Make the change now

[Rage4CUSE]

We shot 86% from the line last night.

Nope, clearly it's the poor FT shooting that we lost all of these games. Red gives our players such fantastic set pieces on offense, and they suck and can't stick to his masterpiece.

 

[tptcuse]

I don’t profess it’s an easy decision. On the heels of the BC loss last night was even more rough. It’s definitely wins and losses but there were a lot of things last night that showed a team in a bit of disarray and lacking leadership. I’ve been against doing anything before end of year but last night has me wondering..,

That’s where I am. As far as not getting blown out, we haven’t played the best conference teams yet.

 

[FrozenWaves]

I think the Duke game should be the make or break on Red. He has an 8-game stretch that he needs to go 6-2 or better with at least 2 of those wins being against NC, Virginia, and Duke.

If he fails to achieve that mark you fire him right after the Duke game. Interim coach for the last 4 games and start the interviews.

 

[phil77]

I think the Duke game should be the make or break on Red. He has an 8-game stretch that he needs to go 6-2 or better with at least 2 of those wins being against NC, Virginia, and Duke.

If he fails to achieve that mark you fire him right after the Duke game. Interim coach for the last 4 games and start the interviews.

Its over

 

[dollarbill44]

Penn State fired Franklin early and ended up barely getting a solid coach. Just got a bunch of raises for other coaches on their wish list. I suppose if we want to do that to get other programs to give their coaches raises, that would be the BEST argument to make a move now. Make other programs use up resources.

They also had to deal with the interim coach (alum, I believe) going 4-4, winning a bowl game, and becoming a bit of a fan/player favorite. They ended up having to keep him on the staff with the new coach.

What if that happens here? Fire Autry... Griffin takes over... and the team looks better than they have all year... solid improvement, but not quite enough to make the Big Dance. Wins an ACC tourney game though. And then wins a few NIT games for good measure. Now that clean transition is not so clean.

The better move is to wait until there is clear certainty that there is not enough time for even an interim to show anything. Announce he is not being retained... let him finish out the year. Barring scandal, there is no reason to fire a coach with his much season left.

I'm not advocating one way or the other, but the simple answer to your interim coach scenario as AD is to have the stones to do what's best for the program and not cave into fan euphoria over a lame-duck interim. You can lay the groundwork during the firing presser that there will be a national search to find the best candidate - full stop. Keep repeating it over and over every time you're asked about the interim coach.

 

[Archbold44]

I'm not advocating one way or the other, but the simple answer to your interim coach scenario as AD is to have the stones to do what's best for the program and not cave into fan euphoria over a lame-duck interim. You can lay the groundwork during the firing presser that there will be a national search to find the best candidate - full stop. Keep repeating it over and over every time you're asked about the interim coach.

Since when do ADs have the stones to do what is best for the program? They are not GMs in the pros. They are at the mercy of the school leadership and boosters. When you need $20M a year from your boosters, you have to listen. And suppose the team REALLY goes on a tear... wins 10 straight. Now you have the fan base comparing that guy to the guy hired. It is just not worth it.

Announce it before the final home game to give him a good sendoff. I am sure that he would get some applause from the fans, etc. And G-Rob beat ND as a lame duck coach. So maybe they send him off with a win at home.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Settle down there Oscar.

That's what I thought.

Some of us actually care about the program more than rubbing elbows.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Ok. The point is that the team is competitive. The OP calls for making a change now. If we were getting blown out every game that might be a more supportable position. Like I said, at the end of the season it’s wins and losses.

The point is that "competitive" is unacceptable for Syracuse basketball.

 

[SUbear]

18k announced attendance. We used to get more than that at the exhibitions. I never thought I'd see a day where an in-conference game would bring that few fans.

I was there, and there was no way that 18k fannies were in the seats, less than 10k and the place was mostly like a morgue.

 

[grepal]

Nope, clearly it's the poor FT shooting that we lost all of these games. Red gives our players such fantastic set pieces on offense, and they suck and can't stick to his masterpiece.

Foul shooting is a familiar culprit but the turnovers have been bad the last 2 games

 

[RedtheGOB]

Since when do ADs have the stones to do what is best for the program? They are not GMs in the pros. They are at the mercy of the school leadership and boosters. When you need $20M a year from your boosters, you have to listen. And suppose the team REALLY goes on a tear... wins 10 straight. Now you have the fan base comparing that guy to the guy hired. It is just not worth it.

Announce it before the final home game to give him a good sendoff. I am sure that he would get some applause from the fans, etc. And G-Rob beat ND as a lame duck coach. So maybe they send him off with a win at home.

Well said. I know people want blood but damn it’s 6 more weeks of games. We play pretty much every 3 games now. It’s going to go fast now.

Hit up a lacrosse game. Hell call up Fran Brown and give him some portal advice.

Autry is cooked anyway so throw it on the boob tube and hope we screw over some teams we don’t like that about all there is now.

 

[SUbear]

It’s been declining steadily since before COVID. Now the drop-off is happening. And it’s a LOT harder to bring back season ticket holders than to keep them.

I have had seasons since 1975, my son manages them now, but

I have told him not to renew unless they change coaches. He agrees.

 

[grepal]

Well said. I know people want blood but damn it’s 6 more weeks of games. We play pretty much every 3 games now. It’s going to go fast now.

Hit up a lacrosse game. Hell call up Fran Brown and give him some portal advice.

Autry is cooked anyway so throw it on the boob tube and hope we screw over some teams we don’t like that about all there is now.

I want to win very badly. I miss the days when SU was a feared and respected opponent. That being said hoops gets me through these long Winters. I look forward to game days. I loved it when SU hoops ended and Red Sox baseball began

 

[dollarbill44]

Since when do ADs have the stones to do what is best for the program? They are not GMs in the pros. They are at the mercy of the school leadership and boosters. When you need $20M a year from your boosters, you have to listen. And suppose the team REALLY goes on a tear... wins 10 straight. Now you have the fan base comparing that guy to the guy hired. It is just not worth it.

Announce it before the final home game to give him a good sendoff. I am sure that he would get some applause from the fans, etc. And G-Rob beat ND as a lame duck coach. So maybe they send him off with a win at home.

 

[Scooch]

Then hire a Temu head coach. Makes no sense.

Oy. We know why Ref’s the HC. He won’t be in a couple months.

 

[CuseCPT]

Would consider five of our seven losses as being competitive, no? My point has nothing to do with overall record.
What is outrageous is thinking that plugging an interim coach in for 12 games serves any purpose other than placating the rabble. Potential replacement candidates are already being evaluated and other than an NBA assistant, media member or out of work college coach won’t be interviewed until after the season.

Placating the rabble? The NERVE of those peasants to demand competence and a quality product from something they are expected to support with money, time, and energy!

I want the school to show me they are serious about being a winning basketball program. That's the purpose of firing Red now. If we care more about paying lifetime honor debts to our former coach and his disciples, we are NOT serious about it. And that's fine. Convert the Manley back to our basketball gym and fully embrace our position as the colder Boston College, without the good seafood.

 

[kingtidge]

I want to win very badly. I miss the days when SU was a feared and respected opponent. That being said hoops gets me through these long Winters. I look forward to game days. I loved it when SU hoops ended and Red Sox baseball began

It took us over a decade to slowly slide into irrelevance and to bottom out to where we are right now...

Red is a Cuse legend, a nice guy, and (sadly) a very poor HC... What's another 6 weeks to wait and give him the end of the season at this point and in the big scheme of things??

I say that with the caveat and assumption that machinations for the new coach search are underway now in the AD's office and with whatever 3rd-party search firm that's been engaged on the D/L and working-up the list and engaging HC agent communications, etc. No quality HC is going to discuss publicly a move during the season (but you can bet that their agent will discuss it with shopping programs under NDAs and backchannel with their client on the DL...)

If that is not happening and we are going to wait until our new Chancellor situation is sorted out before we even talk to HC agents and/or targets... and we aren't prepared to strike while the iron is hot at the season's end, that will be VERY unfortunate.

I'll be honest, I am worried, as recent history has shown we make successive and compounding bad decisions with the basketball program. The chancellor situation could be another barrier to handling this next hire properly and efficiently. I really hope we have our ducks lined-up on this though, and knock it out of the park with this next hire.

 

[PhatOrange]

Games were also in and out in 2 hours. I looked at the clock at the final buzzer last night, 11:22 pm.

God bless those of you that go. No thank you.

and unless ESPN picked it up there were less games on TV back then so people had to go or they were listening to the radio.

These starts/finishes are too late for a mid week game and expect attendance. My parents had tickets forever, a game like last night puts them home at 12:30am on a Wednesday; and that's without weather.

I don't recall games being that late back then. Kids, babysitters, early mornings there's just no way now.

 

[grepal]

It took us over a decade to slowly slide into irrelevance and to bottom out to where we are right now...

Red is a Cuse legend, a nice guy, and (sadly) a very poor HC... What's another 6 weeks to wait and give him the end of the season at this point and in the big scheme of things??

I say that with the caveat and assumption that machinations for the new coach search are underway now in the AD's office and with whatever 3rd-party search firm that's been engaged on the D/L and working-up the list and engaging HC agent communications, etc. No quality HC is going to discuss publicly a move during the season (but you can bet that their agent will discuss it with shopping programs under NDAs and backchannel with their client on the DL...)

If that is not happening and we are going to wait until our new Chancellor situation is sorted out before we even talk to HC agents and/or targets... and we aren't prepared to strike while the iron is hot at the season's end, that will be VERY unfortunate.

I'll be honest, I am worried, as recent history has shown we make successive and compounding bad decisions with the basketball program. The chancellor situation could be another barrier to handling this next hire properly and efficiently. I really hope we have our ducks lined-up on this though, and knock it out of the park with this next hire.

The right thing to do is for we fans to treat him, the players and the program with respect.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

and unless ESPN picked it up there were less games on TV back then so people had to go or they were listening to the radio.

These starts/finishes are too late for a mid week game and expect attendance. My parents had tickets forever, a game like last night puts them home at 12:30am on a Wednesday; and that's without weather.

I don't recall games being that late back then. Kids, babysitters, early mornings there's just no way now.

Most SU games started at 8 PM.

Carrier Classic Doubleheaders would go 8 PM / 10 PM ish.

 

[MikeSU02]

Would consider five of our seven losses as being competitive, no? My point has nothing to do with overall record.
What is outrageous is thinking that plugging an interim coach in for 12 games serves any purpose other than placating the rabble. Potential replacement candidates are already being evaluated and other than an NBA assistant, media member or out of work college coach won’t be interviewed until after the season.

Five of our seven losses like Hofstra? BC? Etc?

Placating the rabble is how we got here in the first place.

 

[PhatOrange]

Most SU games started at 8 PM.

Carrier Classic Doubleheaders would go 8 PM / 10 PM ish.

Thanks for sharing. That's a big difference.

 

[RF2044]

Five of our seven losses like Hofstra? BC? Etc?

Placating the rabble is how we got here in the first place.

Amen.