Miami Postgame

[IthacaMatt]

Remember when we looked at our conference schedule last month and talked about us having a pretty good chance of starting at least 6-1? That was adorable

Well, we thought these guys had some heart.

 

[tbonezone]

WE NEED REAL COACHING.

amen . something completely different. hire bernie fine.

 

[Cusefan95]

The attendance the rest of this year is pretty much done for.
But they don't want to embarrass him, and I get that, too.

Is it more embarrassing to be fired midseason, or to listen to the student section cheering for you to be fired at remaining home games?

I don’t think firing a guy midseason accomplishes much - but allowing him to coach the rest of year while he gets booed and jeered at is like waterboarding the poor guy. I’m ok with it since it feels like an appropriate punishment for his incompetence at coaching - but if I was Red I would celebrate being let go tomorrow. I still get paid, but can do it from my couch for a while - not a bad deal.

 

[IthacaMatt]

It’s ’tough sledding,’ getting through these threads these days, but seeing so many calls to fire Red “today/now,” I still haven’t seen the practical, realistic suggestion for who to install for the balance of the season. Did I miss it?

You're right, it won't and can't really happen.
It would satisfy some people, but they won't do that.
But this season is over.
Red is gone.
There will be "no meaningful games in March".

 

[Irishsecra1]

You know, Syracuse has not hired a coach on the open market in around 75 years in hoops.

In football, it has mostly been in-house promotions, too, until GRob.

And then after him, they went with an SU guy, and another in-house promotion of an assistant after he left.

Gerry is not remotely qualified for this job. Maybe in 5-10 years, but not at all right now.

We need a grown up coach who has succeeded at a couple different places, and has a solid history.

We don't need a flash in the pan guy who has been a head coach for only a couple years. We don't need anybody else's assistants.

WE NEED REAL COACHING.

If you read my post, I said I would have rather had Gerry than Red at the time.

At looking at how they have both done as head coaches, I stand by that.

Do I want to see Gerry as coach one day, Yeah.
But for everyone’s sake that is probably 10 years in the future.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Coleman not a fan of JJ

Before that he said it’s not the coaching to blame. I’d argue JJ and the coaching are both to blame, along with some other things.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Is it more embarrassing to be fired midseason, or to listen to the student section cheering for you to be fired at remaining home games?

I don’t think firing a guy midseason accomplishes much - but allowing him to coach the rest of year while he gets booed and jeered at is like waterboarding the poor guy. I’m ok with it since it feels like an appropriate punishment for his incompetence at coaching - but if I was Red I would celebrate being let go tomorrow. I still get paid, but can do it from my couch for a while - not a bad deal.

I totally get what you're saying. But think about this university.
They are so milquetoast. No way they fire him now.
None of the assistants are good enough to be head coach.
That tells you all you need to know about Autry.
He was afraid to have smarter people around him.
That's not a leader.

 

[IthacaMatt]

If you read my post, I said I would have rather had Gerry than Red at the time.

At looking at how they have both done as head coaches, I stand by that.

Do I want to see Gerry as coach one day, Yeah.
But for everyone’s sake that is probably 10 years in the future.

And I'm saying that hiring an inexperienced coach was a mistake, and would have also been a mistake if it had been Gerry OR Red.
Both would have been mistakes.

 

[baggerbob]

It’s not even just wildhack. The whole board is so inept and is behind on everything. NIL we were late as one example. Syracuse doesn’t run a college athletics like these other schools do and I still question why.

It's the fault of the leadership of the board and that isn't going to change anytime soon.
So I won't be surprised if we get another bad hire that fails. Until that changes expect this program to suffer. It's not up to JW or whoever the Chancellor is It's one or 2 board members at the top who if the don't approve then the hiring won't go through.

 

[LpoolNative]

Before that he said it’s not the coaching to blame. I’d argue JJ and the coaching are both to blame, along with some other things.

Horrible take by Coleman. Agreed tho. JJ is a huge issue. Sad we get a 5 star talent to transfer but has a horrible IQ. We can’t win

 

[dwilmont44]

You know, Syracuse has not hired a coach on the open market in around 75 years in hoops.

In football, it has mostly been in-house promotions, too, until GRob.

And then after him, they went with an SU guy, and another in-house promotion of an assistant after he left.

Gerry is not remotely qualified for this job. Maybe in 5-10 years, but not at all right now.

We need a grown up coach who has succeeded at a couple different places, and has a solid history.

We don't need a flash in the pan guy who has been a head coach for only a couple years. We don't need anybody else's assistants.

WE NEED REAL COACHING.

I bet they hire another young guy without much experience as a way to save money and tell us he's a total up and comer.

 

[DilemaCuse]

JW said meaningful game in March
We're not even getting meaningful games in January.
After BC loss I figured .500 in conference record at best. After 2 more home losses I don't think they are gonna be .500 overall

 

[baggerbob]

It’s ’tough sledding,’ getting through these threads these days, but seeing so many calls to fire Red “today/now,” I still haven’t seen the practical, realistic suggestion for who to install for the balance of the season. Did I miss it?

It's not going to make any difference, any good coach isn't going to come here, if they look closely at all the things that have gone on since 2014. The last time we were good, they will realize the stink originates outside the Athetic department, and no matter what the AD says he doesn't have the final say on things.

 

[Dinkyspond]

You're right, it won't and can't really happen.
It would satisfy some people, but they won't do that.
But this season is over.
Red is gone.
There will be "no meaningful games in March".

there might be no meaningful games in February FWIW

 

[DilemaCuse]

It's not going to make any difference, any good coach isn't going to come here, if they look closely at all the things that have gone on since 2014. The last time we were good, they will realize the stink originates outside the Athetic department, and no matter what the AD says he doesn't have the final say on things.

Hard to argue with most of that, I just hope it's truly not the case 100%

 

[IthacaMatt]

I bet they hire another young guy without much experience as a way to save money and tell us he's a total up and comer.

You're probably right. And they will get what they pay for.

 

[DilemaCuse]

 

[tbonezone]

Is it more embarrassing to be fired midseason, or to listen to the student section cheering for you to be fired at remaining home games?

I don’t think firing a guy midseason accomplishes much - but allowing him to coach the rest of year while he gets booed and jeered at is like waterboarding the poor guy. I’m ok with it since it feels like an appropriate punishment for his incompetence at coaching - but if I was Red I would celebrate being let go tomorrow. I still get paid, but can do it from my couch for a while - not a bad deal.

so are you like more ok with waterboarding or bugs under a magnifying glass ?
just asking for a ladybug friend about appropriate punishments. put the lotion on ?

 

[DilemaCuse]

I hope they are not talking about making Gmac coach whom they are both connected w from playing days

 

[DilemaCuse]

Is it more embarrassing to be fired midseason, or to listen to the student section cheering for you to be fired at remaining home games?

I don’t think firing a guy midseason accomplishes much - but allowing him to coach the rest of year while he gets booed and jeered at is like waterboarding the poor guy. I’m ok with it since it feels like an appropriate punishment for his incompetence at coaching - but if I was Red I would celebrate being let go tomorrow. I still get paid, but can do it from my couch for a while - not a bad deal.

Thats a good question

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Devo: "I'm still in good enough shape to jump on the table."

Melo: "I own the table."

 

[djorange1989]

Well, we thought these guys had some heart.

Yeahhh, imagine that right?

 

[dan7800]

Exactly why I sold my tickets for the rest of the season. No reason to continue wasting time money and energy to watch this team

Somebody bought them?

 

[djorange1989]

JW said meaningful game in March
We're not even getting meaningful games in January.
After BC loss I figured .500 in conference record at best. After 2 more home losses I don't think they are gonna be .500 overall

Not with the road schedule we have left. This team is dead

 

[CuseMan4]

Autry is a nice guy. Good family.

I was pretty vocal the minute he was hired. Never had the chops to be the coach here. It was evident. Wildhack took the easy road, gave Boeheim what he wanted. Year 1 it was even more evident Autry was not gonna work. Autry was a good player at Cuse, tbh his biggest problem as a PG was he was not a very high IQ PG. Usually you can tell a player is gonna be a good coach if they are a high IQ player and the leader of the team. Autry was not that

My BIGGEST thing is you take Year 1 to now Year 3. Autry has made the SAME mistakes time and time again in game. His rotations and substitution patterns, I’m not exaggerating when I say this….are the worst I have ever seen at the D1 level or higher. He has no feel for the game. You think after year 1 you can use the inexperience as an excuse but it’s year 3 and he’s stillllll making the same mistakes. He can’t use talent as an excuse….make no mistake here. This team is talented…if you put let’s say 2010 JB coaching this team. We are a legit sweet 16 threat or further. I mean that. This team is not coaches well, no discipline, offense is horrendous, rotations Autry use make no sense and kill any momentum any player has.

Moral of the story Autry should not have been the coach from Day one. He’s a fine assistant, probably wouldn’t even have him as my top assistant. He’d probably be my second assistant. His biggest value is recruiting. Never should have been the head guy here