NCAA threatens to boot the whole state of California if bill becomes law

[SU2NASA]

Getting paid by someone to not use your likeness > not getting paid for someone using your likeness

Everybody getting bags > a select few getting bags

Hey, I look forward to Michigan finally being able to blow Ohio State’s recruiting out of the water.

Don’t worry though, I’m working on making it to multi-billionaire to buy us that OL that SU so desperately needs. Maybe a WR or two as well.

 

[Hoo's That]

Schools don't act like non profits. Faculty and admin have a profit incentive The more the schools make, the higher the salaries.
Schools build up huge be endorsements they never spend - should be taxed.
There is too much candy on the table to be able to police bad actors so forget that.

The scholarships argument makes no sense when it comes to personal likenesses etc. The scholarships are for playing football not for surrendering their identities.

There is a fixed percentage of their endowment that all non-profits, not just colleges, must spend each year or it is taxed. Harvard has a huge endowment and they spend it on financial aid to the students. If your family makes less than $60K each year, you go to Harvard for free (provided you can get in). Few people pay the full freight at the Ivies.

 

[HtownOrange]

Hey, I look forward to Michigan finally being able to blow Ohio State’s recruiting out of the water.

Don’t worry though, I’m working on making it to multi-billionaire to buy us that OL that SU so desperately needs. Maybe a WR or two as well.

We will hold yo to this.

 

[Hoo's That]

USC has just as many car dealers and they have far more money than any you can find in Alabama.

And it will pretty much be just USC-w. I'd rate UCLA a maybe/here and there. The others like the smaller UCs and Cal States, Berkeley and Stanford, no way.

 

[SU2NASA]

And it will pretty much be just USC-w. I'd rate UCLA a maybe/here and there. The others like the smaller UCs and Cal States, Berkeley and Stanford, no way.

I just hope everyone is ready for Liberty as a national power.

 

[IDOC]

I am not claiming that my numbers are totally accurate but at SU FB gets free tuition and room and board. Since they also have a team table I believe they can get some $ back on board. I sure there are many other freebies, but one must not forget a very robust tutoring program and healthcare.
Add this up and it is probably 70K or more. I played in the band (we also practiced) and did not get as much as a 4 oz bottle of valve oil. If these kids are getting such a raw deal no one is forcing them to stay or come to any school.
For those who’s interest is only a chance to be seen by the NFL and make some $ playing, there should be an NFL LITE league. Max time you can be in it is 3 years and whatever happens you are out and good luck in life.
Start really paying these kids and it will kill college football as we know it. But of course we could go to no football scholarships and play if you can make the team. Athletically it would be worse, but if all teams equal it might be just as fun.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I am not claiming that my numbers are totally accurate but at SU FB gets free tuition and room and board. Since they also have a team table I believe they can get some $ back on board. I sure there are many other freebies, but one must not forget a very robust tutoring program and healthcare.
Add this up and it is probably 70K or more. I played in the band (we also practiced) and did not get as much as a 4 oz bottle of valve oil. If these kids are getting such a raw deal no one is forcing them to stay or come to any school.
For those who’s interest is only a chance to be seen by the NFL and make some $ playing, there should be an NFL LITE league. Max time you can be in it is 3 years and whatever happens you are out and good luck in life.
Start really paying these kids and it will kill college football as we know it. But of course we could go to no football scholarships and play if you can make the team. Athletically it would be worse, but if all teams equal it might be just as fun.

You couldn't get a bottle of valve oil but you were also free to get a job.

Or write a song and sell it on iTunes.

 

[Cheriehoop]

You couldn't get a bottle of valve oil but you were also free to get a job.

Or write a song and sell it on iTunes.

10 ways college athletes can get paid and remain eligible for their sport

From modeling to competing in other sports, athletes have options to bring in money while in school

www.cbssports.com

 

[Oakland]

Their identities are pretty much worthless if they aren't identified with a college. No one seems to understand this.

Schools don't act like non profits. Faculty and admin have a profit incentive The more the schools make, the higher the salaries.
Schools build up huge be endorsements they never spend - should be taxed.
There is too much candy on the table to be able to police bad actors so forget that.

The scholarships argument makes no sense when it comes to personal likenesses etc. The scholarships are for playing football not for surrendering their identities.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

10 ways college athletes can get paid and remain eligible for their sport

From modeling to competing in other sports, athletes have options to bring in money while in school

www.cbssports.com

It's amazing how contrived it all is.

 

[HtownOrange]

It's amazing how contrived it all is.

While I agree that it is difficult for an athlete to maintain a job, you may wish to review #s 9 & 10:

9. Outside employment. The NCAA allows players to have paying jobs. They may rarely have the time to do so, but it is permitted if the work is performed at an amount comparable to the going rate in that area for similar services. The payment isn't supposed to be due to athletic ability or publicity for the employer due to the athlete's presence. An athlete can be employed by his or university, another school, or a private organization to work in a camp or clinic as a counselor.

10. Self-employment. This NCAA rule still says an athlete may establish a business only if his or her name, photo, appearance or athletic reputation are not used to promote the business. But the NCAA now tackles this issue on a case-by-case basis and has said it will grant appropriate waivers if athletes have similar opportunities as other students for entrepreneurial aspirations. Most famously, Minnesota wrestler Joel Bauman tested the NCAA in 2013 by promoting that he was an NCAA wrestler on a music video he produced. Bauman declined to remove his name from any songs and eliminate any promotion of his status as an NCAA athlete. He got declared ineligible, a firestorm erupted, and he brilliantly turned the publicity into a marketing job.


As an aside, your prior comment that a band member may write a song and sell it on iTunes is an opportunity for open to athletes.

 

[NJCuse97]

While I agree that it is difficult for an athlete to maintain a job, you may wish to review #s 9 & 10:

9. Outside employment. The NCAA allows players to have paying jobs. They may rarely have the time to do so, but it is permitted if the work is performed at an amount comparable to the going rate in that area for similar services. The payment isn't supposed to be due to athletic ability or publicity for the employer due to the athlete's presence. An athlete can be employed by his or university, another school, or a private organization to work in a camp or clinic as a counselor.

10. Self-employment. This NCAA rule still says an athlete may establish a business only if his or her name, photo, appearance or athletic reputation are not used to promote the business. But the NCAA now tackles this issue on a case-by-case basis and has said it will grant appropriate waivers if athletes have similar opportunities as other students for entrepreneurial aspirations. Most famously, Minnesota wrestler Joel Bauman tested the NCAA in 2013 by promoting that he was an NCAA wrestler on a music video he produced. Bauman declined to remove his name from any songs and eliminate any promotion of his status as an NCAA athlete. He got declared ineligible, a firestorm erupted, and he brilliantly turned the publicity into a marketing job.


As an aside, your prior comment that a band member may write a song and sell it on iTunes is an opportunity for open to athletes.

Not if they use their name or likeness to sell it apparently. This is a tricky subject no matter what side you’re on, but I truly believe the intent is to maintain competitiveness and an even playing field across college athletics. Boosters and car salesmen have the potential to wreck it. That said, the NCAA should not profit from it.

 

[reedny]

They have been unable to clean up anything. Not going to happen so what you are asking for is not realistic.

Athletes likeliness are very valuable for themselves. Players value is determined by their play not the team they play for. Russell Wilson is a prime be example.

Change is coming whether anyone likes it or not.

1) What's really "unrealistic" is trying to curtail cheating by adding tons of money; 2) Your claims about the value of player's image at the COLLEGE level are ethereal. Forget Zion. You could count special talents like him on one hand in a given year. The fact is, in all but the most exceptional cases, a college player's likeness is valuable only because that player is associated with a popular college TEAM. 3) Why trash an amateur system that provides incredible value for 599,992 ... because of a handful of players that want an extra bag? Its throwing out the baby with the bathwater. 4) if you want to sell your image - college is OPTIONAL. No one's forcing you. For BB prospects G-League is always looking for guys. And 5) athletes considering college have two options: a) they can take advantage of the amateur athletics model, get a free education and great coaching, and compete in front of thousands of fans on a national stage; or b) they can play for money. But they can't do both.

 

[qdawgg]

USC has just as many car dealers and they have far more money than any you can find in Alabama.

The fact that you're avoiding facts makes it hard to take anything you've written too seriously. Replying to facts about what area of the country is going to be more willing to spend money on athletes, with the reply of California has more car dealerships, so they win is just silly.

 

[qdawgg]

People aren’t thinking right about this. Kids will be endorsed for businesses and businesses in certain schools markets. If schools have little fans, there will be less endorsing...

To some degree you are correct but people keep leaving out a lot of the equation that's right in front of them. If a fan has the money to get a player the college needs by providing advertisement revenue to that player, that fan is going to do that regardless of whether there is a benefit to that fans business.

The amount of fans a school has may not matter in some cases, the only thing that matters is how many boosters/donors the school has willing to drop money in different forms to get a player to that college. I'm sure there are a bunch of colleges with less fans than us that will have the ability to provide money for players to sign with them by providing marketing opportunities.

 

[Cusefan0307]

To some degree you are correct but people keep leaving out a lot of the equation that's right in front of them. If a fan has the money to get a player the college needs by providing advertisement revenue to that player, that fan is going to do that regardless of whether there is a benefit to that fans business.

The amount of fans a school has may not matter in some cases, the only thing that matters is how many boosters/donors the school has willing to drop money in different forms to get a player to that college. I'm sure there are a bunch of colleges with less fans than us that will have the ability to provide money for players to sign with them by providing marketing opportunities.

Yeah, I am sure Weitsman would throw his money around for us if that was the case.

 

[Ozcuse]

If you want a bag - go to the G-LEAGUE! But I still love ya, man.

You're on the football forum, bruh. What G-League exists for football?

Also players need to be 3 years out of high school to be eligible for NFL draft.

 

[Alsacs]

People are taking this to the extreme. Most people believe players get paid to go schools as it is now. That wouldn't go away with this bill. If boosters still want to buy recruits like they are now they still will.
This bill would allow players to make money on endorsements while maintaining their eligibility.
If boosters want to buy recruits likeness and give them endorsements before going to the school that is the boosters burning money and a win/win for both sides.

College athletes get the likeness used to promote games. They don't get paid for that. In pro sports they have unions which negotiate that stuff and players get royalties. It may not be a lot but they get some compensation for it.
Video games are where every player would get a little money as long as they signed their likeness. EA's college football was really popular it went away because of this.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

1) What's really "unrealistic" is trying to curtail cheating by adding a recruiting free agency and tons of money; 2) Your claims about the value of player's likenesses at the COLLEGE level are ethereal. Forget Zion. You could count special talents like him on one hand in a given year. The fact is, in all but the most extreme cases, a college player's likeness is valuable only because of that player's association with a popular college TEAM. 3) Why trash an amateur system that provides incredible value for 599,992 ... because of a handful of players that might get an extra bag? Its throwing out the baby with the bathwater. And 4) if you want to sell your image - college is OPTIONAL. No one's forcing you. The G-League is always looking for guys. Don't pretend to be a student on a popular team to max your value and then try to destroy the system for all the other (real) amateurs because you want your cake (college exposure and in some cases education) and eat it too (payola). That is the greedy formula your position is based on (nothing personal).

Why does the baby get thrown out with the bath water?

Institutions would still offer athletics scholarships. If that's the greatest value an athlete can extract from their talent, awesome.

 

[reedny]

You're on the football forum, bruh. What G-League exists for football?

Also players need to be 3 years out of high school to be eligible for NFL draft.

I mention that b/c most of the college-pay hype is about BB players. FB players already have a semi-pro option - they can go to an SEC school or OSU.

 

[reedny]

Why does the baby get thrown out with the bath water?

Institutions would still offer athletics scholarships. If that's the greatest value an athlete can extract from their talent, awesome.

B/c money, now an irritant and corrupting influence that generates enforcement (uneven and unfair as it is), would become the model. That would ruin amateur athletics, and for what, <500 athletes? When there are 600k benefitting from a cost-free education? Those are the numbers. Also, the "image" thing is a ruse - it'll become recruiting free agency in a hot second, legitimizing the black market lottery now being operated by dumb semi-pro, sports-worship schools (UK, Bama, etc). You don't clean up bags by making bags legal.

 

[SU2NASA]

To some degree you are correct but people keep leaving out a lot of the equation that's right in front of them. If a fan has the money to get a player the college needs by providing advertisement revenue to that player, that fan is going to do that regardless of whether there is a benefit to that fans business.

The amount of fans a school has may not matter in some cases, the only thing that matters is how many boosters/donors the school has willing to drop money in different forms to get a player to that college. I'm sure there are a bunch of colleges with less fans than us that will have the ability to provide money for players to sign with them by providing marketing opportunities.

This.

What some people don’t seem to understand is that recruiting success is going to be along two factors:

1) Schools with brand value that the apparel companies will steer athletes toward

2) Schools with high net-worth alumni/boosters that are willing to buy image rights with complete disregard for marketing purposes

The argument that “players are getting paid now, so this will make it above board” is lazy. The number of players getting bags is few and far between, and predominantly the highest 5-stars. It’s tough to keep things quiet if you’re sending bags to 22 guys on a team.

Like I’ve said, this is going to open up effectively buying your entire team. Need a new OL for next season? Go buy the image rights for some new linemen. Got problems with your kicking game? Go buy yourself a placekicker.

 

[Alsacs]

This.

What some people don’t seem to understand is that recruiting success is going to be along two factors:

1) Schools with brand value that the apparel companies will steer athletes toward

2) Schools with high net-worth alumni/boosters that are willing to buy image rights with complete disregard for marketing purposes

The argument that “players are getting paid now, so this will make it above board” is lazy. The number of players getting bags is few and far between, and predominantly the highest 5-stars. It’s tough to keep things quiet if you’re sending bags to 22 guys on a team.

Like I’ve said, this is going to open up effectively buying your entire team. Need a new OL for next season? Go buy the image rights for some new linemen. Got problems with your kicking game? Go buy yourself a placekicker.

How much do you actually think boosters are going to "pay" for a new OL next season or a new kicker?

 

[Cusefan0307]

This.

What some people don’t seem to understand is that recruiting success is going to be along two factors:

1) Schools with brand value that the apparel companies will steer athletes toward

2) Schools with high net-worth alumni/boosters that are willing to buy image rights with complete disregard for marketing purposes

The argument that “players are getting paid now, so this will make it above board” is lazy. The number of players getting bags is few and far between, and predominantly the highest 5-stars. It’s tough to keep things quiet if you’re sending bags to 22 guys on a team.

Like I’ve said, this is going to open up effectively buying your entire team. Need a new OL for next season? Go buy the image rights for some new linemen. Got problems with your kicking game? Go buy yourself a placekicker.

There's ZERO no data points to support your position and the best players are already going to the best schools. Your position and most people's position regarding this is completely based on theory...

 

[qdawgg]

There's ZERO no data points to support your position and the best players are already going to the best schools. Your position and most people's position regarding this is completely based on theory...

Technically it's based on economic theory or concepts, mixed in with some market and financial aspects. Which I think is a little better then assuming nothing will change.