Luke Carney

[AngryOtto]

Why so personally offended? Fran is being full of shite with what he says about Collins as if we don’t have eyes. You are fine with it, doesn’t mean I have to be. That interview was gaslighting.

It’s frustrating when he says Ricky is our best option. He may be but I do know Ricky will not win us games unless they intend to drastically change the O which I do not see happening. Hopefully Rickey throws less than two picks Saturday. Maybe we can hang in there if we limit turn over. I think the over / under is 3. I had four against Pitt. Sad going into games we have to consider how many picks the qb may throw.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

It’s frustrating when he says Ricky is our best option. He may be but I do know Ricky will not win us games unless they intend to drastically change the O which I do not see happening. Hopefully Rickey throws less than two picks Saturday. Maybe we can hang in there if we limit turn over. I think the over / under is 3. I had four against Pitt. Sad going into games we have to consider how many picks the qb may throw.

It was a crazy interview.

Saying that we don’t have a QB who is ready to play. Not succeed but just play. How in the heck do you go into a season like that? Plus that directly contradicts Spring Fran and Summer Fran.

Then to say the QB with the best potential, he won’t name him let alone play him? So many things make no sense with this one.

For Collins and Carney, how does that not push you out the door? Or give you any confidence?

If you have a QB with potential, wouldn’t it make sense to give that QB first team practice reps now? And game time? Wouldn’t that accelerate their development?

For the fans, wouldn’t naming said QB give us hope and keep us engaged? Instead we are forced to watch Collins?

Lastly to say Collins finished the Pitt game strong? Seriously? He actually played worse statistically. He was sacked twice vs not being sacked before. His completion % went way down. He threw a pick. He did run the ball well, I’ll give him that. But overall it was poor QB play and not making us competitive. We have eyes Fran.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

It was a crazy interview.

Saying that we don’t have a QB who is ready to play. Not succeed but just play. How in the heck do you go into a season like that? Plus that directly contradicts Spring Fran and Summer Fran.

Then to say the QB with the best potential, he won’t name him let alone play him? So many things make no sense with this one.

For Collins and Carney, how does that not push you out the door? Or give you any confidence?

If you have a QB with potential, wouldn’t it make sense to give that QB first team practice reps now? And game time? Wouldn’t that accelerate their development?

For the fans, wouldn’t naming said QB give us hope and keep us engaged? Instead we are forced to watch Collins?

Lastly to say Collins finished the Pitt game strong? Seriously? He actually played worse statistically. He was sacked twice vs not being sacked before. His completion % went way down. He threw a pick. He did run the ball well, I’ll give him that. But overall it was poor QB play and not making us competitive. We have eyes Fran.

My eyes actually believed Rickie improved as well - and I don’t think we can win with him at this point. He made the right decision to run a few times and that interception was pass interference.

 

[richmondcuse03]

It's Nixon's call on the QB. He likes throwing the ball and taking deep shots. Coaches think they can fix kids. But they're basing a lot on who looks better in practice vs. game situations. And frankly, even if you fix Rickie by the end of the year, what good does that do? Not like we'd be keeping him.

 

[Archbold44]

It was a crazy interview.

Saying that we don’t have a QB who is ready to play. Not succeed but just play. How in the heck do you go into a season like that? Plus that directly contradicts Spring Fran and Summer Fran.

Then to say the QB with the best potential, he won’t name him let alone play him? So many things make no sense with this one.

For Collins and Carney, how does that not push you out the door? Or give you any confidence?

If you have a QB with potential, wouldn’t it make sense to give that QB first team practice reps now? And game time? Wouldn’t that accelerate their development?

For the fans, wouldn’t naming said QB give us hope and keep us engaged? Instead we are forced to watch Collins?

Lastly to say Collins finished the Pitt game strong? Seriously? He actually played worse statistically. He was sacked twice vs not being sacked before. His completion % went way down. He threw a pick. He did run the ball well, I’ll give him that. But overall it was poor QB play and not making us competitive. We have eyes Fran.

Things can go sour very quickly with a fan base. I think starting all the QBs down to QB#6 in succession would encourage a fan base more than the gaslighting regarding what we are seeing out of Collins. That being said, Collins looked more confident and decisive in the 4th Quarter. But that is a comparison to Collins Q1-Q3. And the results did not really show much though, in part because of penalties and missed penalties (PI).

Crazy is the fact that anyone could see that Carney looked more comfortable than Collins... and he has yet to get 10 snaps in live game time. Collins seems like a guy that should be playing some other position... but because he can throw the ball 70 yards... he is being forced to play QB. Does he look like he enjoys playing the game any more than a cashier at Walmart? It looks like a job. Kind of like a 7'0 guy in basketball that really just wanted to be in the drama club or play the tuba...but because he is 7'0 he has to play basketball... all of the time with a look in his eyes envying us guys (that would rather have his height because we were centers trapped in the body more suitable to riding Secretariat).

At this point, Collins is not a 4 TD, 2 INT guy... where you live by the sword/die by the sword. He is a 1 TD (especially if we get a short field at least twice), 3 INT guy. You cannot consistently (if ever) win games when you are guaranteed to lose the turnover battle every game.

Coaches lose part of the fan base with every loss... and certainly every loss that shouldn't have happened. If Franklin beats UCLA or Northwestern, he still has a job. But they also lose it with stubbornness and--worse yet--lack of honesty. If Collins was the #1 QB out of spring, then we probably should have gotten 2 QBs in the portal... including a clear backup for Angeli. If Collins was not close to Angeli coming into the season, but Fran was saying that he was... do you think the players are learning appropriate life lessons regarding honesty?

 

[upperdeck]

QB is a tough position. You have 50% of the pro teams trying to compete with below avg QBs and every one of those QBs was a star through college. All of ours had solid HS careers. Now the speed changes and the plays change. Some HS you can call maybe 10 plays and they work because your team is better. Sure the kids all know the play book, but you are not processing at speed only so many reps in a practice. Now you have a kid that was getting 20% of the reps getting 60-70% of the reps and another kid who was getting maybe %5 getting 20-25% and over the course of 2-3 weeks people expect him to be developed?

Then compound it with bad blocking much of the time. Now we are also seeing the WR depth be compromised.

QBs get blamed for plays breaking down, but they dont break down only because the QB does things wrong. Bad throws, bad decisions, mistakes by WRs, bad blocking, it all adds up.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Things can go sour very quickly with a fan base. I think starting all the QBs down to QB#6 in succession would encourage a fan base more than the gaslighting regarding what we are seeing out of Collins. That being said, Collins looked more confident and decisive in the 4th Quarter. But that is a comparison to Collins Q1-Q3. And the results did not really show much though, in part because of penalties and missed penalties (PI).

Crazy is the fact that anyone could see that Carney looked more comfortable than Collins... and he has yet to get 10 snaps in live game time. Collins seems like a guy that should be playing some other position... but because he can throw the ball 70 yards... he is being forced to play QB. Does he look like he enjoys playing the game any more than a cashier at Walmart? It looks like a job. Kind of like a 7'0 guy in basketball that really just wanted to be in the drama club or play the tuba...but because he is 7'0 he has to play basketball... all of the time with a look in his eyes envying us guys (that would rather have his height because we were centers trapped in the body more suitable to riding Secretariat).

At this point, Collins is not a 4 TD, 2 INT guy... where you live by the sword/die by the sword. He is a 1 TD (especially if we get a short field at least twice), 3 INT guy. You cannot consistently (if ever) win games when you are guaranteed to lose the turnover battle every game.

Coaches lose part of the fan base with every loss... and certainly every loss that shouldn't have happened. If Franklin beats UCLA or Northwestern, he still has a job. But they also lose it with stubbornness and--worse yet--lack of honesty. If Collins was the #1 QB out of spring, then we probably should have gotten 2 QBs in the portal... including a clear backup for Angeli. If Collins was not close to Angeli coming into the season, but Fran was saying that he was... do you think the players are learning appropriate life lessons regarding honesty?

I don't think he did look better in the 4th. I thought this last game was his worst 4th Q yet. He couldn't complete any passes. He had a pass go well out of bounds which we haven't seen yet from him. He short hopped what 2-3 passes? That is another new first.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It's Nixon's call on the QB. He likes throwing the ball and taking deep shots. Coaches think they can fix kids. But they're basing a lot on who looks better in practice vs. game situations. And frankly, even if you fix Rickie by the end of the year, what good does that do? Not like we'd be keeping him.

Ah, so this is the downside of Nixon.

 

[OburgOrange]

It's Nixon's call on the QB. He likes throwing the ball and taking deep shots. Coaches think they can fix kids. But they're basing a lot on who looks better in practice vs. game situations. And frankly, even if you fix Rickie by the end of the year, what good does that do? Not like we'd be keeping him.

^^This^^ Rickie is not going to be here next year. He obviously can’t cut it at this level. Time to empty the QB bench and see what we have. Season is toast anyway

 

[Archbold44]

I don't think he did look better in the 4th. I thought this last game was his worst 4th Q yet. He couldn't complete any passes. He had a pass go well out of bounds which we haven't seen yet from him. He short hopped what 2-3 passes? That is another new first.

He looked aggressive and decisive running the ball, at least. Not sure his passing was any better. Probably just splitting hairs anyway... Collins going from a 1 out of 10 to a 2 out of 10 is not moving the win likelihood needle in any meaningful way anyway.

 

[JRHEETER]

It's Nixon's call on the QB. He likes throwing the ball and taking deep shots. Coaches think they can fix kids. But they're basing a lot on who looks better in practice vs. game situations. And frankly, even if you fix Rickie by the end of the year, what good does that do? Not like we'd be keeping him.

Couldnt agree more but I can understand why Nixon wants to keep playing Rickie. Rickie has flashes while playing in games that make you go...wow there IS something there...

Then he stares down the other teams DB and puts it right into their hands...

I think you gotta go a different route at this point and see what you have in the stable to try and build a solid back up qb for next year in the case that Angeli gets hurt again.

Fran Brown has the luxury to have a down season this year and no one bat an eye. Especially with all the player leadership he lost to graduation, draft etc.

I do not think that Coach Fran can have two down years, regardless of if his starting QB went down.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Couldnt agree more but I can understand why Nixon wants to keep playing Rickie. Rickie has flashes while playing in games that make you go...wow there IS something there...

Granted, I haven't watched every Collins snap, and I remember from one of the game threads Collins had a nice pass or two to Cook over the middle, but I just haven't seen those flashes. He's had a handful of good plays.

CD-RW was more impressive when he came in against Notre Dame than anything Collins has done.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Couldnt agree more but I can understand why Nixon wants to keep playing Rickie. Rickie has flashes while playing in games that make you go...wow there IS something there...

Then he stares down the other teams DB and puts it right into their hands...

I think you gotta go a different route at this point and see what you have in the stable to try and build a solid back up qb for next year in the case that Angeli gets hurt again.

Fran Brown has the luxury to have a down season this year and no one bat an eye. Especially with all the player leadership he lost to graduation, draft etc.

I do not think that Coach Fran can have two down years, regardless of if his starting QB went down.

I get that they feel that Collins gives them the best chance to run our entire O, but that doesn't mean it gives us the best chance to win.

Really the rest of this year is about developing the players who will be back next year so we can make a run. Finding a QB2 is more important than keeping games close vs GA Tech, Miami, Notre Dame.

 

[tep624]

I feel like we're debating Austin Wilson and Mitch Kimble again. One had more arm strength and the other had quicker feet.

In the end, we just wanted the season to be over.

They were both FCS players. We really don’t know what we have with Luke yet.

 

[tep624]

Rickie is currently 5th in the entire FBS for total interceptions, is two away from 1st, and everyone "ahead" of him has more GP, more attempts, more completions, and a higher QBR.

If that's not questionable then neither is me saying "we couldn't afford not to buy it" when I've just come home unprompted with a brand new sports car.

If he finishes first in interceptions at least we have a NCAA leader in something

 

[Archbold44]

QB is a tough position. You have 50% of the pro teams trying to compete with below avg QBs and every one of those QBs was a star through college. All of ours had solid HS careers. Now the speed changes and the plays change. Some HS you can call maybe 10 plays and they work because your team is better. Sure the kids all know the play book, but you are not processing at speed only so many reps in a practice. Now you have a kid that was getting 20% of the reps getting 60-70% of the reps and another kid who was getting maybe %5 getting 20-25% and over the course of 2-3 weeks people expect him to be developed?

Then compound it with bad blocking much of the time. Now we are also seeing the WR depth be compromised.

QBs get blamed for plays breaking down, but they dont break down only because the QB does things wrong. Bad throws, bad decisions, mistakes by WRs, bad blocking, it all adds up.

Of course. But is not at least part of it because the team does not have confidence in Rickie? It's one thing when you know your QB CAN put the team on his shoulders and win the game. It's another thing when you know your QB needs the whole play to be perfect to not lose yardage or turn the ball over. Now the whole team is trying too hard and thinking too much. The team looks like it is resigned to failure on a play by play basis.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If he finishes first in interceptions at least we have a NCAA leader in something

We're #1!

 

[upperdeck]

Of course. But is not at least part of it because the team does not have confidence in Rickie? It's one thing when you know your QB CAN put the team on his shoulders and win the game. It's another thing when you know your QB needs the whole play to be perfect to not lose yardage or turn the ball over. Now the whole team is trying too hard and thinking too much. The team looks like it is resigned to failure on a play by play basis.

Do they not have confidence? I see alot of things pointing to "team" when he is on the field. When he came back in they clearly were not oh here it goes again. The kids know which QB gives them a better chance. I dont see lack of effort when he plays.

And the oline fails on a regular basis much more than Ricky does.

 

[dollarbill44]

I’m all for family and brotherhood, but don’t modern families have a naughty chair?

I come from a large family. Our naughty chair was a barstool turned upside down.

 

[bigmike]

I come from a large family. Our naughty chair was a barstool turned upside down.

Tough image to process.

 

[dollarbill44]

Tough image to process.

Why are you trying?

But, there's probably a picture of a similar scenario somewhere out there on the internet.

 

[RF2044]

I get that they feel that Collins gives them the best chance to run our entire O, but that doesn't mean it gives us the best chance to win.

Really the rest of this year is about developing the players who will be back next year so we can make a run. Finding a QB2 is more important than keeping games close vs GA Tech, Miami, Notre Dame.

I think it's more simple.

The coaches know that Collins doesn't have "it." They also observe Carney every day in practice, and have a pretty good sense of where he is at the current stage of his developmental curve.

They've seen what we all have in games, and know that Collins has extremely limited upside. But that Carney isn't even as "good" as Collins at this point. So while the fans have seen enough of Collins to know that he isn't the answer, and are clamoring for Carney, things would be worse if we make that full-time switch.

Either way, lousy position to be in.

 

[OttosShoes]

They've seen what we all have in games, and know that Collins has extremely limited upside. But that Carney isn't even as "good" as Collins at this point. So while the fans have seen enough of Collins to know that he isn't the answer, and are clamoring for Carney, things would be worse if we make that full-time switch.

We don't doubt that the Coaches think that. We doubt that it's the case.

I thought buying a kit car was going to be a really good idea and I'd be done in a year. Everybody told me 'don't do that, it's just going to sit in your garage unassembled.' Well I know my skills better than anybody so I felt qualified to tell them they're wrong.

Thing is, that was three years ago. Guess what is still sitting unassembled in my garage? Sometimes when you're too close to an issue you miss the big picture.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

We don't doubt that the Coaches think that. We doubt that it's the case.

I thought buying a kit car was going to be a really good idea and I'd be done in a year. Everybody told me 'don't do that, it's just going to sit in your garage unassembled.' Well I know my skills better than anybody so I felt qualified to tell them they're wrong.

Thing is, that was three years ago. Guess what is sitting unassembled in my garage? Sometimes when you're too close to an issue you miss the big picture.

This is a great story.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I think it's more simple.

The coaches know that Collins doesn't have "it." They also observe Carney every day in practice, and have a pretty good sense of where he is at the current stage of his developmental curve.

They've seen what we all have in games, and know that Collins has extremely limited upside. But that Carney isn't even as "good" as Collins at this point. So while the fans have seen enough of Collins to know that he isn't the answer, and are clamoring for Carney, things would be worse if we make that full-time switch.

Either way, lousy position to be in.

How much worse than 15-31 126 2 TD 3 INT 9 rushes 42 yards can he be? And if he isn't that good, we give him a scholarship in the first place?