions on the field, and he may be better off as a good WR than as a bad QB.

Not trying to be mean but I don’t see him with the fluidity to be a WR.

 

[wfschrec]

I don’t think anybody expects Carney to save the day. I think they just want to see, more consistently, passes that aren’t thrown behind players or in the dirt or 10 yards over their head. I think they want to see some look offs, and not blindly locking onto one receiver and throwing balls into traffic no matter what. I know I personally would like to see some ‘feel from the position.

And how do we know he wouldn’t have the sane issues is my point. I get what you’re saying, but no one here knows if Carney would be any different. I just know we aren’t the only team looking abysmal with a backup QB forced into action due to surgery

 

[SuFTW]

And how do we know he wouldn’t have the sane issues is my point. I get what you’re saying, but no one here knows if Carney would be any different. I just know we aren’t the only team looking abysmal with a backup QB forced into action due to surgery

We don’t. That’s the point. Let’s find out.

 

[orangenauburn]

Rickie will get at least the first series today. Possibly a quarter. But Like is playing today. And he is going to have to sling it.

He will get a nice experience and we should have a better idea of where things stand around 3p today.

 

[wfschrec]

We don’t. That’s the point. Let’s find out.

My point was that maybe the coaches do …I honestly don’t know. I just know I want to beat the ever loving $h1t out of GT. I loathe that program and their Cartman clone coach.

 

[SuFTW]

My point was that maybe the coaches do …I honestly don’t know. I just know I want to beat the ever loving $h1t out of GT. I loathe that program and their Cartman clone coach.

The coaches may know, but then again they have made some rookie mistakes. Hope the defense leads the way and crushes GT.

 

[baggerbob]

I get that they feel that Collins gives them the best chance to run our entire O, but that doesn't mean it gives us the best chance to win.

Really the rest of this year is about developing the players who will be back next year so we can make a run. Finding a QB2 is more important than keeping games close vs GA Tech, Miami, Notre Dame.

Fran better find a QB now, because you don't know if Steve will be the same when he gets back. You also don't know if he will be game ready at the beginning of next year.
So find out now whether one of the freshman can play, because if the can't, you need 2 transfers in the spring.