NET and KenPom Tracker 23-24 (SU = 84 3/9/24)

[blust2i3d4]

Many sites that report RPI have updated. After our win over Oregon, our RPI ranking jump from the 18th yesterday to the 12th. Purdue is still No.1 and Clemson is No. 2.

 

[Sbucketball]

Oregon is currently #51 in NET. Top 50 in neutral site games count as Q1. So this is a huge opportunity to steal what might be a Q1 win prior to ACC play, and it's a winnable game.

Update on NET and Kenpom:

Syracuse Kenpom: 96 --> 82
Syracuse NET: 91 --> 75

Oregon Kenpom: 39 --> 51
Oregon NET: 54 --> 76

As it stands, Syracuse is a Q1 game for teams coming into the dome (1-75 away is Q1). Steady progress for Syracuse. Helpful for the whole league going into conference play too.

 

[upperdeck]

Why should I watch it when I've always known it was a computer program with inherent problems? Its just something that is used as a crutch to help humans make a decision (most of whom aren't qualified to make, because they didn't watch enough games.) This stuff is fine for fans but should have no place in actually choosing the field. Computers are dumb, they are programed by humans, humans are flawed. I'd prefer a group of flawed humans make the decision rather than complicating the process.

yeah the computer love is pretty funny. Its still just a person making a decision.

 

[BigNastyJon]

Is it me or is the NET rankings aligning more and more with KenPom every year?

 

[jncuse]

yeah the computer love is pretty funny. Its still just a person making a decision.

Same

 

[Fly Rodder]

yeah the computer love is pretty funny. Its still just a person making a decision.

The decision being that they make adjustments to the algorithm based on the test fitting the results? That's a far cry from some crusty old coach (or worse) ranking teams with a quick eye test and points scored when there is zero chance they've watched all or even most of the eleventy million total games played every season.

 

[upperdeck]

The decision being that they make adjustments to the algorithm based on the test fitting the results? That's a far cry from some crusty old coach (or worse) ranking teams with a quick eye test and points scored when there is zero chance they've watched all or even most of the eleventy million total games played every season.

computers cant pick the results any better than humans in these sports. the issue I have with the computers is that it also adjusts the results on all games when all games are not made equal.. Its a good thing but also a flaw.

When you base results on what happened and not how it happened its a flaw.. The eye test is flawed as well for other reasons.

And I agree you need to watch more games to really be making the decisions and the computer takes some bias out of the decision while adding ones of its own.

No different than removing margin of victory from skewing results is good and bad. Sometimes a team is 10 pts better one gives up and it goes to 20.. Sometimes a team is 20 pts better lets up and it goes to 10.

And in bball fouling changes things.. you are down 3 foul several times and miss and lose by 12.. Most of the computers are not watching game flow to calculate this stuff.

 

[jdubs30]

 

[Orangezoo]

Quite an interesting schedule via Ken Pom to date. Niagara will be our weakest opponent all year I believe numbers wise. The ACC outside of Notre Dame, GT and the Ville is mostly in the top 100 in Ken Pom going into conference play which is a nice correction from last year too.


Ken Pom by game

UNH- 233
Canisius-183
Colgate-137
Tenn- 7
Zaga- 18
Cham NA
LSU- 107
UVA - 29
Cornell-115
Gtown -177
Oregon-51

 

[Eric15]

I know it doesn't matter but wow our RPI is currently 9th in the country. And UConn is 21. That couldn't possibly make less sense.

 

[blust2i3d4]

I know it doesn't matter but wow our RPI is currently 9th in the country. And UConn is 21. That couldn't possibly make less sense.

RPI is pure mathematics formula. There are no subject human or even computer tweaks to make the rankings close to their agenda.

 

[General20]

Update on NET and Kenpom:

Syracuse Kenpom: 96 --> 82
Syracuse NET: 91 --> 75

Oregon Kenpom: 39 --> 51
Oregon NET: 54 --> 76

As it stands, Syracuse is a Q1 game for teams coming into the dome (1-75 away is Q1). Steady progress for Syracuse. Helpful for the whole league going into conference play too.

We beat Oregon by 20 on a neutral court. We have the same record as Oregon. We've played a tougher schedule than Oregon. And we are ranked 31 spots lower on Kenppm. Not sure how anyone can take him seriously.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

However any of you feel about Ken Pomeroy, rest assured - I will see him in Hell.

 

[Knicks411]

No ranking/power rating system (computer or human) is perfect (really, what does that even mean?) but I do always laugh when like 75% of people's complaints about a specific metric basically boil down to "my team isnt ranked high enough"

 

[NorSyr66]

We beat Oregon by 20 on a neutral court. We have the same record as Oregon. We've played a tougher schedule than Oregon. And we are ranked 31 spots lower on Kenppm. Not sure how anyone can take him seriously.

....but we are headed in the right direction!!!1

 

[Sherman20]

...but we are headed in the right direction!!!1

Exactly. The last couple of years we started out in the 40s or 50s early on and then sank like a stone. Hopefully the players work hard at improving and we keep improving our KenPom and NET numbers this season. The preseason data on Cuse was sparse/not all that predictive.

 

[pearl31]

(just don't look at the espn bpi thing)

 

[OrlandoCuse]

We’re in a much better position after our non conference schedule this year than the past several years. Played a tough schedule and didn’t drop any games to bad teams while managing a couple of decent wins. Wish we could have grabbed a D1 win in Maui but at least those losses won’t hurt us. Get to 12 wins in the ACC and we should be in good shape for the NCAAT, especially if we can find a way to beat Duke or UNC along the way.

 

[IthacaMatt]

We’re in a much better position after our non conference schedule this year than the past several years. Played a tough schedule and didn’t drop any games to bad teams while managing a couple of decent wins. Wish we could have grabbed a D1 win in Maui but at least those losses won’t hurt us. Get to 12 wins in the ACC and we should be in good shape for the NCAAT, especially if we can find a way to beat Duke or UNC along the way.

I wouldn't have thought that possible a couple weeks ago, but they have improved a lot in the last 2 or 3 weeks. Looks much more like a team out there.

 

[Orangezoo]

I wouldn't have thought that possible a couple weeks ago, but they have improved a lot in the last 2 or 3 weeks. Looks much more like a team out there.

Need to get some more set stuff going with our shooters and using the lob inside early on in games and just better early offense in general.

Also Judah needs to be active on D more early in games or get a blow with JJ taking that role. Hoping if we get Chance back this year he can help a lot too.

We are sitting at 52 in Ken Pom defensively amidst a strong schedule so making progress there

 

[jordville]

 

[Sbucketball]

Tracking Vegas odds, I saw odds for Syracuse to make the tournament are currently at 30%. It was 16% prior to the Oregon game. The Pitt game will likely tell us a lot about the direction this team will go.

 

[blust2i3d4]

Tracking Vegas odds, I saw odds for Syracuse to make the tournament are currently at 30%. It was 16% prior to the Oregon game. The Pitt game will likely tell us a lot about the direction this team will go.

I recently see ESPN analyst talking about ACC. He said this year ACC has very weak middle to bottom teams. Teams in the middle can be selected to NCAA tournament depends if they can get wins from the top four. Unfortunately we play UNC and Duke early. We need a win from either more than a win from Pitt. Also I think Pitt will be suck this year. 2022 season is a one year wonder for them.

 

[Sbucketball]

I recently see ESPN analyst talking about ACC. He said this year ACC has very weak middle to bottom teams. Teams in the middle can be selected to NCAA tournament depends if they can get wins from the top four. Unfortunately we play UNC and Duke early. We need a win from either more than a win from Pitt. Also I think Pitt will be suck this year. 2022 season is a one year wonder for them.

We definitely need some sort of wins against Duke, UNC, Miami, Clemson (already lost opportunity on Virginia) and a Pitt win isn't helping nearly as much, but winning or losing the Pitt game next week will be a good indicator for the fans as to whether this team will find it in themselves to climb to the top of the middle of the pack in the ACC and compete for a tournament bid. Bottom of the ACC is very bad. I think the middle is better than the last two years, but not what it should be.

 

[Eric15]

We are starting to appear on BracketMatrix which is nice.

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