NCAA threatens to boot the whole state of California if bill becomes law

[manleyzoo]

Just waiting for the state to float off into the Atlantic (Pacific) any body of water far away...cant happen soon enough!

So you're saying you can't wait for the world's 5th largest economy to float away. FYI, California's share of the U.S. economy is roughly 15 percent.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

and this isnt just a single sport thing.. if some rich dude wants some D1 baseball team to be great he can just buy it now.

and as for using your likeness.. Even pros cant just go advertise their likeness anyway they want.

Exactly. Somebody wants a women's rowing team that's bonkers?

Awesome. Make it happen. Get paid, ladies.

 

[manleyzoo]

The bigger picture is this is a good step in the eventual takedown of the NCAA.

 

[HtownOrange]

Ja Morant helped Murray State make money.
They sold tons of merchandise.
Got tons of publicity and interest/applications for the school by his performances.

Why does the NCAA/Murray State care if Nike wanted to pay Morant while he is in college?
The school aren’t paying this money it’s private business.
Why should Nike be able to pay Murray State but not a player?
How do smaller schools lose here?
Morant could do a March madness commercial and everyone wins.

Your poi t is valid but it lacks full consideration. Mike already pays the schools money to be the schools brand. SU just re-upped with Nike. Now you are suggesting Nike pay more for each kid they want to endorse their products. In reality, Nike air will simply pay less to the schools, disincetivising the schools from passing your proposal.

Remember, the school's task is to keep all things equal for all athletes. See Title IX. Scheming a way around Title IX will have far reaching negative effects.

The issue is far more complex than a simple two or three line solution. I am for a system which awards the better players more revenue in lieu of the use of their name/likeness. However, focusing on the kid alone is never going to resolve the issue. Schools have a say, the NCAA, Nike/UA/etc. have a say and will talk with real dollars. The issue his not a simple issue in a vacuum, there are too many parties involved for this to be a simple decision. Denying the simple fact that athletes are getting a scholarship worth $65k, plus stipend, plus gear, plus special dining privileges, all tax free means these kids are getting the near the equivalent of $100k/ year. The average family household income is about $62K/year. The kids are already getting a significant benefit for playing sports. It's not as if they leave school with $250,000 in debt.

Changes will be made to the system but most likely, we will all be less than happy.

 

[HtownOrange]

I personally don’t get outraged as we all believe for the most part Kentucky and Duke are dropping bags of cash.

Players wouldn’t be going there every single year if something fishy wasn’t happening.

Your take is probably the real issue, as long as the people you want to get paid get paid, you are good with that. Ignore the fact that the system was designed to give non-football and men's hoops athletes an equal share. Character counts far more than making a quick buck.

I still wish the NCAA would have a reality check of where University grads by sport are 10, 25, and 45 years after school. How's many SEC "student athletes" are actually above a grunt or Frontline supervisor position? Anyway, the fundamental rule is that you approve of cheating, which, ironically, is something schools should be actively fighting. The rules are the rules. Change the rules if you don't like them but don't cheat before the rules are changed.

 

[chugg21]

and this isnt just a single sport thing.. if some rich dude wants some D1 baseball team to be great he can just buy it now.

and as for using your likeness.. Even pros cant just go advertise their likeness anyway they want.

That's already how it works. Any idea why Oklahoma State matters in football? Or how Penn State got a hockey team?

 

[chugg21]

What are the arguments against the CA bill that will allow for ALL student-athletes to have the same opportunities given to them which will allow them to be treated like the entire rest of the world in which they can be compensated at market value for being one of the best in their field.

How many kids does this even end up applying to? Using our school as an example, how many kids would have legitimate opportunities to profit? Maybe a dozen at most? Handful of football players and maybe the starting 5 of the bball team?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Equal in name. No one that isn’t a top ten spending school will be able to get a big name player. Georgia booster #907 will pay 100k to a player for his “likeness” if he plays for Georgia. How can georgia state gonna compete with someone like that

You’re really naive enough to think that isn’t happening right now?

 

[FloridaFan]

You’re really naive enough to think that isn’t happening right now?

I belive it should not be openly encouraged

 

[Cusefan0307]

I belive it should not be openly encouraged

Yeah well that already happens by the NCAA looking the other way. I predict it will change eventually and the people who don’t like it are on the wrong side of this argument. These guys aren’t even allowed to have jobs while they play. Pathetic.

 

[NKR1978]

Yeah well that already happens by the NCAA looking the other way. I predict it will change eventually and the people who don’t like it are on the wrong side of this argument. These guys aren’t even allowed to have jobs while they play. Pathetic.

Well having a 2nd job will interfere with their duties as a "student athlete."

 

[longislandcuse]

Good discussion on this..

 

[qdawgg]

The rich getting richer angle is when you view things from the perspective of the institution and their athletic program being the rich.

From the player perspective though, it's the poor getting richer

I'm viewing it from my perspective as a fan and the desire by me personally, to have the school I root for, have a chance to be competitive in the future. An open market system means my team is relinquished to bottom feeder.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I'm viewing it from my perspective as a fan and the desire by me personally, to have the school I root for, have a chance to be competitive in the future. An open market system means my team is relinquished to bottom feeder.

We are already where our market says it is. Duke basketball is paying players right now!!!! I’m sure Alabama football is too!!! The market is the market.

 

[qdawgg]

We are already where our market says it is. Duke basketball is paying players right now!!!! I’m sure Alabama football is too!!! The market is the market.

No, the market isn't doing anything close to what it would be doing if there were no boundaries. These schools still have to pretend there is nothing going on, the benefits kids may or may not be getting right now under the table is nowhere close to what it would be if all rules for paying players were taken off the table.

 

[Cusefan0307]

No, the market isn't doing anything close to what it would be doing if there were no boundaries. These schools still have to pretend there is nothing going on, the benefits kids may or may not be getting right now under the table is nowhere close to what it would be if all rules for paying players were taken off the table.

You don’t know this and the top schools are already getting the best players.

 

[qdawgg]

You don’t know this and the top schools are already getting the best players.

If players are getting any financial benefits right now under the current circumstances, it is not even close to what they could get if all rules were abolished. Not even close. That is an absolute fact.

 

[Cusefan0307]

If players are getting any financial benefits right now under the current circumstances, it is not even close to what they could get if all rules were abolished. Not even close. That is an absolute fact.

We are talking about the Olympics model. Not another professional league. People are flipping out over something this simple?

 

[Hoo's That]

The bigger picture is this is a good step in the eventual takedown of the NCAA.

So you long for the day that the SEC, Big XII, and B1G have more influence over recruiting and eligibility rules than they do now? Not me.

 

[qdawgg]

We are talking about the Olympics model. Not another professional league. People are flipping out over something this simple?

The Olympics model doesn’t have donors with big $ willing to spend millions a year to get players because this is their video game.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'm viewing it from my perspective as a fan and the desire by me personally, to have the school I root for, have a chance to be competitive in the future. An open market system means my team is relinquished to bottom feeder.

Personally, I'm comfortable making that trade for you.

Plus, everybody is so quick to assume the doomsday scenario for their team. No need to do that.

 

[qdawgg]

Personally, I'm comfortable making that trade for you.

Plus, everybody is so quick to assume the doomsday scenario for their team. No need to do that.

So you don’t think schools with big donor backing like ND, Alabama, Texas, etc wouldn’t be able to essentially pull in all the 4/5 star recruits? Basically create a more profound tiering system then what already exists.

Take what Babers has said recently with how Alabama can allocate crazy money towards a whole staff of former coaches just to break down game film. Then amplify that in a recruiting scenario. I don’t see any way that doesn’t produce significant gaps between schools.

Not that different then countries that have jumped from control economies to free market based economies in some way.

 

[baggerbob]

The schools aren’t paying football players.
You know how Nissan does those heisman house commercials.
If a freshman or sophomore wins the Heisman trophy they can’t do those commercials until they leave school.
As the NCAA won’t let them get paid and keep eligibility.
Under the CA law if a USC kid wins the Heisman they could get paid by Nissan do the commercial while still in college.

The NCAA treats players like a indentured servants. They should be free to make money off endorsements or their likeness.

People don't seem to understand the federal government started Title 9, and as long as that is in effect no players will get paid.

 

[Alsacs]

People don't seem to understand the federal government started Title 9, and as long as that is in effect no players will get paid.

How do college football players get drafted by MLB teams. Get signing bonuses and play professional baseball in the offseason then maintain their NCAA eligibility to play football?

The answer is.
The NCAA rules on amateurism so that student-athletes are only ineligible for a sport if they accept money for that sport.
The CA rule would allow players to get paid for their likeness or endorsements and keep eligibility.
Title IX has nothing to do with this.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

How do college football players get drafted by MLB teams. Get signing bonuses and play professional baseball in the offseason then maintain their NCAA eligibility to play football?

The answer is.
The NCAA rules on amateurism so that student-athletes are only ineligible for a sport if they accept money for that sport.
The CA rule would allow players to get paid for their likeness or endorsements and keep eligibility.
Title IX has nothing to do with this.

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