NCAA threatens to boot the whole state of California if bill becomes law

[All4SU]

Money~Greed~Corruption

 

[wooddoc]

Not a fan of this, at all. College ball is college ball. Will it reach into High School? Grammar/Elementary level? Pre-school? Ultrasound endorsements? Heck... maybe video of couples trying to conceive? Not a fan.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

College sports are supposed to be amateur. I think they should keep it that way for all sports but football, which is really the NFL minor leagues. If the NBA allows kids into the D League from high school, college basketball can be cleaned up and will no longer be a de facto minor league.

All non football athletes should get stipends for cost of attendance. On top of that they should get 10% of the non football TV contract and 10% of non football ticket sales. Because of Title IX every athlete is paid the same.

Football should just go full professional. A kid signs a five year contract with a buyout. So an NFL team or another college can sign that player away but you get compensation. Since the kids are professional they don’t have to attend class. They can enroll in classes if they wish but it is not required.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Not a fan of this, at all. College ball is college ball. Will it reach into High School? Grammar/Elementary level? Pre-school? Ultrasound endorsements? Heck... maybe video of couples trying to conceive? Not a fan.

It’s naïveté to believe it already hasn’t. How do many of these same kids that people worry about not getting paid in college get to switch high schools, many in different states or go to super expensive prep schools many also out of state? People worry about kids not having time to have jobs in college yet these same kids will willingly play for AAU teams, go to expensive camps throughout their high school/prep schools summers many out of state while other kids are working during the summer. This entire system starts well before college.

 

[rrlbees]

This.

What some people don’t seem to understand is that recruiting success is going to be along two factors:

1) Schools with brand value that the apparel companies will steer athletes toward

2) Schools with high net-worth alumni/boosters that are willing to buy image rights with complete disregard for marketing purposes

The argument that “players are getting paid now, so this will make it above board” is lazy. The number of players getting bags is few and far between, and predominantly the highest 5-stars. It’s tough to keep things quiet if you’re sending bags to 22 guys on a team.

Like I’ve said, this is going to open up effectively buying your entire team. Need a new OL for next season? Go buy the image rights for some new linemen. Got problems with your kicking game? Go buy yourself a placekicker.

Those apparel companies and what not, will replace the sneaker companies we see in b-ball. Or at least be along side them.

 

[TheCusian]

I think there's an exaggeration in how much will actually flow to kids, without market-value compensation for the likeness actually being used. The biggest recruits will still get the most money - bag/endorsement deals. If I had that kind of money, I'd rather invest in buildings that helps the program over a bunch of years.

I also think you'd have to have agents handle this stuff with contracts. How else are the rich booster guys and 18 year old kids not getting screwed? What happens when 5* star kid signs with Dabo and super rich Clemson guy - but then transfers out after 1 year because of a lack of playing time? Do they keep all that money?

Makes me think of the club/academy model for European soccer. It's free wheeling and odd to our NCAA sensibilities - but it's merit based.

 

[Crusty]

CFB attendance has peaked. Last year was the lowest in the last 22 years. TV viewership has also declined.

This California law comes against this background. CFB dollars are not a bottomless pit. Anyone buying a team will soon be running at a big loss. The notion that smart businessmen and women will throw endless dollars to buy a winning team seems unrealistic.

What is more likely is that illicit payoffs will come out of the shadows and become tax deductible.

Stay tuned.

 

[SU2NASA]

CFB attendance has peaked. Last year was the lowest in the last 22 years. TV viewership has also declined.

This California law comes against this background. CFB dollars are not a bottomless pit. Anyone buying a team will soon be running at a big loss. The notion that smart businessmen and women will throw endless dollars to buy a winning team seems unrealistic.

What is more likely is that illicit payoffs will come out of the shadows and become tax deductible.

Stay tuned.

How in the world is this unrealistic to you? One single booster paid for 13 players at SMU - and this is when it wasn't even legal. Who do you think is paying for players now?!? Kids are getting paid and there's no contract or value proposition attached except for committing to a school.

Don't you understand that for the person to whom money is no longer an object that this isn't an investment, it's a hobby.

To think that these are financial investment decisions solely and that the system won't be pushed to its furthest limits, is insanely naïve.

 

[RandomGuy]

Meet the bag man: 10 rules for paying college players

How to buy college football players, in the words of men who deliver the money.

www.google.com

Big schools are already paying them. Likeness allows the kids that are not being paid, to earn a couple bucks. Dunno if that means they're allowed to accept a ride from anyone, or get a free drink or dinner for "appearing " at an establishment, just know they can"t now.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Meet the bag man: 10 rules for paying college players

How to buy college football players, in the words of men who deliver the money.

www.google.com

Big schools are already paying them. Likeness allows the kids that are not being paid, to earn a couple bucks. Dunno if that means they're allowed to accept a ride from anyone, or get a free drink or dinner for "appearing " at an establishment, just know they can"t now.

FAKE NEWS

 

[Crusty]

How in the world is this unrealistic to you? One single booster paid for 13 players at SMU - and this is when it wasn't even legal. Who do you think is paying for players now?!? Kids are getting paid and there's no contract or value proposition attached except for committing to a school.

Don't you understand that for the person to whom money is no longer an object that this isn't an investment, it's a hobby.

To think that these are financial investment decisions solely and that the system won't be pushed to its furthest limits, is insanely naïve.

SMU really? Chump change. The T Boone Pickins of the world don't grow on trees. Perhaps more to the point is that money has it's limits in every sport. There are countless examples of big spending with consistently poor results. Texas and Michigan come to mind. How long do you think boosters will blow big bucks without commensurate results?

There are a finite number of starting positions virtually guaranteeing distribution of talent. Booster money can't change that.

Besides, the hobby money is not as ubiquitous as you suppose.

What is true is that California currently enjoys an advantage. Let's see what they do with it.

 

[RandomGuy]

FAKE NEWS

LOL...! All this bill does is put it above board.(of course the bagmen will still pay privately)
Smaller schools with no bagmen? Now those kids could make a couple bucks with appearances, not available to them before.

Folks just don't want other schools gaining an advantage, or their schools to lose $$(for an advantage).

The Cotton industry did not collapse after the Civil War. In fact, by 1870, the south produced more cotton than 1860.

The head of the ncaa, that coined the phrase "Student Athlete" has said that the NCAA has evolved into an indentured servant system.

I'm all for amateurism. I'd support a model that capped all coach salaries/employees and all spending, with no creative accounting. Give the rest to charity? Fine by me. That's amateurism. Have the schools play by the same rules as the players? Too funny.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

LOL...! All this bill does is put it above board.(of course the bagmen will still pay privately)
Smaller schools with no bagmen? Now those kids could make a couple bucks with appearances, not available to them before.

Folks just don't want other schools gaining an advantage, or their schools to lose $$(for an advantage).

The Cotton industry did not collapse after the Civil War. In fact, by 1870, the south produced more cotton than 1860.

The head of the ncaa, that coined the phrase "Student Athlete" has said that the NCAA has evolved into an indentured servant system.

I'm all for amateurism. I'd support a model that capped all coach salaries/employees and all spending, with no creative accounting. Give the rest to charity? Fine by me. That's amateurism. Have the schools play by the same rules as the players? Too funny.

Yeah, I know it's legit.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[TheCusian]

How in the world is this unrealistic to you? One single booster paid for 13 players at SMU - and this is when it wasn't even legal. Who do you think is paying for players now?!? Kids are getting paid and there's no contract or value proposition attached except for committing to a school.

Don't you understand that for the person to whom money is no longer an object that this isn't an investment, it's a hobby.

To think that these are financial investment decisions solely and that the system won't be pushed to its furthest limits, is insanely naïve.

By making it an above board operation, it opens athletes/bag men up to all kinds of litigation for the illegal version. If it's all then above board with contracts and paper trails - I think it can be regulated in a way to mitigate some of the damage to the sport and competition.

That all assumes that the NCAA or another governing body has real authority to make it all happen fairly. I think this is a pipe dream.

 

[SU2NASA]

SMU really? Chump change. The T Boone Pickins of the world don't grow on trees. Perhaps more to the point is that money has it's limits in every sport. There are countless examples of big spending with consistently poor results. Texas and Michigan come to mind. How long do you think boosters will blow big bucks without commensurate results?

There are a finite number of starting positions virtually guaranteeing distribution of talent. Booster money can't change that.

Besides, the hobby money is not as ubiquitous as you suppose.

What is true is that California currently enjoys an advantage. Let's see what they do with it.

California. Of all of the things you’ve said, that blows my mind the most. It’s like you looked at states by GDP and called it a day with absolutely no other critical thinking involved.

And if you think the biggest bag men are at Michigan and Texas, there’s no rationalizing with you.

 

[SU2NASA]

By making it an above board operation, it opens athletes/bag men up to all kinds of litigation for the illegal version. If it's all then above board with contracts and paper trails - I think it can be regulated in a way to mitigate some of the damage to the sport and competition.

That all assumes that the NCAA or another governing body has real authority to make it all happen fairly. I think this is a pipe dream.

When it goes above board, the bag men are going to be inconsequential.

We shall see.

 

[Hoo's That]

I just saw a post on the hard-core ND board that said the California schools all lobbied against the bill. Can’t vouch for validity.

 

[CuseOnly]

SMU really? Chump change. The T Boone Pickins of the world don't grow on trees. Perhaps more to the point is that money has it's limits in every sport. There are countless examples of big spending with consistently poor results. Texas and Michigan come to mind. How long do you think boosters will blow big bucks without commensurate results?

There are a finite number of starting positions virtually guaranteeing distribution of talent. Booster money can't change that.

Besides, the hobby money is not as ubiquitous as you suppose.

What is true is that California currently enjoys an advantage. Let's see what they do with it.

Money doesn't have it's limits in every sport. The NFL had to institute a salary cap, hockey same, baseball salary cap with penalties. Or owners would pay unlimited funds ala Jerry Jones to field the best team.

This doesn't change because it's college ball, it makes it even worse because billionaires have alma maters.

There is always someone that will pay to be a winner and believe it or not, there is virtually unlimited money out there for those that want to see their team win.

Anyone thinking otherwise is naive.

This will result in more indentured servitude of athletes too young to know when a contract is a bad deal when they sign.

Lawyers will benefit the most and kids will still get screwed, mark my words.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

You just touched the out of bounds line with that one. Ridiculous example.

You must think there is more money in Alabama than California.

They care about college FB more in Alabama.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

1) What's really "unrealistic" is trying to curtail cheating by adding tons of money; 2) Your claims about the value of player's image at the COLLEGE level are ethereal. Forget Zion. You could count special talents like him on one hand in a given year. The fact is, in all but the most exceptional cases, a college player's likeness is valuable only because that player is associated with a popular college TEAM. 3) Why trash an amateur system that provides incredible value for 599,992 ... because of a handful of players that want an extra bag? Its throwing out the baby with the bathwater. 4) if you want to sell your image - college is OPTIONAL. No one's forcing you. For BB prospects G-League is always looking for guys. And 5) athletes considering college have two options: a) they can take advantage of the amateur athletics model, get a free education and great coaching, and compete in front of thousands of fans on a national stage; or b) they can play for money. But they can't do both.

Well, you could say that almost no athlete's likeness has value unless he has been on team.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[cuse10]

It may have been said before, but this has nothing about doing what's "right". This is about putting California's flagship universities (Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA) back where they belong when it comes to football and basketball by giving them an advantage in recruiting with players being able to make money.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

It may have been said before, but this has nothing about doing what's "right". This is about putting California's flagship universities (Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA) back where they belong when it comes to football and basketball by giving them an advantage in recruiting with players being able to make money.

I can't decide if you're being cynical or just misguided.