New ACC TV Deal

[HartbeatHusky]

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2011/09/26/Colleges/ACC.aspx

I'm just curious about your take on this article about the re-negotiated ACC TV deal. Not trying to flame or anything just wanted to get your honest thoughts about this. They are saying that it will possibly increase by as much as $2 M per school per year wich would be about $15 M. Not terrible but not great either considering that it's the same as the B12 and still behind the Big 10, SEC, and Pac 12. As a UConn fan I'd be thrilled for us to be in your position and looking at that type of money annually but I've got to ask you what do you think would happen if the BE holds you guys to the 27 months and next year when the contract goes onto the open market it becomes clear that you could make significantly more per year by staying in the Big East. Would you still think that the ACC is the best option for you? Do you even think such a scenario would be possible?

 

[All4SU]

It's not about how much money we can make this year or next year, or even the next year after that. It's about being at the table 25 years from now.

 

[TexanMark]

The BE is unstable, Cuse doesn't have tax payer money to get it through rough patches.

 

[orangenauburn]

15 vs 3.7. I take that in a heartbeat

 

[Chip]

It is my opinion that the change in revenue per school for the ACC's new deal will equal the total revenue per school in the Big East's new deal.

If not, then I've lost faith in every TV executive alive (sorry Scooch).

 

[HartbeatHusky]

15 vs 3.7. I take that in a heartbeat

Who wouldn't? I'm just saying if you guys are still stuck here next year when the BE goes to market nothing would stop NBC, Fox, or even ESPN from negotiating and letting the BE know that if you guys stay that the new BE contract would be even richer than that $15m Per. I know $1 or $2m wouldn't sway people but what about $5m or more. I would think that's the point where things would get interesting.

 

[Townie72]

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2011/09/26/Colleges/ACC.aspx

I'm just curious about your take on this article about the re-negotiated ACC TV deal. Not trying to flame or anything just wanted to get your honest thoughts about this. They are saying that it will possibly increase by as much as $2 M per school per year wich would be about $15 M. Not terrible but not great either considering that it's the same as the B12 and still behind the Big 10, SEC, and Pac 12. As a UConn fan I'd be thrilled for us to be in your position and looking at that type of money annually but I've got to ask you what do you think would happen if the BE holds you guys to the 27 months and next year when the contract goes onto the open market it becomes clear that you could make significantly more per year by staying in the Big East. Would you still think that the ACC is the best option for you? Do you even think such a scenario would be possible?

This is hard to follw. Is the suggestion that somehow the Big East is going to get a huge pay increase from a new contract because of the increase in the market value of all these contracts? And that SU and Pitt will still be playing in the Big East for 27 months. And that we would look at all these riches the Big East schools are getting and change our minds.

Well stranger things have happened. But the key to this would be just how much better the New New Big East Conference contract is going to be.

Are networks going to bid up the price for a Conference that includes Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Temple, UConn, Rutgers and Cincinatti? I don't think that's a very good inventory of games.

The New New Big East's attraction may be that they'll play any night of the week. So that will be where their value is.

The answer to whether SU would change is mind is almost certainly "No". Because the scenario of the NNBE having this huge payout is not going to happen.

 

[44PRIDE]

I'm just curious about your take on this article about the re-negotiated ACC TV deal.

Whether its this year, next year or the year after...the money will come. Since we only know life at $3m/year, I don't think any of us have a right to gripe if we get $14m instead of $15.5m per year.

Think of our situation like that 19 year old Trust Fund kid you knew in college. We're just waiting to turn 21 so we can cash into the account.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

This is hard to follw. Is the suggestion that somehow the Big East is going to get a huge pay increase from a new contract because of the increase in the market value of all these contracts? And that SU and Pitt will still be playing in the Big East for 27 months. And that we would look at all these riches the Big East schools are getting and change our minds.

Well stranger things have happened. But the key to this would be just how much better the New New Big East Conference contract is going to be.

Are networks going to bid up the price for a Conference that includes Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Temple, UConn, Rutgers and Cincinatti? I don't think that's a very good inventory of games.

The New New Big East's attraction may be that they'll play any night of the week. So that will be where their value is.

The answer to whether SU would change is mind is almost certainly "No". Because the scenario of the NNBE having this huge payout is not going to happen.

I agree. It's very unlikely. However, there is no guarantee that you guys will be gone before next season and with you and Pitt BE basketball will still be what it always has been and negotiations would begin on a new deal while you are still BE members. Without SU and Pitt there is no way the BE gets a better deal than the ACC but if you are still here next year I can't imagine a scenario where the networks don't at lest float a number for what BE would be worth if SU and Pitt don't go. I know I'm grasping as straws but I think there is a reason for the 27 month thing and this is it.

 

[SURules]

My honest opinion is that it doesn't matter what the New New BigEast TV contract is as 'Cuse is going to the ACC. UConn could very well be in the ACC at some point to if the UConn Admin and Gov. Officials don't cause too much trouble between then and now. Related to a new TV contract, what ever the ACC works out will be a HUGE increase over what we are getting now. The difference can fund many new projects that are desperately needed with facilities.

I feel for WVU, UConn, and Rutgers fans but I'm very happy that we are going to an all sports conference that is stable and geographically aligned.

 

[Townie72]

I agree. It's very unlikely. However, there is no guarantee that you guys will be gone before next season and with you and Pitt BE basketball will still be what it always has been and negotiations would begin on a new deal while you are still BE members. Without SU and Pitt there is no way the BE gets a better deal than the ACC but if you are still here next year I can't imagine a scenario where the networks don't at lest float a number for what BE would be worth if SU and Pitt don't go. I know I'm grasping as straws but I think there is a reason for the 27 month thing and this is it.

The 27 months is for the purposes of scheduling. It's not some "cooling-off" period to allow reconsideration or counter-proposals.

And the 27 months is unlikely to happen.

Once the NNBE picks the new schools they are going to want to get going on their new Conference.

And then there's the issue of fan behavior at games and all the associated unpleasantness that Universities hate with a passion. The pelting of the BC student bus by UConn students or fans is an example.

Pitt and SU hanging around does no one any good in the longer term.

If I were UConn or Rutgers, I'd be bending over backwards to be gracious and accomodating. They might be clenching their teeth as they smile. But the objective needs to be to showcase just how civilized the adminiatration, coaches, players and fans are.

The uglier the divorce, the worse it will be for the NNBE teams that think they might want to leave at some time in the future.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Except if espn says the BE is worth x w/o Pitt and SU and is worth x + y with them. They have set the minimum value for them. The BE loses that and the ACC gains it when the turnover happens


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[Orangello]

I agree. It's very unlikely. However, there is no guarantee that you guys will be gone before next season and with you and Pitt BE basketball will still be what it always has been and negotiations would begin on a new deal while you are still BE members. Without SU and Pitt there is no way the BE gets a better deal than the ACC but if you are still here next year I can't imagine a scenario where the networks don't at lest float a number for what BE would be worth if SU and Pitt don't go. I know I'm grasping as straws but I think there is a reason for the 27 month thing and this is it.

No network is going to pay a premium on the assumption that SU and Pitt might change their minds and decide to stay after they've publicly announced their intention to leave. That combined with the fact that you don't even know who the heck is going to be in this conference over the term of your contract.

Adios muchachos.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

No network is going to pay a premium on the assumption that SU and Pitt might change their minds and decide to stay after they've publicly announced their intention to leave. That combined with the fact that you don't even know who the heck is going to be in this conference over the term of your contract.

Adios muchachos.

It obviously would not be paying a premium based on an assumption. It would simply be a matter of letting all parties involved know what the per school payout would be if SU and Pitt decide to stay. Take it or leave it. I'm guessing it would have to be huge for you guys to stay but I don't see what would stop the conversation from happening if the schools can't get out of the Big East before 2012. If I was Marrinatto there is no way I'd let you go for next season. Not to be vindictive but simply as a matter of business.

 

[CUSEBB1]

I saw it mentioned once or twice that is was ESPN itself guiding this expansion crap.So i don't see them upping the Big East money if they was the ones steering Pitt/Cuse to the ACC.

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

I feel for WVU, UConn, and Rutgers fans
Not me.Those people never miss an opportunity to all over SU and its fans.If it were them going and us left behind,this board would look like rivals circa 04-08.One HUGE flamefest with their fans telling us how great they are and how much we suck.Nothing would make me happier than watching them all sink to MAC -Patriot level.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

I saw it mentioned once or twice that is was ESPN itself guiding this expansion crap.So i don't see them upping the Big East money if they was the ones steering Pitt/Cuse to the ACC.

I definitely agree with that. Even though ESPN is that devious I don't think they would up the money but NBC and or Fox might in an attempt to steal an intact Big East from ESPN.

 

[ithacat]

Who wouldn't? I'm just saying if you guys are still stuck here next year when the BE goes to market nothing would stop NBC, Fox, or even ESPN from negotiating and letting the BE know that if you guys stay they'd the new BE contract would be even richer that $15m Per. I know $1 or $2m wouldn't sway people but what about $5m or more. I would think that's the point where things would get interesting.

I guess I don't understand. Are you saying that SU and PItt could be worth an extra $12m/school to the BE, but only are worth an extra $1-2m/school in the ACC. Also, if SU and Pitt were worth that much more to the BE then why didn't the conference bend over backwards to accomodate SU and Pitt (and the other football/basketball stars: UConn, WVU, Louisville)?

This has been a very long wait for the ACC. I can't see anything (short of Notre Dame and Penn State and BC joining an all-sports eastern conference) changing the direction SU is heading.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

You guys have always been my second favorite team. I grew up near Dwight Freeney and was an SU fan for football before UConn moved up. It sucks to have to hate you now. That's just me though.

 

[CUSEBB1]

I have no beef with WV or UCONN .But the Snookies can rot in hell.Though with out Uconn or Snookie in the ACC, we could probably get some recruits that might otherwise be looking at UCONN or Snooki.So the ACC should take WV.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

I guess I don't understand. Are you saying that SU and PItt could be worth an extra $12m/school to the BE, but only are worth an extra $1-2m/school in the ACC. Also, if SU and Pitt were worth that much more to the BE then why didn't the conference bend over backwards to accomodate SU and Pitt (and the other football/basketball stars: UConn, WVU, Louisville)?

This has been a very long wait for the ACC. I can't see anything (short of Notre Dame and Penn State and BC joining an all-sports eastern conference) changing the direction SU is heading.

Not really. I'm saying that the ACC is still under contract so there is no incentive for ESPN to vastly improve their ACC TVdeal. The ACC can't take it to market for another 11 years. The article I posted says it may increase $2m more per school which would be about $15m per year. It even quotes Swofford as saying it may go to arbitration if ESPN won't increase it enough for their liking. I think the ACC would lose that battle because ESPN doesn't have to raise it substantially if they don't want to. I think a BE with SU and Pitt would definitely be worth more than $15m per school per year for NBC and Fox.

For the record, I feel like the BE screwed up big time. I hate BE leadership as much as the anyone for putting us in the situation.

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

I have no beef with WV or UCONN .But the Snookies can rot in hell.Though with out Uconn or Snookie in the ACC, we could probably get some recruits that might otherwise be looking at UCONN or Snooki.So the ACC should take WV.

Oliver Luck would rather play Army and Navy.I say let him.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Not really. I'm saying that the ACC is still under contract so there is no incentive for ESPN to vastly improve their ACC TVdeal. The ACC can't take it to market for another 11 years. The article I posted says it may increase $2m more per school which would be about $15m per year. It even quotes Swofford as saying it may go to arbitration if ESPN won't increase it enough for their liking. I think the ACC would lose that battle because ESPN doesn't have to raise it substantially if they don't want to. I think a BE with SU and Pitt would definitely be worth more than $15m per school per year for NBC and Fox.

For the record, I feel like the BE screwed up big time. I hate BE leadership as much as the anyone for putting us in the situation.

I'm not sure which "industry execs" are quoting the $2 million figure so not sure if that's a WAG or actually based in sound reasoning. Based on creating more content to cover you'd have to assume it would be worth at least that.

The other side of it, is a weakened (or non exsistant) BE makes all the current viable BCS conferences that much more valuable. If ESPN wanted to pay more for coverage of C-USA, etc. teams theyd already be doing that. Adding those teams to the Big East don't instantly make them must watch TV or add revenue it just fills slots to keep the conference treading water. ESPN should be willing to pay a bit more for premium content vs the alternative.

ACC adding Syracuse and Pitt at this point is likely more about giving them an out from their current ESPN deal. By adding 2 Swafford did the one thing that could to give he, and the lawyers he refered to, and chance to kill the deal all together and take it to the open market. Reading over that again you can see Swafford give lip service "sit down with ESPN and renegotiate as partners" but also "it could go to arbitration" in the same statement. I'm sure he has a number in mind and I'd be willing to guess it's not just a 10% increase otherwise it wouldve been penned and announced by now. The longer the BE is in limbo, the stronger his bargaining power becomes IMO. With the academies wanting no part of the BE now, and all the current members wanting out the ACC has run of the entire East coast (NE anyway). I'd expect something on par w/ the current SEC deal if not a bit better honestly.

 

[OrangePA]

Who wouldn't? I'm just saying if you guys are still stuck here next year when the BE goes to market nothing would stop NBC, Fox, or even ESPN from negotiating and letting the BE know that if you guys stay that the new BE contract would be even richer than that $15m Per. I know $1 or $2m wouldn't sway people but what about $5m or more. I would think that's the point where things would get interesting.

If the BE is to survive - and thrive - it must re-form as soon as possible in order to retain the automatic BCS bid into the future and to procure a solid TV deal.

The BE plans to add six football teams - a very good idea in my opinion. The East and West Divisions described yesterday on this board has great potential in my opinion.

In order to achieve that objective, the BE will necessarily have to let Pitt and SU go sooner rather than later.

 

[SWC75]

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2011/09/26/Colleges/ACC.aspx

I'm just curious about your take on this article about the re-negotiated ACC TV deal. Not trying to flame or anything just wanted to get your honest thoughts about this. They are saying that it will possibly increase by as much as $2 M per school per year wich would be about $15 M. Not terrible but not great either considering that it's the same as the B12 and still behind the Big 10, SEC, and Pac 12. As a UConn fan I'd be thrilled for us to be in your position and looking at that type of money annually but I've got to ask you what do you think would happen if the BE holds you guys to the 27 months and next year when the contract goes onto the open market it becomes clear that you could make significantly more per year by staying in the Big East. Would you still think that the ACC is the best option for you? Do you even think such a scenario would be possible?

If the ACC went to 16 and invited UCONN, would you take the deal?