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Luke Carney

Then why did Carney play against Pitt? Why did Carney come in for one drive against UNC?
The entire use of Carney makes no sense. It’s the reason people are questioning Fran. I could see him thrown in on the road against Miami that just lost and will be super motivated. I think even if he plays would be concerned with the play calling.
If he falls Fran everyone will say Fran is right. The worst for Fran is if he actually played him and he did well.
 
Trolling and scrolling about Carney is useless at this point. It was relevant about 4+ ago but is now a discussion based on really far out absolutes.
 
I don’t care what the Axe article says. What I do know is that it is difficult to take a coach seriously when he has a QB1, QB2 ranking system that even HE does not adhere too. Friday’s game should have been started by either Carney or Williams, the QB2 and QB3 on the depth chart. To go to QB4/QB5 is ridiculous.

And to not bring Rickie in for relief in the 4th was just trying to lose. You cannot go from 1st string to 4th string barring injury or scandal. Two days later it is befuddling.
I honestly think he caved as others have stated what he stated two plus weeks ago was that Ricky was the best of the choices, I believe he was desperate and as he stated he wanted to see if he could get a Spark. Do I think Luke was given enough time probably not, however once again he probably knew what we did not. And by the way that is totally on Fran, however the Sharks were calling for a change a long time ago, started comparing him to the Pittsburgh quarterback you at least need to give it a shot right? That includes many on the board, and certainly the Moron BA with his newbie disciple JE Who were circling a long time ago and so many others. He could have handled the situation much better, coach Fran Brown, however he was trying and did not have any other options. My hope is he puts RC back in, and see where we go. I believe that will help all parties involved including the S, as well as RC good bad or indifferent. I do want to remind the shark idiots about CDWR and what they stated about him literally inhumane for a 20 year old in reference to physiologic traits. I Trust in the future coach Fran Brown will not cater to shark idiots and trust his gut. If this was not the case so be it and move on, make the best of it. And I do believe he is learning for sure. The old Sack Mac pack, but that turned out real well. I was just barely around at that time chronologically but I heard lots of great things about that man. I did however get to see really good, fun football as a result of that. This guy talks a lot like him I trust
 
I honestly think he caved as others have stated what he stated two plus weeks ago was that Ricky was the best of the choices, I believe he was desperate and as he stated he wanted to see if he could get a Spark. Do I think Luke was given enough time probably not, however once again he probably knew what we did not. And by the way that is totally on Fran, however the Sharks were calling for a change a long time ago, started comparing him to the Pittsburgh quarterback you at least need to give it a shot right? That includes many on the board, and certainly the Moron BA with his newbie disciple JE Who were circling a long time ago and so many others. He could have handled the situation much better, coach Fran Brown, however he was trying and did not have any other options. My hope is he puts RC back in, and see where we go. I believe that will help all parties involved including the S, as well as RC good bad or indifferent. I do want to remind the shark idiots about CDWR and what they stated about him literally inhumane for a 20 year old in reference to physiologic traits. I Trust in the future coach Fran Brown will not cater to shark idiots and trust his gut. If this was not the case so be it and move on, make the best of it. And I do believe he is learning for sure. The old Sack Mac pack, but that turned out real well. I was just barely around at that time chronologically but I heard lots of great things about that man. I did however get to see really good, fun football as a result of that. This guy talks a lot like him I trust
Well
I guess that’s your opinion
For what it’s worth
 
The fact that he didn’t beat out a guy that just had the worst performance I’ve ever witnessed to start. No offense but I trust coaches who work with these guys everyday over OttoinGrotto who has never seen any of them.
Have to disagree, Fran was completely wrong on Rickie twice, now playing Filardi shows he is playing games to try to prove a point. There is no possible way you could look at 3 games results and continue to play Rickie. You also don't have someone listed as your backup for 4 games in a row if they aren't the next best option, unless you are lying. And twice you put Carney in games.
So no Fran hasn't earned trust on the QB position.
 
I laugh at the "beat them out" stuff. Look who is picking what QBs to play. They actually pick Filardi to play because he was "best" in practice. LOL It looks like our coaches have no clue what QB play in practice will translate to game day. The last two QBs they put in Collins and Filardi were beyond terrible. So, who exactly is evaluating and recruiting QBs is the problem. Once Steve goes down, whoever is picking what QB to play is the problem. Also, judging QBs against our terrible defense isn't going to be a good barometer on how they will play against a real defense.
 
The fact that he didn’t beat out a guy that just had the worst performance I’ve ever witnessed to start. No offense but I trust coaches who work with these guys everyday over OttoinGrotto
That's not what you said. You said based on what you had seen of Carney you weren't questioning the coaches. I'm irrelevant. Don't try to use my idiocy as a defense.

Saying now that what you "saw" is that Carney got beat out is bogus. The staff picking Filardi is not synonymous with Carney getting "beaten out."

Somewhere along the way at best the coaches made a strange choice. Carney was #3 to start the year. We saw that get verified when Collins came in for mop up duty, lost his helmet and had to come out for a play, and Carney came in and finished the drive for a TD.

Then when Angeli went down and his name came off the depth chart, it went Collins, Carney, Williams. Carney right there at QB2. Williams seemingly MIA.

So Collins goes 0 and 4, Fran says we're going to open up the QB competition, and in a SHORT WEEK mind you we're supposed to believe that Filardi practiced so well it erased all of the benefit of spring ball Carney had and all of the benefit of whatever practice reps he had as QB3 and then QB2? We're supposed to believe Filardi was that impressive in practice, but seemingly hadn't shown anything like that to this point. And in those mere 4 days of practice ran away with the job?

Or, the staff outsmarted themselves and made a choice without any logic whatsoever behind it. Or if Filardi actually did outshine Carney in that short amount of time, why wasn't the coaching Carney received better at getting him prepared to play?
 
Stop trashing reporters, especially home town ones. There reporting on what they see just like we see it with fan feedback. Lets not SU become a Rutgers dumpster thread for reporting.
Appreciate your feedback, when you attack people with limited insight into specific situations and certainly limitations without significant insight it becomes personal concerning him. I stand by what I stated because that is my experience with this individual and I feel he is an opportunistic snake with a propensity towards gluttony and propagation of ill informed antagonistic rhetoric that is certainly untrue on so many occasions. Please do not turn a player or coaches performance Into a literacy discussion and certainly correlate it with moral competency in a very degrading way. He is an opportunistic bully with a pen. His reporting is the equivalent of an unciteable source with zero credibility unless he has slithered into the ignorant arms of a valid source without knowing his character. He is trash with no decorum. I will definitely stand for what is right when you attack good kind people long before these discussions on multiple occasions. I pray for him however why would I like a snake. Grace brent
 
That's not what you said. You said based on what you had seen of Carney you weren't questioning the coaches. I'm irrelevant. Don't try to use my idiocy as a defense.

Saying now that what you "saw" is that Carney got beat out is bogus. The staff picking Filardi is not synonymous with Carney getting "beaten out."

Somewhere along the way at best the coaches made a strange choice. Carney was #3 to start the year. We saw that get verified when Collins came in for mop up duty, lost his helmet and had to come out for a play, and Carney came in and finished the drive for a TD.

Then when Angeli went down and his name came off the depth chart, it went Collins, Carney, Williams. Carney right there at QB2. Williams seemingly MIA.

So Collins goes 0 and 4, Fran says we're going to open up the QB competition, and in a SHORT WEEK mind you we're supposed to believe that Filardi practiced so well it erased all of the benefit of spring ball Carney had and all of the benefit of whatever practice reps he had as QB3 and then QB2? We're supposed to believe Filardi was that impressive in practice, but seemingly hadn't shown anything like that to this point. And in those mere 4 days of practice ran away with the job?

Or, the staff outsmarted themselves and made a choice without any logic whatsoever behind it. Or if Filardi actually did outshine Carney in that short amount of time, why wasn't the coaching Carney received better at getting him prepared to play?
None of it makes sense. People do not like the speculation... but random/idiotic decisions invite speculation. We literally just witnessed a coaching staff decide that the guy that was #3/#2 for 9 weeks... should be displaced for someone not on scholarship. And then he gets all but one drive in the full game.
 
None of it makes sense. People do not like the speculation... but random/idiotic decisions invite speculation. We literally just witnessed a coaching staff decide that the guy that was #3/#2 for 9 weeks... should be displaced for someone not on scholarship. And then he gets all but one drive in the full game.
It's maddening.
 
None of it makes sense. People do not like the speculation... but random/idiotic decisions invite speculation. We literally just witnessed a coaching staff decide that the guy that was #3/#2 for 9 weeks... should be displaced for someone not on scholarship. And then he gets all but one drive in the full game.

Filardi threw for 3,115 yards and 43 TDs last year, and rushed for over 1,200 yards and 12 more TDs.

Clearly he showed the staff something in practice.

Or Carney didn't show enough.

The staff has watched all the QB throw every day since August. This wasn't just some "random idiotic" decision.
 
Filardi threw for 3,115 yards and 43 TDs last year, and rushed for over 1,200 yards and 12 more TDs.

Clearly he showed the staff something in practice.

Or Carney didn't show enough.

The staff has watched all the QB throw every day since August. This wasn't just some "random idiotic" decision.
It's either a strange decision, or we have to believe that up until the very point that Fran reopened the QB competition that Carney had shown more, and had more investment in practice priority in the program up until then, at which point Filardi suddenly overtook him and appeared to realize his potential at just the right time.

It's not great admitting it but it's much more likely the staff made a stupid decision than to believe Filardi's development timeline relative to Carney's happened to shake out the way it did. On a short week, at that.

My new conspiracy theory is that Nixon was never on board with the kind of QB Carney is, but it wasn't supposed to matter because Nixon was going to move on after this season when his son is done, and the likelihood of having to dip down to QB3 seemed so low at the start of the season.
 
Filardi threw for 3,115 yards and 43 TDs last year, and rushed for over 1,200 yards and 12 more TDs.

Clearly he showed the staff something in practice.

Or Carney didn't show enough.

The staff has watched all the QB throw every day since August. This wasn't just some "random idiotic" decision.
Not to go all caps on you... but THE DEPTH CHART ON OCTOBER 27 DID NOT HAVE FILARDI AT ALL. On Monday, the starting QB for Friday was not on the agenda. That absolutely makes it a random idiotic decision. How many snaps has Filardi taken in practice running our offense with the starters??

Really, I think the ACC should fine the program. That is just garbage. If we were planning to start Filardi, it should have been on the depth chart. The good news is that we stink so bad, that nobody really cares.

It is also garbage for a kid to get his first ever PT as a start on a short week. Any competent, sane coaching staff would have started Carney to rally the crowed, gotten Filardi a series or two (like Carney) to get his feet wet if Carney stunk or was stalled, and been ready to pivot to Collins to be the hero if neither could move the ball. What is the downside here?
 
Not to go all caps on you... but THE DEPTH CHART ON OCTOBER 27 DID NOT HAVE FILARDI AT ALL. On Monday, the starting QB for Friday was not on the agenda. That absolutely makes it a random idiotic decision. How many snaps has Filardi taken in practice running our offense with the starters??

Really, I think the ACC should fine the program. That is just garbage. If we were planning to start Filardi, it should have been on the depth chart. The good news is that we stink so bad, that nobody really cares.

It is also garbage for a kid to get his first ever PT as a start on a short week. Any competent, sane coaching staff would have started Carney to rally the crowed, gotten Filardi a series or two (like Carney) to get his feet wet if Carney stunk or was stalled, and been ready to pivot to Collins to be the hero if neither could move the ball. What is the downside here?

Are you new here?

Most of us are surprised that SU still didn't have Angeli listed as QB1.

The depth chart has always been "inaccurate" for years.
 
Are you new here?

Most of us are surprised that SU still didn't have Angeli listed as QB1.

The depth chart has always been "inaccurate" for years.
Angeli>Collins>Carney in terms of PT all year through 9 games. In Game 10, we elevate a kid who has not gotten any meaningful PT with the #1 offense to starter. If he WAS getting snaps in recent weeks, it was at the expense of Collins/Carney. If he WAS NOT getting snaps in recent weeks, he could not have been ready for UNC.

A historically bad QB game. 5 punts, 1 turnover, and a FG drive. <40 yards passing. Collins has had 40 yard PASSES.

We have had QB injuries. We have never had a staff bypass the QB hierarchy without giving someone in the pecking order a legit chance to prove/disprove their competence. Playcalling for Collins and Filardi has been awful too. And now Filardi has been hung out to dry just so Carney cannot play.
 
Are you new here?

Most of us are surprised that SU still didn't have Angeli listed as QB1.

The depth chart has always been "inaccurate" for years.

Being slow to update is one thing. Going from QB2 all the way to walk-on QB6 for his first college snap to be a mid-season start in an otherwise winnable conference game is another.

I honestly can't think of anything I've seen like that in pretty much any sport. It's a Hollywood trope, except the script writers here had no ability to write in success.
 
I have to disagree with you on your last point. No coach, no matter who they are, should have any influence on who the local media are. Any any media organization that allows that is below my contempt.
I don't disagree with you at all on this. I just understand why he wanted him removed. There's, I'm sure, hundreds of other coaches that feel the same way about local hacks.
 
It's either a strange decision, or we have to believe that up until the very point that Fran reopened the QB competition that Carney had shown more, and had more investment in practice priority in the program up until then, at which point Filardi suddenly overtook him and appeared to realize his potential at just the right time.

It's not great admitting it but it's much more likely the staff made a stupid decision than to believe Filardi's development timeline relative to Carney's happened to shake out the way it did. On a short week, at that.

My new conspiracy theory is that Nixon was never on board with the kind of QB Carney is, but it wasn't supposed to matter because Nixon was going to move on after this season when his son is done, and the likelihood of having to dip down to QB3 seemed so low at the start of the season.

First, I've agreed with your takes on this QB situation I think for the full boat of it.

Second, this is exactly right -- by hook or by crook, it doesn't matter at this point. Filardi was arguably the worst QB in my lifetime to ever start a game.

He is a walk on that put up numbers in New York State. And while that is admirable and nothing to wave away in terms of athletic achievements, that and $5 will get you a happy hour beer at the local bar.

Filardi, in no way, shape or form was ready or capable to play in that game. His actions during the game signaled someone that cannot play at this level. Or at least not at this moment and the next moment is not near at all.

Maybe Carney is failing like 7 classes. Maybe Carney is out getting in trouble. Maybe Carney let Fran's puppy run away while dog-sitting. All of these are possibilities, albeit probably remote.

How Carney didn't get the start is baffling. I get that next year the goal is to have Angeli back and healthy as he seemed to be putting it together. But we have games to play this year. And when you start a guy like Filardi (after what we've seen/experienced with Rickie), the likelihood of getting the other units on both sides of the ball to play 100% is nil. Players know when you are toast.

QB is everything in football now. Everything. And if Carney is a malcontent and Fran can't play him because of team rules, I get it. But outside of that, to use him how he's been used is coaching malpractice and shows a real weakness on the staff at arguably the most important position in all of sports.
 
First, I've agreed with your takes on this QB situation I think for the full boat of it.

Second, this is exactly right -- by hook or by crook, it doesn't matter at this point. Filardi was arguably the worst QB in my lifetime to ever start a game.

He is a walk on that put up numbers in New York State. And while that is admirable and nothing to wave away in terms of athletic achievements, that and $5 will get you a happy hour beer at the local bar.

Filardi, in no way, shape or form was ready or capable to play in that game. His actions during the game signaled someone that cannot play at this level. Or at least not at this moment and the next moment is not near at all.

Maybe Carney is failing like 7 classes. Maybe Carney is out getting in trouble. Maybe Carney let Fran's puppy run away while dog-sitting. All of these are possibilities, albeit probably remote.

How Carney didn't get the start is baffling. I get that next year the goal is to have Angeli back and healthy as he seemed to be putting it together. But we have games to play this year. And when you start a guy like Filardi (after what we've seen/experienced with Rickie), the likelihood of getting the other units on both sides of the ball to play 100% is nil. Players know when you are toast.

QB is everything in football now. Everything. And if Carney is a malcontent and Fran can't play him because of team rules, I get it. But outside of that, to use him how he's been used is coaching malpractice and shows a real weakness on the staff at arguably the most important position in all of sports.
That's why I keep saying that it seems like no matter what the explanation is as to why Carney's playing time has been so weird, someone comes out of it looking bad. Either Carney himself because he hasn't gotten ready or has made himself unplayable (but not completely unplayable, because he's on the depth chart and has gotten some snaps?), or the coaches because they've made some nonsensical, mind bottling decisions.
 

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