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More reminiscing...Doug Logan

OburgOrange said:
What were the circumstances of Logan leaving? I never knew the back story
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In an effort to save some money, the AD presented Doug Logan with a new contract reducing his salary.

At the time Doug's son was about to enter college. He was not in a position to negotiate down his price. At the same time WSYR presented Doug with a chance to host a football pre-game and post-game show that gave him a solid pay increase. Doug had no choice - he made the deal with WSYR.

Almost immediately, Jake came back to Doug with a contract that would not reduce his pay. He always wanted Logan back - he was simply negotiating.

But, it was too late - Doug had taken the job with WSYR.

Doug Logan was a great ambassador for Syracuse University and for the Football Program. He helped provide positive PR - was great in the community - and even helped with fund raising.

He was perfect for the role of Voice of the Orange.

It remains a real tragedy that he lost a job nobody wanted him to lose.
 
RoysRunts said:
Marines put the rest on the bench, no contest
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Few probably remember that Red Parton called SU Football play-by-play for the old Syracuse University Football Network during the 1960s and very early 1970s.

SU Football was huge back then. One could listen on WSYR with Joel - on WAER with the students - or on the Football Network.

Red Parton was a local treasure and a very good football play-by-play man.
 
OrangePA said:
In an effort to save some money, the AD presented Doug Logan with a new contract reducing his salary.

At the time Doug's son was about to enter college. He was not in a position to negotiate down his price. At the same time WSYR presented Doug with a chance to host a football pre-game and post-game show that gave him a solid pay increase. Doug had no choice - he made the deal with WSYR.

Almost immediately, Jake came back to Doug with a contract that would not reduce his pay. He always wanted Logan back - he was simply negotiating.

But, it was too late - Doug had taken the job with WSYR.

Doug Logan was a great ambassador for Syracuse University and for the Football Program. He helped provide positive PR - was great in the community - and even helped with fund raising.

He was perfect for the role of Voice of the Orange.

It remains a real tragedy that he lost a job nobody wanted him to lose.
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If someone offered my a contract to continue doing my job at a reduced salary, I’d assume they wanted me to leave and weren’t interested in negotiating. If that’s how this really played out, that was a really risky negotiating tactic by Jake. It should not be a surprise or disappointment when you take that big a risk in an opening negotiation and it doesn’t go the way you intended.
 
Cusefan95 said:
If someone offered my a contract to continue doing my job at a reduced salary, I’d assume they wanted me to leave and weren’t interested in negotiating. If that’s how this really played out, that was a really risky negotiating tactic by Jake. It should not be a surprise or disappointment when you take that big a risk in an opening negotiation and it doesn’t go the way you intended.
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It was an unfortunate miscalculation.
 
OburgOrange said:
So what actually happened?
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A few things about Doug: I worked with him twice. I was also close to folks in the AD at the time. I have heard from both sides on this, and both sides screwed up in the negotiations. Doug asked for things that, to that point, had never been asked of colleges and universities. Frankly, what he asked for is still rare in broadcast negotiations.

Doug is excellent with the public. He's an incredible ambassador for whomever he works for, whether Channel 9, TW Sports, or SU. I don't want this to come across as bashing anyone. Doug did some great things for me personally and also some equally shitty things. He is a prima donna and can be vicious with people he works with and for. It doesn't change that he is an amazing "face" for whatever organization employs him.

So Doug shot for the moon. He asked for things for himself and also a family member. The family member stuff was something the SU AD was dumbstruck over. He was asking for things that went beyond the purview of athletics, and if you know anything about Jake Crouthamel - you should know this: He was a crotchety SOB who ran a tight ship and chafed at anyone he didn't consider a "team player."

What OrangePA said above is correct. They did offer him a reduced salary to give him the other things he wanted from SU (which had to go through the board). At the time, his request was worth more than $150,000. The university decided that if they tried negotiating that, they would need him to reduce his salary. Essentially, you give up some green for the perks you're asking for.

Doug and Coach Mac had an excellent relationship that helped foster goodwill between him and Jake. At the time, Mac was widely beloved and advocated for Doug several times. It also helped that contract negotiations weren't happening, and Doug is great out in the community. He was a win-win for SU.

What I'm trying to say is neither side wanted it to end. Doug asked for the moon, and Crouthamel and others involved in the negotiations drew a line in the sand.
 
The thing that puzzles me is why would Jake start negotiations with a pay cut unless he really didn't want him back?
 
A Clockwork Orange said:
A few things about Doug: I worked with him twice. I was also close to folks in the AD at the time. I have heard from both sides on this, and both sides screwed up in the negotiations. Doug asked for things that, to that point, had never been asked of colleges and universities. Frankly, what he asked for is still rare in broadcast negotiations.

Doug is excellent with the public. He's an incredible ambassador for whomever he works for, whether Channel 9, TW Sports, or SU. I don't want this to come across as bashing anyone. Doug did some great things for me personally and also some equally shitty things. He is a prima donna and can be vicious with people he works with and for. It doesn't change that he is an amazing "face" for whatever organization employs him.

So Doug shot for the moon. He asked for things for himself and also a family member. The family member stuff was something the SU AD was dumbstruck over. He was asking for things that went beyond the purview of athletics, and if you know anything about Jake Crouthamel - you should know this: He was a crotchety SOB who ran a tight ship and chafed at anyone he didn't consider a "team player."

What OrangePA said above is correct. They did offer him a reduced salary to give him the other things he wanted from SU (which had to go through the board). At the time, his request was worth more than $150,000. The university decided that if they tried negotiating that, they would need him to reduce his salary. Essentially, you give up some green for the perks you're asking for.

Doug and Coach Mac had an excellent relationship that helped foster goodwill between him and Jake. At the time, Mac was widely beloved and advocated for Doug several times. It also helped that contract negotiations weren't happening, and Doug is great out in the community. He was a win-win for SU.

What I'm trying to say is neither side wanted it to end. Doug asked for the moon, and Crouthamel and others involved in the negotiations drew a line in the sand.
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I think we pretty much have the same story, though I have to admit, I was not directly privy to the Athletic Department's point of view. The bottom line is that both sides wanted Doug Logan to remain the Voice of the Orange - and everybody lost when that did not happen.
 
OrangePA said:
I think we pretty much have the same story, though I have to admit, I was not directly privy to the Athletic Department's point of view. The bottom line is that both sides wanted Doug Logan to remain the Voice of the Orange - and everybody lost when that did not happen.
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I always thought it sucked that the person on the radio call for the biggest SU moment of our lifetimes (2003 natty) was Mark Johnson who was just passing through for a couple years as a steppingstone job instead of a genuine Syracuse guy like Logan.
 
I met Doug Logan when he first arrived in Syracuse. I was playing golf in a charity event at Bellevue Country Club - yes I know, any time a course like Bellevue lets me play, it is an act of charity. Struck up a conversation with Logan at the bar about football recruiting and how I wished fans had access to more information. I’m sure he was just patronizing me. But he listened to what I had to say. Of course, that was before the Internet and Sports message boards where I get to say whatever I want.
 
Eric15 said:
I always thought it sucked that the person on the radio call for the biggest SU moment of our lifetimes (2003 natty) was Mark Johnson who was just passing through for a couple years as a steppingstone job instead of a genuine Syracuse guy like Logan.
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He was here just the one year. A bungee announcer. "Hello Everybody! Boing!"
 
A Clockwork Orange said:
A few things about Doug: I worked with him twice. I was also close to folks in the AD at the time. I have heard from both sides on this, and both sides screwed up in the negotiations. Doug asked for things that, to that point, had never been asked of colleges and universities. Frankly, what he asked for is still rare in broadcast negotiations.

Doug is excellent with the public. He's an incredible ambassador for whomever he works for, whether Channel 9, TW Sports, or SU. I don't want this to come across as bashing anyone. Doug did some great things for me personally and also some equally shitty things. He is a prima donna and can be vicious with people he works with and for. It doesn't change that he is an amazing "face" for whatever organization employs him.

So Doug shot for the moon. He asked for things for himself and also a family member. The family member stuff was something the SU AD was dumbstruck over. He was asking for things that went beyond the purview of athletics, and if you know anything about Jake Crouthamel - you should know this: He was a crotchety SOB who ran a tight ship and chafed at anyone he didn't consider a "team player."

What OrangePA said above is correct. They did offer him a reduced salary to give him the other things he wanted from SU (which had to go through the board). At the time, his request was worth more than $150,000. The university decided that if they tried negotiating that, they would need him to reduce his salary. Essentially, you give up some green for the perks you're asking for.

Doug and Coach Mac had an excellent relationship that helped foster goodwill between him and Jake. At the time, Mac was widely beloved and advocated for Doug several times. It also helped that contract negotiations weren't happening, and Doug is great out in the community. He was a win-win for SU.

What I'm trying to say is neither side wanted it to end. Doug asked for the moon, and Crouthamel and others involved in the negotiations drew a line in the sand.
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This ^^^. Doug wasn’t exactly a saint.
 
Eric15 said:
I always thought it sucked that the person on the radio call for the biggest SU moment of our lifetimes (2003 natty) was Mark Johnson who was just passing through for a couple years as a steppingstone job instead of a genuine Syracuse guy like Logan.
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Agreed.

Maybe my fondest recollection of a call was the radio broadcast when the Pats won their first Super Bowl in 2001. Gil Santos was the PxP guy and Gino Cappellitti was on color. Gil had been calling Pats games since the mid-60s. Gino was one of the original AFL Boston Patriots.

When Adam Viniatieri's kick sailed through the uprights for the win, Santos bellowed "it's good! it's good!" with his voice breaking just a little. Gino let out a "heyyyy, ha ha!" that was just an incredible release of emotion.

Those guys epitomized long-suffering Pats fans, and to this day it's wonderful to hear their call of that moment.
 
Scooch said:
Agreed.

Maybe my fondest recollection of a call was the radio broadcast when the Pats won their first Super Bowl in 2001. Gil Santos was the PxP guy and Gino Cappellitti was on color. Gil had been calling Pats games since the mid-60s. Gino was one of the original AFL Boston Patriots.

When Adam Viniatieri's kick sailed through the uprights for the win, Santos bellowed "it's good! it's good!" with his voice breaking just a little. Gino let out a "heyyyy, ha ha!" that was just an incredible release of emotion.

Those guys epitomized long-suffering Pats fans, and to this day it's wonderful to hear their call of that moment.
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Gil & Gino were the best. Same with Don & Jerry and Mike & Tommy. Boston fans have been spoiled with the hometown announcer talent up until recently.
 
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