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[Sdot]

Probably hard to know for sure as he can get deals from a variety of companies. I was told 2M for next year but suspect that’s the floor from official collectives This past year he was 600k (half of what Nebraska offered) as the base. That likely went up with what he got as other deals were added on top.

Fran works his ass off recruiting and so does the coaches but us fans and school need to be more open to our NIL not being good enough. Even if school can start paying players that just gonna raise the price on these guys…for example Oregon will have 20 million from there school and probably another 10-15 million just from boosters.

 

[ChrisCourt]

I need more popcorn………………….

 

[cali315phan]

I would think that would be a bit high for us. Other schools , yes. But what do you suppose out whole NiL budget is?

I think $3 is on the high side but within the realm of possibilities for total compensation. I don't doubt that Fran can get what's needed. We have proof now, not just "belief without evidence." Plus, profit sharing goes into effect this year.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Fran works his ass off recruiting and so does the coaches but us fans and school need to be more open to our NIL not being good enough. Even if school can start paying players that just gonna raise the price on these guys…for example Oregon will have 20 million from there school and probably another 10-15 million just from boosters.

It'll be interesting to see what actually happens when schools have to report deals and what they say vs. what gets handled separately.

The reality is that there will be the SEC and Big Ten schools, and then everyone else given the media deals. Hard to really overcome that sort of deficit unless you have some big donors pissing money away every year. I think it's more likely that the non SEC/Big Ten schools have to cut other sports and other expenses to make the budgets work.

Even at the SEC and Big Ten schools, I suspect there are a lot of administrations who dont want to have to do revenue sharing and allocate money from one pie to the players. It's a different change in philosophy that should hopefully accelerate the split of football from the rest.

 

[bnoro]

That may well be his dream. The question is, is the dream being offered? That is up for debate and nowhere as one-sided as your post suggests (not criticizing you personally). Draft selections are unpredictable even for those in the know. Given the QB's in front of him in most mocks, and given his strengths and weaknesses (in their estimation), there's an argument that $2M +/- is much more certain than rolling the dice in the draft. We know what the pay structure is for rounds 4-7: there's no guaranteed money; there is a signing bonus but the annual compensation is like less, and perhaps considerably less, than his likely NIL in college. Injury risks are co-egual. And he's also quite likely, by most analyses, to be relegated almost immediately to the bench. That will bring learning opportunities in the NFL, but also the prospect of being a groomsman but never a groom and a couple million dollars poorer for the privilege.

Everything I just said is being offered. Look at Joe Milton. 6th rounder to the Pats, played a great game Sunday, and that in itself will probably get him a second contract somewhere even if he doesn't play again/gets cut soon.

Kyle was a much better college QB than Joe Milton. We know his limitations. Scouts know his limitations. They also have evaluated him more than the "talking heads" and "draftniks".

Most of the draft folks just wait for a bigger name to break a report of who's impressing and then all of the sudden names shoot up the board, when in reality whatever scouting and proprietary analytics these professional teams are using are ranking them much higher than "the board" has them.

Kyle will most likely not be able to change any scout impressions by coming back to SU next season. All he will be able to do is make $2m in NIL. However, if he bets on himself, gets drafted in the 4th round (or higher) has one or two good games in preseason/spelling an injured player, long term he could make far more money.

So much could go wrong for him here next season. If his dream is to play in the NFL, he's going to bet on himself.

 

[PhatOrange]

Because I rate him as highly as everyone else on here.

For some reason he's a Heisman candidate if he comes back next season, but he "won't start" or even make a roster in the NFL according to some.

Things that make you go hmmmmm

 

[0.2 YNdeeR]

Everything I just said is being offered. Look at Joe Milton. 6th rounder to the Pats, played a great game Sunday, and that in itself will probably get him a second contract somewhere even if he doesn't play again/gets cut soon.

Kyle was a much better college QB than Joe Milton. We know his limitations. Scouts know his limitations. They also have evaluated him more than the "talking heads" and "draftniks".

Most of the draft folks just wait for a bigger name to break a report of who's impressing and then all of the sudden names shoot up the board, when in reality whatever scouting and proprietary analytics these professional teams are using are ranking them much higher than "the board" has them.

Kyle will most likely not be able to change any scout impressions by coming back to SU next season. All he will be able to do is make $2m in NIL. However, if he bets on himself, gets drafted in the 4th round (or higher) has one or two good games in preseason/spelling an injured player, long term he could make far more money.

So much could go wrong for him here next season. If his dream is to play in the NFL, he's going to bet on himself.

Joe Milton seems like a counterpoint to your post. He played college ball for 6 years, 3 with Michigan 3 with Tennessee. Therefore he's an example of someone that spent the extra year in school, not someone who chose to enter the draft. He's also 6-5, almost 250 pounds, and runs a 4.5 40. Kyle has his own strengths, of course, but the NFL is infatuated with big QB's that can run. That's one reason why Joe Milton looked so good Sunday and likely a big factor in the Pats' decision to bet on him in the 6th round.

Anyway you look at this, It's a closer call than your previous post made it out to be. That was my only point. Like all 'Cuse fans, I'd love to have Kyle back if his appeal was granted. Maybe it's time for the NFL and he's getting positive feedback from GM's. God bless. But he would arguably be making just as good a "bet on himself" by staying as he would by hoping for success via rounds 4-7.

 

[Red2003]

Yesterday people were buying tickets. Today people are talking themselves out of him staying for another year.

 

[bnoro]

Joe Milton seems like a counterexample to your post. he played college ball for 6 years, 3 with Michigan 3 with Tennessee. He's q seasoned guy partly because he chose to "stay in college". He's also 6-5, almost 250 pounds, and runs a 4.5 40. Kyle has his own strengths, of course, but the HFL is in love with big QB's that can run. That's Joe Milton.

I see your points but Milton doesn't support them. Anyway you look at this, It's a closer call than your previous post made it out to be. That was my only point. Like all 'Cuse fans, I'd love to have Kyle back. Maybe it's time for the NFL and he's getting positive feedback from GM's. WHo knows. But he would arguably be making just as good a "bet on himself" by staying as he would by rolling the dice in the draft.

I'd love to have Kyle back too. But the posts here about "betting on himself" and "taking the guaranteed money" by coming back to SU are just wild to me.

 

[Jake]

I said he will make $2.5 to $3 here if he comes back. Do you disagree or just your usual schtick?

The number I have heard is $1.5 from a couple of weeks ago. Have additional donors ponied up? Likely, another $1-$1.5M? Unlikely.

 

[SuFTW]

That may well be his dream. The question is, is the dream being offered? That is up for debate and nowhere near as one-sided as your post suggests (not criticizing you personally). Draft selections are unpredictable even for those in the know. Given the QB's in front of him in most mocks, and considering his strengths and weaknesses (at the pro level), there's an argument that $2M in NIL is far more certain than rolling the dice in the draft. We know what the pay structure is for rounds 4-7: there's no guaranteed money; there is a signing bonus but the annual compensation is likely less, and perhaps considerably less, than college NIL. Injury risks are co-egual. Indeed, by most analyses, the only thing guaranteed by the NFL is that he will be relegated to the bench. That will include practice and learning opportunities, but also the prospect of being a groomsman but not a groom -- and a couple million dollars poorer for the privilege.

I don’t think you can say injury risks are co-equal between his two choices and then say he will be relegated to the bench in the NFL. Hard to get injured holding the clipboard.

 

[CbusCuse]

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Everything I just said is being offered. Look at Joe Milton. 6th rounder to the Pats, played a great game Sunday, and that in itself will probably get him a second contract somewhere even if he doesn't play again/gets cut soon.

Kyle was a much better college QB than Joe Milton. We know his limitations. Scouts know his limitations. They also have evaluated him more than the "talking heads" and "draftniks".

Most of the draft folks just wait for a bigger name to break a report of who's impressing and then all of the sudden names shoot up the board, when in reality whatever scouting and proprietary analytics these professional teams are using are ranking them much higher than "the board" has them.

Kyle will most likely not be able to change any scout impressions by coming back to SU next season. All he will be able to do is make $2m in NIL. However, if he bets on himself, gets drafted in the 4th round (or higher) has one or two good games in preseason/spelling an injured player, long term he could make far more money.

So much could go wrong for him here next season. If his dream is to play in the NFL, he's going to bet on himself.

I don’t think “so many” things could go wrong to drop his draft projection. But Sure its possible it could go down a bit. I also think he could gain a lot of money in the draft by staying another year. If he gains a few spots in QB draft pecking order that could be A LOT of money. And he’s guaranteed a good payout this year in NIL. I don’t blame him if he goes, but staying another year has to be strongly considered as well. With NIL things are very different than just a few years ago.

And with the way he plays I also don’t think he is all that much of risk of getting a bad injury that will derail him.

 

[bnoro]

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I don’t think “so many” things could go wrong to drop his draft projection. But Sure its possible it could go down a bit. I also think he could gain a lot of money in the draft by staying another year. If he gains a few spots in QB draft pecking order that could be A LOT of money. And he’s guaranteed a good payout this year in NIL. I don’t blame him if he goes, but staying another year has to be strongly considered as well. With NIL things are very different than just a few years ago.

And with the way he plays I also don’t think he is all that much of risk of getting a bad injury that will derail him.

The QB draft pecking order will NEVER be weaker than this year. There's not a draft eligible QB on the list I'd take over Kyle.

 

[SuFTW]

He could get injured in practice or in mop up duty (if he's lucky enough to get drafted and find a situation). We had a guy (Cisco) who blew out a knee in pre-game warmups. You never know.

Of course he could, but it’s less likely if he’s not playing in games.

 

[SUFan44]

I would think that would be a bit high for us. Other schools , yes. But what do you suppose out whole NiL budget is?

The budget is going to increase substantially with the $20.5M revenue distribution. Keep that in mind.

 

[HtownOrange]

Yesterday people were buying tickets. Today people are talking themselves out of him staying for another year.

This is the Orange faithful. We are never content, have no patience, and demand perfection on a tight budget. All else is merely details. Posted for a friend...

 

[grepal]

I don’t think you can say injury risks are co-equal between his two choices and then say he will be relegated to the bench in the NFL. Hard to get injured holding the clipboard.

Paper cuts are injuries too.

 

[DPCuse]

The budget is going to increase substantially with the $20.5M revenue distribution. Keep that in mind.

NIL doesn’t come from the university. The conference revenue distribution is used to support the athletic programs costs. At this point, it isn’t used to pay athletes.

 

[0.2 YNdeeR]

Of course he could, but it’s less likely if he’s not playing in games.

Data is mixed on injuries in practice (more frequent) versus in games (more intense). But the benefit of playing another year in college, besides experience with difficult defenses, is that he's building a body of work - versus sitting on a bench and maybe getting mop-up duty. Milton looked great, but he stayed in school and seems like the outlier for backups.

 

[hoopsupstate]

It sounds like Penn State’s quarterback may enter the draft.

 

[Nick44]

It sounds like Penn State’s quarterback may enter the draft.

It’s Pedo State around here, not Penn State. They don’t deserve the respect after they knowingly harbored a pedophile for 40 years. Carry on.

 

[AZOrange]

NIL doesn’t come from the university. The conference revenue distribution is used to support the athletic programs costs. At this point, it isn’t used to pay athletes.

I don’t think you’re up to date on the current state of affairs. Schools will be able to rev share up to 20mm with athletes in all sports as part of ncaa antitrust settlement…

 

[Cusefan78]

I would think that would be a bit high for us. Other schools , yes. But what do you suppose out whole NiL budget is?

I heard if he comes back they will have around 7 million for football.

 

[AZOrange]

The budget is going to increase substantially with the $20.5M revenue distribution. Keep that in mind.

Has to be shared proportionally across all sports

 

[SuFTW]

Probably true. But the benefit of playing another year in college, besides maturity and experience with difficult defenses, is that he's getting experience and building a body of work - versus sitting on a bench and maybe getting mop-up duty. Milton looked great, but he stayed in school and seems like the outlier for backups.

Sure, but that’s a different claim than injury risk.