Nerlens (Louisiana) Noel announcement

[osullfam]

The logical move is Kentucky. Cal has the best better track record of preparing 5 star freshmen for the league.
Their whole program is geared toward one and done's.

 

[longislandcuse]

The logical move is Kentucky. Cal has the best better track record of preparing 5 star freshmen for the league.
Their whole program is geared toward one and done's.

So I guess every top 5 recruit is just guaranteed to Kentucky. Every team in the nation should just concede this sad fact. Bla bla bla. We have as good of a chance as UK for Noel, maybe even better with the relationships we have made. I keep forgetting it was Kentucky who landed Carmelo Anthony and won the Nat'l Championship with him, silly me.

 

[longislandcuse]

Trivia Question: Name me all the one and done UK players in the NBA that are better than Carmelo Anthony?

 

[jordoo]

Trivia Question: Name me all the one and done UK players in the NBA that are better than Carmelo Anthony?

None and they have had a lot of them. Cal's best product is probably Rose and the schetchiness around him made Memphis vacate that whole season.

 

[jdubs30]

The logical move is Kentucky. Cal has the best better track record of preparing 5 star freshmen for the league.
Their whole program is geared toward one and done's.

Right. Because if Tyreke Evans, John Wall, Derrick Rose or Brandon Knight came here they'd be horrible in the NBA right now.

JB does not usually go after for sure one-and-done's, but that doesn't mean he can't prepare them for the league. Noel could go to UK, Cuse, PC or Colgate and still be a top 3 pick when he declares for the NBA.

 

[edowd26]

Trivia Question: Name me all the one and done UK players in the NBA that are better than Carmelo Anthony?

memphis has derrick rose... he up there.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Really, nobody around him? I don't think you are going to win a battle of matchup the players us vs. them unless they wiff on both of their remaining 2012 targets.

Returning:

Kyle Wiltjer 6'9" Freshman - was a 2011 5 star recruit

They have 2012 commits from:

Alex Poythress a 6'8" 5 star PF (19th player overall according to rivals)
Willie Cauley 7'0" 4 star C (6th rated center)

and they are still in the hunt for:

Anthony Bennett 6'8" PF 5 Star (7th overall player)
Shabazz Muhammad 6'6" SF 5 Star (#1 overall player)

Rookie big men are unreliable. We've seen that enough to know over the years. So, they've got 3 big guys without Noel. That's it. Two PFs and 1 center. Hell, they NEED Noel just to have enough guys to practice 5 on 5.

 

[IthacaMatt]

He hasn't gone to PC or UK yet. I'd be surprised if he already knew.

I think an interesting point is that he's a New England kid. Kentucky is totally different; the people, food, culture, etc. Wonder if that will affect his thought process.

Well if he's announcing in 3 weeks, it's awfully likely that he has already made up his mind, barring unforeseen changes on his upcoming visits. Otherwise, why state an artificial time frame at all ? Why not say, I'm making up my mind when my mind is made up.

 

[cusetown1]

Well if he's announcing in 3 weeks, it's awfully likely that he has already made up his mind, barring unforeseen changes on his upcoming visits. Otherwise, why state an artificial time frame at all ? Why not say, I'm making up my mind when my mind is made up.

I thought the same exact thing.

 

[osullfam]

Trivia Question: Name me all the one and done UK players in the NBA that are better than Carmelo Anthony?

Your logic is impeccable. Carmello could have played for a nunnery and he'd still be the best.
Here's a question for you: How many 1st round NBA drft picks did SU and UK have in the past 2 years.
I'll save you the time, it was 1 and 7, respectively.
HofFCJB builds teams. Calimari has an annual show with different actors each year. I prefer JB's approach.

 

[pfister1]

Your logic is impeccable. Carmello could have played for a nunnery and he'd still be the best.
Here's a question for you: How many 1st round NBA drft picks did SU and UK have in the past 2 years.
I'll save you the time, it was 0 and 7, respectively.
HofFCJB builds teams. Calimari has an annual show with different actors each year. I prefer JB's approach.

You could at least get the answer to your question correct. Assuming you are talking about 2010 and 2011 we had one. Wes Johnson.

Assuming you are talking about 2010 and 2011 we had one. Wes Johnson. Kentucky had 6. I would not count Enes Kanter in their column...he never played at Kentucky.

Although, I don't necessarily disagree with your point.

 

[LennX6]

If we get Noel, and Melo and Dion stay * we would be rated 3rd in the NBA Atlantic Conference.


* IF, BIG IF

 

[EastCoast2]

I don't get the "going to UK will make you a higher pick" or "Calipari develops one and dones" theories. Did Rick Barnes make Kevin Durant? Rose, Evans, Wall, Knight would have all been top 5 picks out of HS. They'd be top 5 picks if they played at Mizzou, DePaul, Washington State. Why do some people think Cal turns marginal 4-star players into lottery picks? He doesn't. He's consistently given 3x the amount of talent as other top schools and plays the numbers game. If I coach Columbia next season and get Noel, Shabazz, Ashley, and Poythress, then 3 of them are lottery picks, am I the greatest developer of talent?

 

[Knicks411]

I don't get the "going to UK will make you a higher pick" or "Calipari develops one and dones" theories. Did Rick Barnes make Kevin Durant? Rose, Evans, Wall, Knight would have all been top 5 picks out of HS. They'd be top 5 picks if they played at Mizzou, DePaul, Washington State. Why do some people think Cal turns marginal 4-star players into lottery picks? He doesn't. He's consistently given 3x the amount of talent as other top schools and plays the numbers game. If I coach Columbia next season and get Noel, Shabazz, Ashley, and Poythress, then 3 of them are lottery picks, am I the greatest developer of talent?

I think it is more perception than anything else. (Though I would disagree he is "given" the talent). But also worth mentioning that there is usually a lot of playing time available for his awesome freshmen. We have 2 McDonalds AA who aren;t getting much run this year. (Granted they aren't as good as Anthony Davis, of course).

 

[Scotch]

Right. Because if Tyreke Evans, John Wall, Derrick Rose or Brandon Knight came here they'd be horrible in the NBA right now.

JB does not usually go after for sure one-and-done's, but that doesn't mean he can't prepare them for the league. Noel could go to UK, Cuse, PC or Colgate and still be a top 3 pick when he declares for the NBA.

Agreed. Nobody "develops" one and doners. Calipari offers them a high profile pit stop on their way to the league.

 

[Orangeyes]

There is no denying that players who go to play for Cal are somehow enriched for having done so.

 

[osullfam]

I think it is more perception than anything else. (Though I would disagree he is "given" the talent). But also worth mentioning that there is usually a lot of playing time available for his awesome freshmen. We have 2 McDonalds AA who aren;t getting much run this year. (Granted they aren't as good as Anthony Davis, of course).

Exactly. No worries about that pesky senior in front of you who's paid his dues.

 

[EastCoast2]

I think it is more perception than anything else. (Though I would disagree he is "given" the talent). But also worth mentioning that there is usually a lot of playing time available for his awesome freshmen. We have 2 McDonalds AA who aren;t getting much run this year. (Granted they aren't as good as Anthony Davis, of course).

Anthony Davis and Kidd-Gilchrist would start here and get 30 mpg.

 

[EastCoast2]

Also to be fair, I must say that JB did not "develop" Carmelo. Melo was ready to play in the NBA when he was at Towson Catholic.

 

[DCCuse]

Also to be fair, I must say that JB did not "develop" Carmelo. Melo was ready to play in the NBA when he was at Towson Catholic.

And to be fair none of Cal's one and dones were "developed" at UK. I could have coached them and they still would've been 1st rounders.

 

[EastCoast2]

And to be fair none of Cal's one and dones were "developed" at UK. I could have coached them and they still would've been 1st rounders.

Agreed, see my previous post.

 

[osullfam]

Speaking of SU and Kentucky, if we do happen to face off in a final, I think we're the team (outside Lexington) that every hoops fan in the world roots for. No mega stars, just a team that is more than the sum of it's parts.

 

[triplethrea]

Speaking of SU and Kentucky, if we do happen to face off in a final, I think we're the team (outside Lexington) that every hoops fan in the world roots for. No mega stars, just a team that is more than the sum of it's parts.

Outside Lexington and Bristol.

 

[HoustonCuse]

You could at least get the answer to your question correct. Assuming you are talking about 2010 and 2011 we had one. Wes Johnson.

Assuming you are talking about 2010 and 2011 we had one. Wes Johnson. Kentucky had 6. I would not count Enes Kanter in their column...he never played at Kentucky.

Although, I don't necessarily disagree with your point.

This is my point. Enes Kanter should count as much any of the others. Why is there this mythology that it is the program or the coach that is turning these guys into NBA draft picks. Carmelo would have been a lottery pick no matter which upper-half of D1 program he went to. Same with Durant, Rose, Wall, etc. Syracuse or Kentucky or anyone else is not turning those guys into NBA players. They were NBA players from birth. Kanter is the perfect example. Never played a second at Kentucky and is now in the NBA. It has nothing to do with the coach.

 

[pfister1]

This is my point. Enes Kanter should count as much any of the others. Why is there this mythology that it is the program or the coach that is turning these guys into NBA draft picks. Carmelo would have been a lottery pick no matter which upper-half of D1 program he went to. Same with Durant, Rose, Wall, etc. Syracuse or Kentucky or anyone else is not turning those guys into NBA players. They were NBA players from birth. Kanter is the perfect example. Never played a second at Kentucky and is now in the NBA. It has nothing to do with the coach.

Never suggested that the one year in college had much of anything to do with them becoming NBA players, but not sure why you would credit a school with a player's achievements if he never actually took the court there.