Mets 2019 Season Thread

[Briancuse]

Diaz last year: 1.96 ERA. lifetime: 3.14 This year: 5.32
Familia last year: 3.13 ERA, lifetime: 3.11 This year: 6.69

Much earlier in this thread someone said something about "normal fluctuations". There's nothing normal about what happened to these two this year. Can you imagine what the Met's record would be if they'd just performed to their career numbers?

If you take 6 or 7 blown saves off the total which would still be awful we would be playing for first place this week.

 

[MSOrange]

If you take 6 or 7 blown saves off the total which would still be awful we would be playing for first place this week.

Do the Braves get to take their blown saves off also? Their bullpen hasn't exactly been stellar

 

[SWC75]

If the pen wasn't the dumpster fire it was in the first half, the Mets would be the best team in baseball. That's not an exaggeration either. Diaz is quickly becoming a lost cause. When you're competing for a WC spot, his blown saves and losses add up quickly.

Yesterday's game summed up the Mets struggles. Poor pitching, poor defense and poor situational hitting. They have to start a new streak.

Diaz is 5-20 lifetime when he doesn't get the decision and 1-10 the last two years. In his first three seasons, he converted 109 of 121 save opportunities, (90%). This year he's converted 24 of 29: 83%- not really a huge change. His problems seem to come when the save is blown or when he comes in a tie game when he'll get the decision. He'd faced 775 batters going into his seasons and 20 of them had hit home runs (2.6%). This year he's faced 201 batters and given up 11 home runs. That's 5.5%. his walk and strike-out numbers haven't really changed at all. He's "wild in the strike zone".

Jeurys Familia hasn't been used in save situations this year so I can't make that type of comparison. In past years he's converted 124 of 150 save opportunities, 83%., the same as Diaz this year. He's actually 3-1 when he gets the decision and is 20-20 lifetime. he'd previously given up 16 home runs to 1,468 batters. 1.1%. This year he's given up 6 homers to 180 batters, 3.3%. In past years he'd walked 143 of 1,468 batters, (9.7%. This year it's 31 of 180, 17.2%. His strike-out percentage is about the same. He's "wild outside the strike zone".

 

[Briancuse]

Do the Braves get to take their blown saves off also? Their bullpen hasn't exactly been stellar

Your BP should be better with the pickups of Greene and melancin the mets have blown an absurd amount of saves.

 

[MSOrange]

Your BP should be better with the pickups of Greene and melancin the mets have blown an absurd amount of saves.

Uh Greene has been so bad he's already been taken out of the closer role by the Braves and Melancon blew his first one as closer over the weekend. Mets have 22 blown saves and Braves have 20

 

[Briancuse]

Uh Greene has been so bad he's already been taken out of the closer role by the Braves and Melancon blew his first one as closer over the weekend. Mets have 22 blown saves and Braves have 20

I'm not saying the mets are better than the braves just pointing out that a few less blown saves and the mets would be a game or two out of first.

 

[cuse10]

The Braves pen issues don't compare to the Mets. The pen has blown something like 20+ leads this season. That's an absurd amount. If they held the lead in half of them, the Mets are a 70+ win team at this point.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Mets VS. Braves Bullpens (Fangraphs)

ERA, FIP, xFIP

Braves: 4.36, 4.85, 4.80

Mets: 5.13, 4.92, 4.97

Both are bad. The Mets are just a little bit worse.

 

[SWC75]

Mets VS. Braves Bullpens (Fangraphs)

ERA, FIP, xFIP

Braves: 4.36, 4.85, 4.80

Mets: 5.13, 4.92, 4.97

Both are bad. The Mets are just a little bit worse.

Comebacks are always exciting.

 

[SWC75]

I'm a big "stick with the starter" guy. Anytime both teams have the same goal, one of them is wrong. "let's get into the bullpen has always been the goal of the offense. they know that, other than the closer, (maybe), guys are in the bullpen because they aren't good enough to start and the bullpen is a "box of chocolates" - you never know what you are going to get. I remember Billy Wagner striking out the side against the Yankees on 10 pitches and then coming out with a 4-0 lead the next night to a standing ovation. Same guy. Same mound. Same ball. Same opponent. He couldn't get anybody out, blew the save and we wound up losing the game. You don't take out a guy after 6 innings when he's gotten 14 guys out in a row because the modern book says "go to the bullpen", especially when you've just had the guy bat. Everybody talks about the third time through the line-up but that's not the comparison. the comparison is the starter the third time through the line-up vs. the reliever you'd bring in the 7th inning.

That said, what happened to Lugo could just have happened in the 8th inning as easily as the 7th. Unless Mickey was going to go with Matz for a complete game, keeping him in would have just postponed it. So maybe it didn't matter. the shocking thing was that Lugo, who has pitched so well and well-rested, had absolutely nothing. He was Wagner that next night against the Yankees.

Who can we turn to?

 

[OttoMets]

That's sad, Al Jackson died. Al Jackson, Pitching Star of Woeful 1960s Mets, Is Dead at 83

This is an incredible paragraph, though:
"Jackson’s most remarkable outing came at the Polo Grounds, the Mets’ home for their first two seasons, when he went all 15 innings against the Philadelphia Phillies, throwing 215 pitches, on the afternoon of Aug. 14, 1962. He gave up just six hits but lost, 3-1, when the Phils rallied for a pair of runs after a two-base error by first baseman Marv Throneberry, known derisively as Marvelous Marv for his fielding and baserunning mishaps. "

215 pitches.

6-hit ball over 15! innings.

And an L. Because Marv Throneberry, of course.

All this is missing is an incoherent Casey Stengel quote. Classic Mets.

(BTW, baseball was better before guys in the dugout cared about pitch counts. And before guys in the front office had the guys in the dugout on puppet strings.)

 

[SWC75]

That's sad, Al Jackson died. Al Jackson, Pitching Star of Woeful 1960s Mets, Is Dead at 83

This is an incredible paragraph, though:
"Jackson’s most remarkable outing came at the Polo Grounds, the Mets’ home for their first two seasons, when he went all 15 innings against the Philadelphia Phillies, throwing 215 pitches, on the afternoon of Aug. 14, 1962. He gave up just six hits but lost, 3-1, when the Phils rallied for a pair of runs after a two-base error by first baseman Marv Throneberry, known derisively as Marvelous Marv for his fielding and baserunning mishaps. "

215 pitches.

6-hit ball over 15! innings.

And an L. Because Marv Throneberry, of course.

All this is missing is an incoherent Casey Stengel quote. Classic Mets.

(BTW, baseball was better before guys in the dugout cared about pitch counts. And before guys in the front office had the guys in the dugout on puppet strings.)

Wikipedia: "In one famous story, on June 17, Throneberry hit a triple against the Cubs, but was called out after Ernie Banks took a relay throw and stepped on second base. "Didn't touch the bag, you know, Dusty", Banks told umpire Dusty Boggess. According to the legend, Throneberry was called out at second and Stengel came out to argue the call, but he was told by the umpire "Don't bother arguing Casey, he missed first base, too." (In another version of the story, Stengel was told this by his first-base coach.) Stengel, after a pause, supposedly replied, "Well, I know he touched third base because he's standing on it!"[15] The next batter, Charlie Neal, hit a home run, prompting Stengel to come out of the dugout following him and pointing at all four bases. Throneberry's mistake proved costly, as the Cubs won the game 8–7."

Also: "In the second game of a June 22 doubleheader with fellow expansion club, the Houston Colt .45's, Throneberry committed three of six Mets errors." I guess that's a Marv Throneberry triple.

Marv Throneberry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Briancuse]

Lfgm what a win.

 

[SWC75]

Lfgm what a win.

Rooting for the Mets is actually fun. The Mets have won 26 of 35. That's more than a hot streak. That's who we are now.

If Wilson Ramos gets an infield hit, we are going to win that game.

I'd never seen a reliever blow a save with his fielding. You've got a blame ending double play ball and you (A) stand there, (B) take a couple of steps toward the plate and (C) start jogging toward first base. Then you are slower to field Ramos' bouncer than Ramos is going to first. Ugh and double Ugh. But good for the Mets!

 

[SWC75]

The New York Mets are 66-60 and a game and a half out of the second wildcard spot. These Mets are 26-10 since the All-Star break.

The Syracuse Mets are 67-61 and a game out of first place, (which they need to obtain because the one wildcard will have a better record had their divisional champion). These Mets are 25-14 since the All-Star break.

 

[MSOrange]

Lot of white the Mets have going on tonight

 

[SWC75]

Lot of white the Mets have going on tonight

It wasn't unusual in the old days.

 

[moqui]

 

[MSOrange]

The was a heck of a pitcher's duel last night. Fully expected it out of DeGrom but didn't see it coming from Folty. Wish these next two games were on national tv. NL East is turning into what it was expected to be at the beginning of the season with 4 solid teams and the Marlins.

 

[SWC75]

The was a heck of a pitcher's duel last night. Fully expected it out of DeGrom but didn't see it coming from Folty. Wish these next two games were on national tv. NL East is turning into what it was expected to be at the beginning of the season with 4 solid teams and the Marlins.

5 hits and no runs in 14 innings against 7 pitchers is paltry support even be DeGrom's standards. it was probably Jake's best performance of the year. the middle of the Mets line-up was 1 for 16.

Foltynewicz was good. Keith Hernandez said "All of a sudden they've got Don Newcombe ptiching out there." Later in the game Sean Newcomb was pitching out there!

 

[cuse10]

Gave two games away. Played some of their worst baseball of the year after the Alonso home run. Couldn't believe what I was seeing especially when JD pocketed the ball instead of throwing to third. They're managing to lose the good will they built considering how each game is a playoff game at this point. Between Wheeler reverting back to being the bad pitcher he's always been and their play recently, I'm not high on the upcoming week. Was going to go to the game tomorrow, but I'm saving my money and time.

 

[SWC75]

The Braves pick up Adeiny Hechavarria, Billy Hamilton and Francisco Cervelli off the scrap heap and they all make plays to beat the Mets. Without them, we'd probably have won those first two games.

 

[cuse10]

They'll be out of it by the end of the week at this rate. Awful baseball.

 

[SWC75]

They'll be out of it by the end of the week at this rate. Awful baseball.

Not-as-good-as-the-Braves baseball. The games were very competitive but with dominant pitching on both sides, ti comes down to taking full advantage of your opportunities and limiting the other team's opportunities and the Braves, who are a really good team, did a better job of it than the Mets, who had been doing that to everyone else. But it's not the Braves we have to catch and there will be another month left after this week.

 

[HakAttack]

I can’t understate how important this Cubs series is. Need to win 2 of 3 at minimum.