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New Dome Locker Room

Cusefan78 said:
Believe those were donated or mostly paid for by one of the sponsors also. Pepsi if I was told correctly
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The rumor on the hill was gross threatened with the higher ups to switch to coca-cola unless Pepsi wanted to make a better offer.

Insert jumbotrons/ribbon board
 
Finwad32 said:
You can't use the surplus/revenues defense as to why this wasn't done bigger. You don't know what any money is earmarked for.

The surplus now could be bankrolling something else for the future. We've made significant upgrades across the board over the past 5 years. That has to be paid for. And it wasn't with the Big East $$. This is one piece of many. With much more coming. And that's just cosmetic. Let's not even discuss the increase to staff pay, which was horrendous in comparison to peers.

Furthermore, I've been in there. The physical restrictions in and of themselves are a big problem. You can only do so much in "x" amount of space.

I'm sorry the lockers aren't outlined in neon green lights with flat screens in each cubby. Boo hoo. The adjustment looks great. Kudos for doing SOMETHING.

It's easy to look at one thing under a microscope and be critical. There are people to answer to and budgets to meet that we know NOTHING about.

If I was a parent and the people complaining were my children... I would've ripped out the lockers and put 5 gallon pals down for seats.
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Recruiting is improving and I suspect that this makeover had zip to do with it. Zip.

If we succumb to a nervous "Got to keep up with the Joneses!" mania on everything, we're done. State factories, who will then control our spending by proxy, will spend us into oblivion.

"Moneybags U, or peer U, or even High School XYZ has better so-and-so than us!" Is not an ironclad, persuasive argument that we have to spend money, unless it is something functional in which we are objectively deficient. But then the driving force isn't the schlong contest anyway.

Kid thinks we aren't a viable choice because our locker room doesn't make the electric meter spin like a tail rotor? Bye. Beat it.
 
javadoc said:
Recruiting is improving and I suspect that this makeover had zip to do with it. Zip.

If we succumb to a nervous "Got to keep up with the Joneses!" mania on everything, we're done. State factories, who will then control our spending by proxy, will spend us into oblivion.

"Moneybags U, or peer U, or even High School XYZ has better so-and-so than us!" Is not an ironclad, persuasive argument that we have to spend money, unless it is something functional in which we are objectively deficient. But then the driving force isn't the schlong contest anyway.

Kid thinks we aren't a viable choice because our locker room doesn't make the electric meter spin like a tail rotor? Bye. Beat it.
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Right there with ya.
 
UnknownOrange said:
FWIW those are the exact same lockers as the ones in the football wing in Manley.

For those who are unaware the football locker room in the Dome is the same locker room used by basketball.

If we had locker rooms made of gold with 50" tv screens at every locker, there'd be complaints that we over spent and that money should have went to the complete Dome Reno.

Relax. It's a locker room that got a nice modern update.
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Even more reason to spend more money, our locker rooms are being used by multiple sports teams unlike other schools.

CBA's locker room is this nice, again we are in the ACC
 
corpjet said:
Even more reason to spend more money, our locker rooms are being used by multiple sports teams unlike other schools.

CBA's locker room is this nice, again we are in the ACC
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As noted in previous pictures ... just because we're in the ACC doesn't mean we need to have Texas' locker rooms. It's a locker room. Find a new hill to die on here people
 
Nobody is that stupid to expect Alabama/Ohio St type STATE FUNDED facilities, duh. Insulting to one's intelligence, frankly. Nobody is saying that. It's about merely keeping up with your peers. Private schools with little or no tradition such as Vandy, Northwestern, even RICE(!) are doing more. These are academic powerhouses where winning has never been a priority.

I'm definitely happy about the progress. Satisifed? Certainly not. Why the hell should we be? The coaches also have been mostly underpaid here historically compared to their peers especially a guy like Boeheim. It's a small step in the right direction. Should we all be satisfied that we are finally in the ballpark (the lower end) compared to our peer schools? I don't think that is being unfair. Like I said, it's a step in the right direction.
 
SoBeCuse said:
Nobody is that stupid to expect Alabama/Ohio St type STATE FUNDED facilities, duh. Insulting to one's intelligence, frankly. Nobody is saying that. It's about merely keeping up with your peers. Private schools with little or no tradition such as Vandy, Northwestern, even RICE(!) are doing more. These are academic powerhouses where winning has never been a priority.

I'm definitely happy about the progress. Satisifed? Certainly not. Why the hell should we be? The coaches also have been mostly underpaid here historically compared to their peers especially a guy like Boeheim. It's a small step in the right direction. Should we all be satisfied that we are finally in the ballpark (the lower end) compared to our peer schools? I don't think that is being unfair. Like I said, it's a step in the right direction.
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My response was really to the poster who said he's no longer doing to donate because the locker room for whatever reason wasn't up to snuff. We have a good coach and staff and are giving them the tools to complete.

This isn't Jake Crouthamel and green spraypaint in the endzone.
 
SoBeCuse said:
Nobody is that stupid to expect Alabama/Ohio St type STATE FUNDED facilities, duh. Insulting to one's intelligence, frankly. Nobody is saying that. It's about merely keeping up with your peers. Private schools with little or no tradition such as Vandy, Northwestern, even RICE(!) are doing more. These are academic powerhouses where winning has never been a priority.

I'm definitely happy about the progress. Satisifed? Certainly not. Why the hell should we be? The coaches also have been mostly underpaid here historically compared to their peers especially a guy like Boeheim. It's a small step in the right direction. Should we all be satisfied that we are finally in the ballpark (the lower end) compared to our peer schools? I don't think that is being unfair. Like I said, it's a step in the right direction.
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What is wrong with the locker room as currently updated? I mean wrong, not cosmetic. (I reject cosmetic as wrong, if that is the only answer.)
 
javadoc said:
What is wrong with the locker room as currently updated? I mean wrong, not cosmetic. (I reject cosmetic as wrong, if that is the only answer.)
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I'm not an architect. Maybe you are. I'll abstain from critiquing anything other than cosmetic. It all looks done on the cheap to me but it is progress no question. I know there are variables at play and limitations due to the infrastructure of the Dome and such. That's all I'm qualified to really say. It all seems to me, based on the monetary figures out there for the public to see, that the pratice facility/locker rooms are on the low end compared to our peer schools and even private peer schools. Again, I'm happy to see this finally being done and obviously there has been considerable investment into the coaching staff as Bayside mentioned which is very important. We'll certainly know more about the future plans whenever they figure out what the hell to do with the Dome. I just don't think it is unfair to be critical of the facilities as a whole when they are still on the low end compared to our peers. That part is factual when you uncover the money trail. If this makes me less of a fan then so be it, lol.
 
SoBeCuse said:
I'm not an architect. Maybe you are. I'll abstain from critiquing anything other than cosmetic. It all looks done on the cheap to me but it is progress no question. I know there are variables at play and limitations due to the infrastructure of the Dome and such. That's all I'm qualified to really say. It all seems to me, based on the monetary figures out there for the public to see, that the pratice facility/locker rooms are on the low end compared to our peer schools and even private peer schools. Again, I'm happy to see this finally being done and obviously there has been considerable investment into the coaching staff as Bayside mentioned which is very important. We'll certainly know more about the future plans whenever they figure out what the hell to do with the Dome. I just don't think it is unfair to be critical of the facilities as a whole when they are still on the low end compared to our peers. That part is factual when you uncover the money trail. If this makes me less of a fan then so be it, lol.
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Maybe someone else can comment, but it doesn't look on the cheap to me. Is it materials? Finish?

What is lacking in all this discussion is a measure of actual impact. I don't personally care how we look compared to peers, but what do the players say? Recruits? Why do so many people think that we Have To spend money on things without an actual indication that it is "necessary"?

The most important things that are in our control are being addressed, IMO. Salaries. Staffing levels. Private jet service. The biggest one that has yet to happen is getting those old, thoroughly unmodern fannies in the seats.

Spending money "just because" is taken as a precept in this thread. Show me the proof that it is necessary. Sales folks will always tell you they can't sell something without every extravagance. Prove it.
 
At first glance, having multiple, big-screen televisions is nice, I guess, but how much tv-watching is happening on game day?
When do they have time to watch tv while at the Dome?
 
UnknownOrange said:
As noted in previous pictures ... just because we're in the ACC doesn't mean we need to have Texas' locker rooms. It's a locker room. Find a new hill to die on here people
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It won't necessarily be the fans dying on the hill, it will be recruiting and coaching.

How many articles has everyone read about the "Facilities Arms Race" in college football. Don't pretend that it doesn't exist because plainly and simply it does.

Schools have to "Keep Up With The Joneses" or be left behind in college football. Take a look at the top 25-30 teams over the past 10 years and then take a look at how much the coaches are paid and how much those schools have spent on facilities for football. It's not a secret or and accident.

I would have considered Clemson a peer school not all that long ago. Then what happened, they upgraded their facilities, hired a great staff and have been kicking our ass ever since. In general they invested a Shlit Ton of money in their program and now, they are so far ahead of us now that we will never catch them.

If Wake Forest or BC all of sudden got an infusion of cash from an angel donor, mark my words they will be kicking our ass for the next 10 years too.

Bottom line it matters and Athletic Revenue overages should be spent on athletics. The Academic part of the school brings in revenue from 18K students at 58K per year which is just under a Billion dollars. If they need an additional 8.5 mil from the AD to balance the budget, then something is seriously wrong with the spending/waste on the academic side. What angers me even more is that I would guess that half of that Billion comes from taxpayer money in the form of educational subsidies, grants, financial aid, etc. for students tuition.
 
CuseOnly said:
It won't necessarily be the fans dying on the hill, it will be recruiting and coaching.

How many articles has everyone read about the "Facilities Arms Race" in college football. Don't pretend that it doesn't exist because plainly and simply it does.

Schools have to "Keep Up With The Joneses" or be left behind in college football. Take a look at the top 25-30 teams over the past 10 years and then take a look at how much the coaches are paid and how much those schools have spent on facilities for football. It's not a secret or and accident.

I would have considered Clemson a peer school not all that long ago. Then what happened, they upgraded their facilities, hired a great staff and have been kicking our ass ever since. In general they invested a Shlit Ton of money in their program and now, they are so far ahead of us now that we will never catch them.

If Wake Forest or BC all of sudden got an infusion of cash from an angel donor, mark my words they will be kicking our ass for the next 10 years too.

Bottom line it matters and Athletic Revenue overages should be spent on athletics. The Academic part of the school brings in revenue from 18K students at 58K per year which is just under a Billion dollars. If they need an additional 8.5 mil from the AD to balance the budget, then something is seriously wrong with the spending/waste on the academic side. What angers me even more is that I would guess that half of that Billion comes from taxpayer money in the form of educational subsidies, grants, financial aid, etc. for students tuition.
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Clemson hired Davi & co and then WINNING came and thus more fans to spend more money and THEN facilities came. I'm not going to die on this locker room hill when there's a dome reno on the horizon. It needed an upgrade and they did it. Would you like SU to spend an insane amount of money on facility upgrades and then what happens if Dino goes 4-8 the next 3 years and never turns it around? It's such a dangerous game.
 
UnknownOrange said:
Clemson hired Davi & co and then WINNING came and thus more fans to spend more money and THEN facilities came. I'm not going to die on this locker room hill when there's a dome reno on the horizon. It needed an upgrade and they did it. Would you like SU to spend an insane amount of money on facility upgrades and then what happens if Dino goes 4-8 the next 3 years and never turns it around? It's such a dangerous game.
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Clemson also doesn't use State funding for facilities, it has nothing to do with attendance. They have IPTAY and donors to pay. They also bake in bond fees into ticket prices. All things SU could be doing with the exception of the Donors. SU doesn't seem to care about small time players though so an IPTAY program seems to not appeal to them. It would make small time folks like myself and others feel included.

Regardless of how well Dino does, facilities need to be upgraded all the time. Not just one in 20 years like SU has previously done, that is why we had 30 yo HS locker rooms in the Dome this long.

Athletics arms race How and why Clemson is spending more than $128 million on new facilities
 
CuseOnly said:
Clemson also doesn't use State funding for facilities, it has nothing to do with attendance. They have IPTAY and donors to pay. They also bake in bond fees into ticket prices. All things SU could be doing with the exception of the Donors. SU doesn't seem to care about small time players though so an IPTAY program seems to not appeal to them. It would make small time folks like myself and others feel included.

Regardless of how well Dino does, facilities need to be upgraded all the time. Not just one in 20 years like SU has previously done, that is why we had 30 yo HS locker rooms in the Dome this long.

Athletics arms race How and why Clemson is spending more than $128 million on new facilities
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Yes. Clemson has had smart people running their university and athletic department for some time now. I love the IPTAY model. Would love to see SU get more serious with donors. I'd also like to see what their major plans are (ya know if those exist lol)
 
"18K students at 58K per" how many people do you think work at SU and how much do you think they are making? And thats just to pay salaries before all the other expenses for employees and cost of running 100+ buildings and mowing the lawn, etc..
 
To whoever was complaining about the school's spending:

Interest rates are near historic lows. Borrowing money is about as cheap as it's ever going to be. What would you rather the school do, build for future needs while money is cheap or wait until the school is at a crisis point and hastily build when interest rates are high?

To whoever was complaining about salaries:

Salaries are dictated by the market. If we cut salaries or low ball, we'll lose our best professors, and we won't be able to attract top tier professors. Do you want that?

To those who are complaining about the lockers:

I'm honestly underwhelmed, too. But we're on the verge of re-doing the entire Dome. There's a pretty good chance that the school is going to let that renovation play out before it would even consider building something major that might get torn down. Relax.

Still, I think the school should buy a couple flat screens, put some images on the walls (i.e. wall stickers), and maybe make some minor changes to the lighting (very minor).
 

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