NFL draft thread

[Toga]

So this is floating out there...

Bills get 1.
Browns get 2
Giants get 4
Browns get 12 & 22
Giants get 33 & 53
Browns get 65 back

What are the respective Jimmy Johnson numbers on that puppy?

 

[bpo57]

Josh Allen has never completed 60% of his passes going back to JV.

I'm well aware of that. I'm not advocating that they take Allen. I'm saying if they like him - which reportedly they do - then he'll be there at #4 so why draft him #1? Besides, all of these QBs are a crapshoot so why not take Barkley who is the least likely reach on the board.

 

[KaiserUEO]

What are the respective Jimmy Johnson numbers on that puppy?

I had it worked out, it was pretty good.

Not much pain, maybe a few late rounders tossed about to make it even closer.

Havnt heard it mentioned in a few days so it’s likely N/A now.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Josh Allen reminds me a TON of Drew Bledsoe coming out of college. Among the similarities, Bledsoe also never attained a 60% completion rate in college.

I gotta think that a career ceiling of a Bledsoe...multiple time pro bowler, couple super bowl trips, would be considered a success...but I also feel like there is at least 1 QB out there this year that will be better than that...

 

[JeremyCuse]

I had it worked out, it was pretty good.

Not much pain, maybe a few late rounders tossed about to make it even closer.

Havnt heard it mentioned in a few days so it’s likely N/A now.

Bills would be making an enormous mistake with that trade. You have what you believe to be your franchise QB but you have sacrificed pretty much your entire draft despite major issues on the OL, LB, and WR. No thanks.

 

[Toga]

Bills would be making an enormous mistake with that trade. You have what you believe to be your franchise QB but you have sacrificed pretty much your entire draft despite major issues on the OL, LB, and WR. No thanks.

Like I said a month ago, their best move is to have had pre-draft discussions with a handful of teams ahead of them and then jump as few spots as possible while landing one of the QBs they think can be franchise. If that doesn't work out grab Jackson at #12 unless they really like Rudolph at say #22.

 

[Alsacs]

If Mayfield goes first.
The Giants have to take Darnold or trade out.
That would mean the Jets traded up for one of those 2 and would be stuck with Allen or Rosen.
I want this to happen.

If Chubb falls to 7 I can see NE moving up to get him.

 

[KaiserUEO]

They say if you have 2 QBs, you have none.

In this draft, there’s 4 QBs who’ve been linked to #1 overall.

That tells me there’s none.

 

[Alsacs]

On BetOnline.ag right now
Going first overall
Mayfield -200
Darnold even
Allen +750

 

[rrlbees]

I want the Giants to get Barkley so I’m hoping the Browns screw up and take a QB at #1. There is so much debate as to who is the best QB. 3 even 4 have been in the discussion. History shows these supposed studs can be a crap shoot with many of them. Teams have made the wrong call many times. So if the Browns were smart they’d take Barkley at #1 and whichever QB they like the best of who’s left at #4. Hopefully they don’t though.

 

[Melancer46]

I want the Giants to get Barkley so I’m hoping the Browns screw up and take a QB at #1. There is so much debate as to who is the best QB. 3 even 4 have been in the discussion. History shows these supposed studs can be a crap shoot with many of them. Teams have made the wrong call many times. So if the Browns were smart they’d take Barkley at #1 and whichever QB they like the best of who’s left at #4. Hopefully they don’t though.

I think it would be smarter to take Chubb #1 rather than Saquon to be honest. I wouldn't touch Saquon in the top 10 personally (though I think he will definitely be taken there).

 

[Alsacs]

I think it would be smarter to take Chubb #1 rather than Saquon to be honest. I wouldn't touch Saquon in the top 10 personally (though I think he will definitely be taken there).

If the Giants want Barkley they should deal with the Jets.
The Jets would give them picks to ensure they get their guy. Not a lot I am sure but a 3rd,4th or a future pick to move back.
They would get Barkley at 3.

I want Chubb to slip past 6.
If he doesn’t go 4 to Cleveland I can see a QB going 5th or 6th and then hope Nelson goes before Chubb.

 

[Melancer46]

If the Giants want Barkley they should deal with the Jets.
The Jets would give them picks to ensure they get their guy. Not a lot I am sure but a 3rd,4th or a future pick to move back.
They would get Barkley at 3.

I want Chubb to slip past 6.
If he doesn’t go 4 to Cleveland I can see a QB going 5th or 6th and then hope Nelson goes before Chubb.

If Chubb does slip, Tampa would gladly take him at 7 I think

 

[JeremyCuse]

I want the Giants to get Barkley so I’m hoping the Browns screw up and take a QB at #1. There is so much debate as to who is the best QB. 3 even 4 have been in the discussion. History shows these supposed studs can be a crap shoot with many of them. Teams have made the wrong call many times. So if the Browns were smart they’d take Barkley at #1 and whichever QB they like the best of who’s left at #4. Hopefully they don’t though.

Multiple rumors out the last few hours that the Giants are looking to trade back. As for Cleveland if there is a QB they feel is #1 on their board they have to take him at 1. You can't take Chubb or Barkely at 1 and then watch someone at 2 or the Jets get the QB you had at the top of your board. A potential franchise QB always comes first.

 

[MikeSU02]

They say if you have 2 QBs, you have none.

In this draft, there’s 4 QBs who’ve been linked to #1 overall.

That tells me there’s none.

They had Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning and Manning was the one.

Come on.

 

[rrlbees]

Multiple rumors out the last few hours that the Giants are looking to trade back. As for Cleveland if there is a QB they feel is #1 on their board they have to take him at 1. You can't take Chubb or Barkely at 1 and then watch someone at 2 or the Jets get the QB you had at the top of your board. A potential franchise QB always comes first.

Nothing is 100% that the guy they like the most is the franchise guy. Especially if they have 2-3 of them rated fairly close.

 

[Alsacs]

Barkley either goes 2,4 and doesn’t get past Tampa.
Chubb goes anywhere from 2-7.
QB goes first
QB goes third
I think either 4 or 6 trade out for a QB.
No clue what Denver does at 5.

Tampa gets the player that slides because of the QB run.
Nelson goes at worst 8.

9 is where the draft begins.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Nothing is 100% that the guy they like the most is the franchise guy. Especially if they have 2-3 of them rated fairly close.

Thats true but if they have a guy rated #1, they need to take him at 1. You can't take Barkley at 1 if you have Darnold as your #1 QB and then Giants take him and he has a 10+ year career. If they don't have a clear cut guy then your suggestion makes sense but its likely they have someone they like above everyone else at QB.

 

[Alsacs]

Taking Barkley in the top 5 or any RB IMO is just stupid.

RBs get injured the most of any position and they rely on having a good OL to be more effective.

The difference between Barkley and a back like Nick Chubb isn’t 60 spots.

I wouldn’t take a RB in the top 10.

 

[rrlbees]

Some guy at the giants facility on the NFL network just said everything he hears says the giants plan to take Barkley.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Some guy at the giants facility on the NFL network just said everything he hears says the giants plan to take Barkley.

Report: Giants are looking to trade down from the No. 2 pick

And alsacs it may start at 9, but they say the 1st round ends at 15.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Taking Barkley in the top 5 or any RB IMO is just stupid.

RBs get injured the most of any position and they rely on having a good OL to be more effective.

The difference between Barkley and a back like Nick Chubb isn’t 60 spots.

I wouldn’t take a RB in the top 10.

Yeah, but then you see guys like Gurley and Bell who can singlehandedly win games and you wonder..

 

[Alsacs]

Yeah, but then you see guys like Gurley and Bell who can singlehandedly win games and you wonder..

Gurley was nothing 2 years ago.
Once the Rams could throw he was effective and that was because Goff developed.
Bell is the best all-around back in the league and what happened to him. His distractions last year hurt Pittsburgh and the team doesn’t want to pay him long term.

RBs don’t win you championships.
It’s a QB/LT/DE league.

Adrian Peterson was a stud but what happened when he got to the playoffs.

I think Barkley is a good prospect I just wouldn’t take him top 5 just like I wouldn’t have Fournette last year or Zeke Elliott 2 years top 5.

 

[BuffOrange]

Elliott is great and not a single team would take him over Ramsey right now.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Gurley was nothing 2 years ago.
Once the Rams could throw he was effective and that was because Goff developed.
Bell is the best all-around back in the league and what happened to him. His distractions last year hurt Pittsburgh and the team doesn’t want to pay him long term.

RBs don’t win you championships.
It’s a QB/LT/DE league.

Adrian Peterson was a stud but what happened when he got to the playoffs.

I think Barkley is a good prospect I just wouldn’t take him top 5 just like I wouldn’t have Fournette last year or Zeke Elliott 2 years top 5.

A good RB can put a team over the top, or disguise some warts.

With Barkley...the Giants can go for it...and WIN it.

Then...with Barkley...they could hide who ever is the new QB for years 4-6 of Barkley.