NCAA threatens to boot the whole state of California if bill becomes law

[Cusefan0307]

Technically it's based on economic theory or concepts, mixed in with some market and financial aspects. Which I think is a little better then assuming nothing will change.

It's not economic theory when someone says boosters are going to pay players for providing no services.

It is when you are talking endorsements.

Who said nothing would change?

Boosters are paying players now. Rumor has it Andrew Wiggins was getting a 7 figure salary to play at Kansas anyway. This will just make it in the open and the schools(blue bloods) that are allowed to cheat will now have a bit more competition. The Blue Bloods can get away with everything now and the non-blue bloods can't.

 

[Alsacs]

It's not economic theory when someone says boosters are going to pay players for providing no services.

It is when you are talking endorsements.

Who said nothing would change?

Boosters are paying players now. Rumor has it Andrew Wiggins was getting a 7 figure salary to play at Kansas anyway. This will just make it in the open and the schools(blue bloods) that are allowed to cheat will now have a bit more competition. The Blue Bloods can get away with everything now and the non-blue bloods can't.

This law doesn't give boosters anymore of an advantage than now. Except if they wanted to waste a lot more money it would be visible instead of the dark money running rampant thru collegiate football and basketball.

Why would a booster give a kid an endorsement deal now and just not drop the bag of money they are doing now? It's trying to make the cheating less obvious become more regulated. Plus the kid would have to taxes on the endorsements whereas now the money drops are tax free.

Does anyone not believe Auburn paid Cam Newton's dad 200k? I mean its obvious a Mississippi State booster probably offered less and dropped a dime to the NCAA when Newton's dad took the Auburn deal.

 

[Cusefan0307]

This law doesn't give boosters anymore of an advantage than now. Except if they wanted to waste a lot more money it would be visible instead of the dark money running rampant thru collegiate football and basketball.

Why would a booster give a kid an endorsement deal now and just not drop the bag of money they are doing now? It's trying to make the cheating less obvious become more regulated. Plus the kid would have to taxes on the endorsements whereas now the money drops are tax free.

Does anyone not believe Auburn paid Cam Newton's dad 200k? I mean its obvious a Mississippi State booster probably offered less and dropped a dime to the NCAA when Newton's dad took the Auburn deal.

Agree with this and according to Mason on the BBall board he said a lot more players are getting paid than just 5 and high 4 star kids. It's more rampant than people here want to believe.

 

[Hoo's That]

I am not claiming that my numbers are totally accurate but at SU FB gets free tuition and room and board. Since they also have a team table I believe they can get some $ back on board. I sure there are many other freebies, but one must not forget a very robust tutoring program and healthcare.
Add this up and it is probably 70K or more. I played in the band (we also practiced) and did not get as much as a 4 oz bottle of valve oil. If these kids are getting such a raw deal no one is forcing them to stay or come to any school.
For those who’s interest is only a chance to be seen by the NFL and make some $ playing, there should be an NFL LITE league. Max time you can be in it is 3 years and whatever happens you are out and good luck in life.
Start really paying these kids and it will kill college football as we know it. But of course we could go to no football scholarships and play if you can make the team. Athletically it would be worse, but if all teams equal it might be just as fun.

Grants-in-aid (scholarships) for football and both basketball teams cover 100% of tuition, fees, room, board, and books. There is also an optional cash stipend that consists of the monetary difference between the posted costs for tuition, fees, room, and board and the Total Cost of Attendance (TCOA) figure filed with the US Department of Education. Training table meals would be covered under the provisions for board.

 

[reedny]

Grants-in-aid (scholarships) for football and both basketball teams cover 100% of tuition, fees, room, board, and books. There is also an optional cash stipend that consists of the monetary difference between the posted costs for tuition, fees, room, and board and the Total Cost of Attendance (TCOA) figure filed with the US Department of Education. Training table meals would be covered under the provisions for board.

That's a good list. in fact, the idea that the bargain you describe is a "rip-off" because a few hundred kids - who already benefit handsomely from the amateur model - feel 'entitled' to semi-pro pay is ludicrous.

 

[SU2NASA]

How much do you actually think boosters are going to "pay" for a new OL next season or a new kicker?

Whatever the market requires to get them.

You seriously think that alumni/boosters, that donate tens of millions to upwards into the hundreds of millions are not going to pay above-board for the services of players that gives their team the greatest chance to be successful?

Men and women are not donating to outlandish athletics facilities out of the goodness of their heart. You’re just replacing using facilities to attract recruits to using the cash directly.

 

[All4SU]

Money is not the root of all evil, but it makes pretty good fertilizer.

 

[HtownOrange]

Not if they use their name or likeness to sell it apparently. This is a tricky subject no matter what side you’re on, but I truly believe the intent is to maintain competitiveness and an even playing field across college athletics. Boosters and car salesmen have the potential to wreck it. That said, the NCAA should not profit from it.

Clarification: the student athletes can use his name and likeness for his own endeavors. He may not use them in conjunction with the school or team.

 

[SU2NASA]

Agree with this and according to Mason on the BBall board he said a lot more players are getting paid than just 5 and high 4 star kids. It's more rampant than people here want to believe.

And you don’t think that once it becomes legal that it won’t spread to anyone with athletic value? Those bags being dropped today are not for anyone’s marketing value. Once you make it legal, those bags are going to be dropped to anyone and everyone that a school wants - and purchasing the image rights is just going to be legal avenue.

 

[Cusefan0307]

And you don’t think that once it becomes legal that it won’t spread to anyone with athletic value? Those bags being dropped today are not for anyone’s marketing value. Once you make it legal, those bags are going to be dropped to anyone and everyone that a school wants - and purchasing the image rights is just going to be legal avenue.

I'm not sure what you're worried about. The blue bloods already play by different rules. The NCAA likes to penalize schools like Georgia Tech, but hey Alabama and Duke go pay your football and basketball players and we will look the other way. I mean FFS we got hit for giving Terrence Roberts a few hundred dollars at the YMCA from a guy not associated with the AD.

 

[SU2NASA]

I'm not sure what you're worried about. The blue bloods already play by different rules. The NCAA likes to penalize schools like Georgia Tech, but hey Alabama and Duke go pay your football and basketball players and we will look the other way. I mean FFS we got hit for giving Terrence Roberts a few hundred dollars at the YMCA from a guy not associated with the AD.

The disparity in recruiting is going to get exponentially worse. As I said, people will buy entire teams using likeness rights as the legal avenue. The value of your brand and the wealth of your alumni/boosters will become the biggest differentiator in recruiting.

Schools like Liberty will become national powers - Washington State could become a juggernaut if Paul Allen wants to open his checkbook.

The hypothetical about someone going out and buying a new offensive line - I guarantee it will happen. I know this for a fact because if I had the money, that’s exactly what I would do, and I’m not the only person that will think of it and take it to that logical conclusion.

I hope you have the same mindset as Otto, because I don’t think we have the financial resources as a fanbase to be competitive in that new landscape. Well, until I achieve multi-billionaire, that is.

 

[Alsacs]

Whatever the market requires to get them.

You seriously think that alumni/boosters, that donate tens of millions to upwards into the hundreds of millions are not going to pay above-board for the services of players that gives their team the greatest chance to be successful?

Men and women are not donating to outlandish athletics facilities out of the goodness of their heart. You’re just replacing using facilities to attract recruits to using the cash directly.

Boosters already drop bags. The CA Bill again just lets player make money in endorsements and sell their likeness for video games.
Stephen Ross isn’t going to buy recruits likeness for nothing.

Phil Knight might try to buy the likeness of somebody like Zion out of HS but those kids should make that money.
If kids got paid for their likeness schools could sell those players jerseys and both sides make money.

This stuff isn’t going to change the current system. The system already has plenty of cash bags being given.

Those players could get more while in college.

 

[Alsacs]

The disparity in recruiting is going to get exponentially worse. As I said, people will buy entire teams using likeness rights as the legal avenue. The value of your brand and the wealth of your alumni/boosters will become the biggest differentiator in recruiting.

The hypothetical about someone going out and buying a new offensive line - I guarantee it will happen. I know this for a fact because if I had the money, that’s exactly what I would do, and I’m not the only person that will think of it and take it to that logical conclusion.

I hope you have the same mindset as Otto, because I don’t think we have the financial resources as a fanbase to be competitive in that new landscape. Well, until I achieve multi-billionaire, that is.

How much do you actually think boosters will pay for non-5 star QBs or Basketball players.

Jake Long OL men aren’t going to be bought for their likeness. They aren’t worth anything. You think every recruit is going to be bought for their likeness.

When it’s the marketable players that will get compensation that outside sources want their to endorse.

 

[SU2NASA]

Boosters already drop bags. The CA Bill again just lets player make money in endorsements and sell their likeness for video games.
Stephen Ross isn’t going to buy recruits likeness for nothing.

Phil Knight might try to buy the likeness of somebody like Zion out of HS but those kids should make that money.
If kids got paid for their likeness schools could sell those players jerseys and both sides make money.

This stuff isn’t going to change the current system. The system already has plenty of cash bags being given.

Those players could get more while in college.

So you really think that with all of these bags being dropped today with absolutely no tie to image rights, that the only bags in the future will be tied to marketing value?

Ok then.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The disparity in recruiting is going to get exponentially worse. As I said, people will buy entire teams using likeness rights as the legal avenue. The value of your brand and the wealth of your alumni/boosters will become the biggest differentiator in recruiting.

Schools like Liberty will become national powers - Washington State could become a juggernaut if Paul Allen wants to open his checkbook.

The hypothetical about someone going out and buying a new offensive line - I guarantee it will happen. I know this for a fact because if I had the money, that’s exactly what I would do, and I’m not the only person that will think of it and take it to that logical conclusion.

I hope you have the same mindset as Otto, because I don’t think we have the financial resources as a fanbase to be competitive in that new landscape. Well, until I achieve multi-billionaire, that is.

There's a lot of wealthy Syracuse Alums. Now unfortunately they don't all like sports. Maybe they could use a players likeness though to help their businesses.

I think you are exaggerating a lot. You can only fit so many players on a football field, basketball court, and you have scholarship restrictions.

 

[SU2NASA]

How much do you actually think boosters will pay for non-5 star QBs or Basketball players.

Jake Long OL men aren’t going to be bought for their likeness. They aren’t worth anything. You think every recruit is going to be bought for their likeness.

When it’s the marketable players that will get compensation that outside sources want their to endorse.

I must have said at least 15 times in this thread that players are going to be bought with total disregard for caring about using their likeness.

If no one else is going to pay for a lineman, sounds like I can cut five $20,000 checks and fill a damn big hole in my team’s needs. Much more effective than cutting that check to the AD.

 

[SU2NASA]

There's a lot of wealthy Syracuse Alums. No unfortunately they don't all like sports. Maybe they could use a players likeness though to help their businesses.

I think you are exaggerating a lot. You can only fit so many players on a football field, basketball court, and you have scholarship restrictions.

I’m not sure why you keep thinking that people are only going to cut a check because they want to use their likeness. They’re cutting checks now and they get nothing for it.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I’m not sure why you keep thinking that people are only going to cut a check because they want to use their likeness. They’re cutting checks now and they get nothing for it.

It’s just like weed. People bought it when it was illegal and they buy it in states where it’s legal. The only difference is it’s out in the open.

If Adam Weitsman wants to pay Tommy Devito to be on a scrap metal commercial I am all for it.

 

[SU2NASA]

It’s just like weed. People bought it when it was illegal and they buy it in states where it’s legal. The only difference is it’s out in the open.

If Adam Weitsman wants to pay Tommy Devito to be on a scrap metal commercial I am all for it.

And if a Clemson booster wants to buy Andre Cisco’s likeness rights for $50,000 to transfer to Clemson, you’re all for it?

Or do you think those types of transactions won’t happen?

 

[Cusefan0307]

And if a Clemson booster wants to buy Andre Cisco’s likeness rights for $50,000 to transfer to Clemson, you’re all for it?

Or do you think those types of transactions won’t happen?

No I don't because Clemson will just go out and recruit other 4 and 5 stars...I'm done here. Our views on this aren't even on the same planet.

 

[Alsacs]

And if a Clemson booster wants to buy Andre Cisco’s likeness rights for $50,000 to transfer to Clemson, you’re all for it?

Or do you think those types of transactions won’t happen?

Yes to first question. No to the second. The players don’t get paid so if they get money while playing a collusion sport they receive no pay if a booster wants to be a moron go ahead and get the money.

Boosters aren’t going to do that though.

 

[Crusty]

The fact that you're avoiding facts makes it hard to take anything you've written too seriously. Replying to facts about what area of the country is going to be more willing to spend money on athletes, with the reply of California has more car dealerships, so they win is just silly.

Just responding to your contention that Alabama car dealers will spend untold amounts to pay players. That just isn't going to happen because the market (population) is just not that big.

 

[SU2NASA]

Yes to first question. No to the second. The players don’t get paid so if they get money while playing a collusion sport they receive no pay if a booster wants to be a moron go ahead and get the money.

Boosters aren’t going to do that though.

Seriously, why would any booster drop money on buying a better football team? What an outlandish proposition.

It’s amazing though the number of, what a lot of people would consider dumb investments, are made by people to whom money is no longer an object. Your idea of a dumb investment is someone else’s hobby.

 

[Crusty]

The interesting issue is that Alabama, Georgia, Texas and Florida better match California or lose the arms race

 

[qdawgg]

Just responding to your contention that Alabama car dealers will spend untold amounts to pay players. That just isn't going to happen because the market (population) is just not that big.

Your missing the obvious still. Being able to pay them to be in an advertisement is just so they can pay them to be at the school. They could care less of the actual marketing benefit of the student being in their commercial.

Either people still don’t get this or are just avoiding it because it doesn’t fit their argument. Either way, the economics are pretty simple so I’m done with this thread.