NCAA threatens to boot the whole state of California if bill becomes law

[OttoinGrotto]

So you don’t think schools with big donor backing like ND, Alabama, Texas, etc wouldn’t be able to essentially pull in all the 4/5 star recruits? Basically create a more profound tiering system then what already exists.

Take what Babers has said recently with how Alabama can allocate crazy money towards a whole staff of former coaches just to break down game film. Then amplify that in a recruiting scenario. I don’t see any way that doesn’t produce significant gaps between schools.

Not that different then countries that have jumped from control economies to free market based economies in some way.

I'm saying they can only have so many players.

 

[qdawgg]

I'm saying they can only have so many players.

Gotcha. I get that part too. Still think it would create a bigger divide but also realize current system is b.s.

 

[Cusefan0307]

So you don’t think schools with big donor backing like ND, Alabama, Texas, etc wouldn’t be able to essentially pull in all the 4/5 star recruits? Basically create a more profound tiering system then what already exists.

Take what Babers has said recently with how Alabama can allocate crazy money towards a whole staff of former coaches just to break down game film. Then amplify that in a recruiting scenario. I don’t see any way that doesn’t produce significant gaps between schools.

Not that different then countries that have jumped from control economies to free market based economies in some way.

There’s a lot of companies that would endorse elite SU athletes in New York. You’re thinking far too small. Endorsements is where the money is.

 

[qdawgg]

There’s a lot of companies that would endorse elite SU athletes in New York. You’re thinking far too small. Endorsements is where the money is.

No, I think you’re overestimating one side and not the other.

 

[jncuse]

Here’s why the NCAA is really against it and I’m okay with them being against it for now...

California isn’t doing it to help the kids. This is a move to try to being recruits to the California schools that have been missing out on big time recruits. It’s just a giant ploy to help those schools make more money because they are missing out on Nattys recently and want a leg up on the recruits.

Until it’s ALL colleges, I’m against it and I believe that’s a large part of why the NCAA is against it

LOL, get real.

The NCAA has had had years to change the rule and could change it to make it equal fairly quickly. . The NCAA is not against it because it is only for certain colleges, its because they don't want it at all... ever.

 

[HtownOrange]

LOL, get real.

The NCAA has had had years to change the rule and could change it to make it equal fairly quickly. . The NCAA is not against it because it is only for certain colleges, its because they don't want it at all... ever.

The NCAA is made up of the member schools. Until the member schools want to change the rules, the NCAA will not want change the rules. Most member schools are losing money on their athletics department, they are not likely to vote anything that will cut revenue.

 

[Hoo's That]

The NCAA is made up of the member schools. Until the member schools want to change the rules, the NCAA will not want can not change the rules. Most member schools are losing money on their athletics department, they are not likely to vote anything that will cut revenue.

FIFY. The NCAA's HQ in India-noplace is not allowed to change any rule without permission from the member schools.

 

[Chip]

The constant voice of reason and entertainment weighs in.

 

[shandeezy7]

NY college athletes could earn money under one lawmaker’s proposal

The New York proposal mirrors legislation in California that has drawn sharp criticism from the NCAA.

www.syracuse.com

 

[NKR1978]

The constant voice of reason and entertainment weighs in.

So we should cap coaching salaries and football budgets? I think the guys who make millions of dollars to coach and get extra money to endorse shouldn't really have a say.

 

[Chip]

So we should cap coaching salaries and football budgets? I think the guys who make millions of dollars to coach and get extra money to endorse shouldn't really have a say.

If they’re asked about it, sure.

And yes, if I coached in the state of Washington, I’d have a pretty strong opinion of this being approved by the state of California. Has to be all or nothing.

The part about California having bigger problems is just classic and funny.

 

[RoysRunts]

Next they'll want Students

 

[Ozcuse]

The NCAA is made up of the member schools. Until the member schools want to change the rules, the NCAA will not want change the rules. Most member schools are losing money on their athletics department, they are not likely to vote anything that will cut revenue.

I think the issue that student athletes are not allowed to benefit on their own likeness is a bigger issue than billion dollar institutions making another million.

Also if you think that schools will receive less money when players start getting paid for likeness you are admitting that the players are getting ripped off by schools stealing their value.

 

[Ozcuse]

Hey guys I got an academic scholarship and I was able to work a job/get paid for my likeness (if it had any value).

Why should I or an Olympic sport athlete for that matter get special treatment that a revenue sport athlete shouldn’t? Isn’t that unfair to them?

 

[HtownOrange]

I think the issue that student athletes are not allowed to benefit on their own likeness is a bigger issue than billion dollar institutions making another million.

Also if you think that schools will receive less money when players start getting paid for likeness you are admitting that the players are getting ripped off by schools stealing their value.

Your argument holds no water. The kids are getting significantly more than most kids will make at 18, in fact, they exceed the average family income. What you are complaining about is that they don't make as much as you want them to make. I have been consistent in stating I personally agree with people making money off their likeness. I temper the comment with the reality that is Title IX. If schools lose money on sports they have to make it up elsewhere. Most schools lose money, jersey revenue is a part of the difference. If the revenue is lost, the new loss will also need to be made up from elsewhere. The easy fix is to cut other sports programs.

You don't like Title IX so change it. Otherwise, you are telling me to feel sorry for kids getting a free ride and a package with a full value which far exceeds the average family income as teenagers. Part of the whole gig for college athletes is they agree to be treated equal with all other athletes at their school.

Since you like the high horse, what are you not telling at the top of your lungs that military members provide infinitely more value than college athletes provide so under your argument you should be screaming endlessly until Congress votes them and veterans significant raises. We can all take points out of context but it does none of us any good. Athletes, just like the military members, know what they are agreeing to before they commit.

 

[Ozcuse]

Your argument holds no water. The kids are getting significantly more than most kids will make at 18, in fact, they exceed the average family income. What you are complaining about is that they don't make as much as you want them to make. I have been consistent in stating I personally agree with people making money off their likeness. I temper the comment with the reality that is Title IX. If schools lose money on sports they have to make it up elsewhere. Most schools lose money, jersey revenue is a part of the difference. If the revenue is lost, the new loss will also need to be made up from elsewhere. The easy fix is to cut other sports programs.

You don't like Title IX so change it. Otherwise, you are telling me to feel sorry for kids getting a free ride and a package with a full value which far exceeds the average family income as teenagers. Part of the whole gig for college athletes is they agree to be treated equal with all other athletes at their school.

Since you like the high horse, what are you not telling at the top of your lungs that military members provide infinitely more value than college athletes provide so under your argument you should be screaming endlessly until Congress votes them and veterans significant raises. We can all take points out of context but it does none of us any good. Athletes, just like the military members, know what they are agreeing to before they commit.

I’m not arguing against military members being paid more, please stay on topic.

Ok, I will say that military members should be able to profit off their likeness too! Oh wait, THEY ALREADY CAN!

You have not made a good argument why student athletes who risk their bodies and future careers to play sports and make billions of dollars for the NCAA and their respective schools should not be allowed to make money off their own likeness.

I had a full academic scholarship, I worked off campus as well and if for some reason a company wanted to pay for my likeness there was no reason they couldn’t. Olympic sport athletes also receive full scholarships and they are allowed to make money off their likeness. Kyler Murray received a 4.7 million baseball signing bonus and was still eligible to play football because it wasn’t “football money”. These rules are only in place for the revenue sports of football and basketball. How is this equal to other students and athletes?

You are arguing and confusing issues that aren’t relevant: payment from schools (this isn’t that) vs free market and title ix (this isn’t that) vs NCAA rules.

Also your “think of the other athletes!” argument is a fallacy. Other sports existed before billion dollar tv contracts and university apparel deals would continue to exist if this goes through.

What is your bias? Employed by ncaa or university? Have a daughter whose athletic scholarship is subsidized by football or basketball money? Some perverse satisfaction of white ncaa/college administration controlling black student athletes? Just don’t like change?

 

[orangecuse]

In regards to these guys being able to make coin off their "likeness," what does that encompass precisely? Them being able to sign an autograph for someone and get paid for it shouldn't be an issue at all. However, when it comes to merchandising, branding, novelty items, etc., there are various overhead costs, etc. associated with production of these products, not to mention licensing rights/fees,, etc. Are they willing to take on these expenditures in pursuit of being compensated for their likeness relative to same?

 

[Alsacs]

In regards to these guys being able to make coin off their "likeness," what does that encompass precisely? Them being able to sign an autograph for someone and get paid for it shouldn't be an issue at all. However, when it comes to merchandising, branding, novelty items, etc., there are various overhead costs, etc. associated with production of these products, not to mention licensing rights/fees,, etc. Are they willing to take on these expenditures in pursuit of being compensated for their likeness relative to same?

EA Sports wants to make a college football video game instead of them putting #13 at QB for SU. They would go and give DeVito a couple thousand of dollars and the QB for SU has DeVito as the last name.

Billy Fucillo wants to do a commercial with the SU BB basketball star. Said star can be paid by Fucillo and maintain his eligibility.

Nike/Adidas/sneaker company X wants to pay Zion or the next national college star do a March Madnes commerical while in college. Zion/Next superstar keeps his eligibility.

This is stuff we are talking about.
Why can Nick Saban do a All State commercial during college football games and Tua can't?

 

[Hoo's That]

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I had a full academic scholarship, I worked off campus as well and if for some reason a company wanted to pay for my likeness there was no reason they couldn’t. Olympic sport athletes also receive full scholarships and they are allowed to make money off their likeness. Kyler Murray received a 4.7 million baseball signing bonus and was still eligible to play football because it wasn’t “football money”. These rules are only in place for the revenue sports of football and basketball. How is this equal to other students and athletes?
{snip}

No, the rules are not in place just for that. The key thing is signing with an agent. Murray, Chris Weinke, and all the other pro baseball players that were allowed to play college football were able to do so because they did not sign with an agent. If you sign with an agent, you're ineligible in all NCAA sports. If someone was a superior football player and played golf on the some level of the PGA tour without hiring an agent and won money there, they could still play college football.

What always zaps people in football and basketball is that they hire an agent.

 

[Alsacs]

No, the rules are not in place just for that. The key thing is signing with an agent. Murray, Chris Weinke, and all the other pro baseball players that were allowed to play college football were able to do so because they did not sign with an agent. If you sign with an agent, you're ineligible in all NCAA sports. If someone was a superior football player and played golf on the some level of the PGA tour without hiring an agent and won money there, they could still play college football.

What always zaps people in football and basketball is that they hire an agent.

Scott Boras by the letter of the rules wasn’t Murray’s baseball agent he was his “adviser”.
Doing all the stuff an agent would do and then negotiated Murray’s deal with the A’s while being his adviser.

The NCAA has since amended the rules on agents and players for basketball can hire agents while they declare and can maintain their eligibility by following the new rules.

 

[SmilinBob]

NY college athletes could earn money under one lawmaker’s proposal

The New York proposal mirrors legislation in California that has drawn sharp criticism from the NCAA.

www.syracuse.com

Look out Pacific ocean here comes NY! They must have seen my "NY will tax it" post.

 

[upperdeck]

imagine if the NY law gets passed first and SU leaves the NCAA.. all that money spent on the Dome goes out the window

 

[Alsacs]

Here is the thing about the rule people ignore it helps pretty much every P5 school.

Syracuse could recruit a 4 star kid who would be able to sold on the idea if he came here he would be the bigger fish in a small pond and able to make some money in local endorsements rather go to Florida or Florida State and be just one of top guys getting that money if they become good.

This rule doesn’t help the teams with deep boosters it helps the kids.

 

[SU68]

I'm undecided on the subject, but remember that when legislators get involved in sports, it usually does not end well (see State of Connecticut).

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You are arguing and confusing issues that aren’t relevant: payment from schools (this isn’t that) vs free market and title ix (this isn’t that) vs NCAA rules.

Great job outlining this. People have a really hard time with the mix of issues, but there are clear dividing lines.