Micron - Let’s try this again

[LeMoyneCuse]

Just to expand things a bit more, I agree with Capt. Tuttle that this rail line is really poorly located.

Why someone thought it would be a good idea to put rail lines on both sides of Onondaga Lake so long ago is beyond me.

The line has to connect to the main east-west line that runs through Syracuse. It you could move it now, the best place to run it would be alongside I81 from the east-west rail line, near the new train station, then follow I90 all the way up to just before Vine St, where it could attach to the existing line.

Run it on the edge of the largely vacant Lockheed property. Following the I81 right of way and the I90 right of way makes this relatively easy.

This would re-capture the shoreline on the east side of Onondaga Lake, allow for the path around the lake to be completed and make the awful bridge/accident waiting to happen finally go away.

This raises a bigger issue that goes well beyond the scope of this discussion.

The route in question is on this map from the 1890s and is likely much older than that. The reliance on infrastructure because it is there and not because it's particularly useful is a problem way beyond my paygrade.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Question re: the timeline. Why can't site prep begin now? We still have October and November before the ground freezes.

 

[0.2 YNdeeR]

This raises a bigger issue that goes well beyond the scope of this discussion.

The route in question is on this map from the 1890s and is likely much older than that. The reliance on infrastructure because it is there and not because it's particularly useful is a problem way beyond my paygrade.

Appreciate your deference ... any discussion of passenger rail service in a sports forum is bound to be reductive. But we don't have to be historians or transportation engineers to see the potential benefits. I hope our elected representatives are paying attention.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Appreciate your deference ... any discussion of passenger rail service in a sports forum is bound to be reductive. But we don't have to be transportation engineers to see the potential benefits. I hope our elected representatives are paying attention.

I love infrastructure and I love polite hypotheticals.

 

[anomander]

I might be impartial because i am childhood friends with Ryan McMahon, but this is a generational move for CNY. The quote he made me think of other business he brought to the area that people complained about. He loves CNY and wants to make it known for something positive and not just someone to make a sideways joke about .

 

[Cusefan0307]

I believe OttoMets may be plugged into the potential public transportation that may be included as part of this project. Hopefully he can chime in here.

 

[Roger N]

Billions (with a B) of dollars in incentives. That made them look seriously. The other stuff, water, electric, land, made it good for the business. The topper is that if you have good employment, this can be a really good place to live. (Initial housing costs are low, good-great schools, good public colleges and good-great private ones, 4 seasons of activities, 6 hours away from 8 major metropolitan areas, etc.). This will be like the movies where the cool kid figures out that under all of the outer layers, the weird girl is really attractive. Then everyone else becomes interested.
A huge, huge win for CNY. Regardless of their political stripes, the powers that be got together and gave what they needed to give to land this deal. (49 year PILOT is the longest I have ever heard of). There was no line in the sand by anyone. No worries about who gets credit. I am sure that models have been done, but the economic ripple effect that this will have is probably ten-fold, at least.
Those are three huge give always by the Governor/local governments in the last couple of years that have benefited central (Amazon) and western (Bills stadium) NY. It's nice to see that we count, too.

I watched all the YouTube videos on the Micron deal yesterday. They had one from Texas that was the main competitor of Syracuse. A sleepy town, about 25 miles from Austin. They wanted the Micron factory because their school district needs the money. I think that the Syracuse area has a lot in common with the Boise area and that was a main selling point.

 

[Orangello]

Question re: the timeline. Why can't site prep begin now? We still have October and November before the ground freezes.

The federal, state and local environmental review/permitting process alone to build a semiconductor fabrication facility anywhere in the U.S., can take close to one year. There are also massive substructures and support that must be designed and built before you ever see anything above ground. They may also likely be trying to designate the site as a foreign trade zone for tax purposes which is a massive endeavor.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Just received an email from SU on what this could mean for prospective students.

Higher tuition?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I might be impartial because i am childhood friends with Ryan McMahon, but this is a generational move for CNY. The quote he made me think of other business he brought to the area that people complained about. He loves CNY and wants to make it known for something positive and not just someone to make a sideways joke about .

He hit a home run here. He did it with foresight, perseverance and belief. He just launched himself into a bigger stage, if he wants it. Great job by him (and his team).

 

[SuFTW]

https://investors.micron.com/news-releases/news-release-details/micron-announces-historic-investment-100-billion-build-megafab

 

[Ringostar57]

When JMA is up in 10 years...I can envisage the Dome name changing to Micron Dome

 

[javadoc]

When JMA is up in 10 years...I can envisage the Dome name changing to Micron Dome

Let the bidding commence. As long as we don't have to change the team name to the Micronauts.

 

[sutomcat]

When JMA is up in 10 years...I can envisage the Dome name changing to Micron Dome

I haven't seen any evidence of them doing naming gifts for sports facilities. The Boise State football and basketball venues are, for instance, not named for them.

I could see them make a major gift to Syracuse University, especially if it helps develop their microelectronic engineering department. They endowed a professorship at RIT in 2006 in this area. They have made significant gifts to a number of colleges over the years, all technology related. They will probably look to beef up engineering departments in a number of upstate NY universities.

They appear to be truly committed to getting the under represented into STEM and I suspect they might get involved with the Syracuse City School district to develop some programs and provide incentives for kids that might want to study in this field. This is an area I predict they will spend some real money.

 

[orangenauburn]

I haven't seen any evidence of them doing naming gifts for sports facilities. The Boise State football and basketball venues are, for instance, not named for them.

I could see them make a major gift to Syracuse University, especially if it helps develop their microelectronic engineering department. They endowed a professorship at RIT in 2006 in this area. They have made significant gifts to a number of colleges over the years, all technology related. They will probably look to beef up engineering departments in a number of upstate NY universities.

They appear to be truly committed to getting the under represented into STEM and I suspect they might get involved with the Syracuse City School district to develop some programs and provide incentives for kids that might want to study in this field. This is an area I predict they will spend some real money.

I'm sure they could raid RIT as well

 

[PhatOrange]

Yeah, but isn't that because Los Angeles sucks water from there? That's a big part of Lake Mead's problems.

People live in the desert and expect to have green lawns.

 

[kingtidge]

This is great for central ny. It will be transformative for the area. I really hope SU gets in front and develops into a leading R and T university in the northeast.

My guess is SUNY Polytechnic will be expanding in /around Syracuse with satellite facility(ies) of their Nanotech Complex to support Micron.

That was a big feather that helped seal the deal with Global Foundries north of Albany - a nanotech college that can teach and train their future egineering hires.

Now where that facility may go and bundled with which university or College is the question...

• Syracuse University College of Engineering & Computer Science
• Expansion with new Nanotech facilities at the SUNY Polytech campus in Utica
• SUNY Oswego Electrical & Computer Engineering (dark horse, but nearby...)

In addition, OCC will need to add a certificate program in Semiconductor & Nanotech - this has also been essential to the Global Foundries operations in Malta, NY via the certificate program at Hudson Valley CC in Troy. A lot of the plant worker bees will need this certificate and training and the curriculum will be developed with Micron to meet their operational needs at the facilities in Clay.

 

[kcsu]

I haven't seen any evidence of them doing naming gifts for sports facilities. The Boise State football and basketball venues are, for instance, not named for them.

I could see them make a major gift to Syracuse University, especially if it helps develop their microelectronic engineering department. They endowed a professorship at RIT in 2006 in this area. They have made significant gifts to a number of colleges over the years, all technology related. They will probably look to beef up engineering departments in a number of upstate NY universities.

They appear to be truly committed to getting the under represented into STEM and I suspect they might get involved with the Syracuse City School district to develop some programs and provide incentives for kids that might want to study in this field. This is an area I predict they will spend some real money.

They will make major investments in Human capital dev.

 

[Cusefan0307]

My guess is SUNY Polytechnic will be expanding in /around Syracuse with satellite facility(ies) of their Nanotech Complex to support Micron.

That was a big feather that helped seal the deal with Global Foundries north of Albany - a nanotech college that can teach and train their future egineering hires.

Now where that facility may go and bundled with which university or College is the question...

• Syracuse University College of Engineering & Computer Science
• Expansion with new Nanotech facilities at the SUNY Polytech campus in Utica
• SUNY Oswego Electrical & Computer Engineering (dark horse, but nearby...)

In addition, OCC will need to add a certificate program in Semiconductor & Nanotech - this has also been essential to the Global Foundries operations in Malta, NY via the certificate program at Hudson Valley CC in Troy. A lot of the plant worker bees will need this certificate and training and the curriculum will be developed with Micron to meet their operational needs at the facilities in Clay.

SU and OCC will have their own programs. It‘s already in the works.

 

[kingtidge]

SU and OCC will have their own programs. It‘s already in the works.

SU isn't going to compete with the nanotech research facilities in Albany... they are huge and have years under their belt...

Computer chip maker's plan for $100 billion facility in Clay likely solidifies Albany Nanotech as the choice for a new billion-dollar national chip research lab

The announcement is a coup for New York state and Schumer, who has spent several years lobbying the world's largest chip companies to pick upstate for their latest factories

www.timesunion.com

I am Sure SU will build out some specialized nanotech tracks in the engineering college (and probably work with SUNY Nanotech in some capacities / create synergies in that regard) but I bet the SUNY Nanotech gets the bulk of the research labs and fabs. They already have the capability and experience and it was a big reason Micron chose upstate NY.

 

[rocklloyd]

Yeah, but isn't that because Los Angeles sucks water from there? That's a big part of Lake Mead's problems.

Unsure of where it goes but levels are down to drastically low levels. Finding dead bodies in 55 gallon drums, etc.

 

[All4SU]

No better time for a big investment in CNY. I may finally be able to fulfill my lifelong dream of opening a Pierogi Truck!

 

[All4SU]

As a resident of this area, I want sone real brain power put into long range community planning. And I’m not talking about a $10 million study to some consulting company to tell us what we already know. I mean a concerted effort by smart people (not politicians) to figure out how to improve and protect the aesthetic quality of the area, to deal with the influx of traffic, and to benefit the residents in quality of life. Our taxes will be going up. We deserve at least those things.

 

[All4SU]

Love this quote from the County Exec:

"They’re making their biggest bet they’ve ever made in their history on us, on our people, and that validates our community. It validates our values and most importantly, it validates our people. And our people need to get the chip off our shoulder that we’ve had on for three decades. It’s a new day. The future of this country is right here in our county."

I can tell you that the Chip goes back way more than three decades. War Memorial, anyone? Hotel Syracuse? Defeatism is woven into the fabric of the community in this region.

 

[orangenauburn]

Caughdenoy will most likely end up all new development, so addressing the road and infrastructure in that area should be something they start up sooner than later

As a resident of this area, I want sone real brain power put into long range community planning. And I’m not talking about a $10 million study to some consulting company to tell us what we already know. I mean a concerted effort by smart people (not politicians) to figure out how to improve and protect the aesthetic quality of the area, to deal with the influx of traffic, and to benefit the residents in quality of life. Our taxes will be going up. We deserve at least those things.