Nick Carparelli

[kcsu]

A solid B?! What does a guy need to do to get an A in your book? Honestly, name one other athletic department in the country that is out-performing SU on a per team basis. I don't think that I can do it, and I know I can't do it if I only look at schools with similar budgets.

Getting us in the ACC should be enough for a solid B in and of itself. Ask a UConn fan what it feels like being the odd guy looking in. Look at WVU fan behavior. Do you really think that they aren't green with envy that we're in the ACC and they're playing teams on the other side of the country?

And what did Coyle do? He fired a football coach who was clearly improving the team (our scoring rank increased by something like 41 places and if we had a normal SS defense, we would have gone bowling). Barry Alvarez went 11-22 in his first 3 years at Wisconsin. Frank Beamer went 11-21-1 (against cupcakes) at Virginia Tech. SS went 14-23 in the ACC Atlantic. Firing SS may have been the right move - I don't think that any of us really know, but let's not act like Coyle was a visionary.

As for KS, I am completely on the KS is great train. But that doesn't mean Doc Gross was anything other than the best AD that we've had in a long, long time (if not ever).

 

[kcsu]

B is a fair possibly too generous of a grade . I supported and like gross. His failure with football the sanctions and a department that wasn't well run need to be taken into account.

 

[nzm136]

B is a fair possibly too generous of a grade . I supported and like gross. His failure with football the sanctions and a department that wasn't well run need to be taken into account.

The department wasn't well run? Tell that to the BB team that made a FF this year ... or the WBB team that made a NCG this year ... Or the MXC team that won a NC this year ... or the WXC team that had a top 15 finish ... of the MSoccer team that made a FF ... or the WFH team that won a NC ... of the MLax team that's top 5 ... or the WLax team that's top 5 ... of the M and W Crew teams that are top 15 (I can't remember the exact rankings) ... or the M Indoor Track team that's top 15.

[Edit: I fotgot to include WTennis that made the Tourney for the first time ever and W Outdoor Track, which is having a banner year]

And this is a driving force for the above results, but for a department "that wasn't well run," we sure have upgraded all of our major facilities quite a lot over the last 10 years.

And for a department that isn't well-run, we sure did manage to sneak into a pretty decent conference.

Out of curiosity, how would you define well run? And for the record, what specifically did you want him to do about football?

 

[nzm136]

Spent like a drunk sailor and the books were a mess.

Did you see the facilities pre-Gross?

 

[retro44]

 

[rrlbees]

Did you see the facilities pre-Gross?

Yes, yes I did.

 

[kcsu]

He didn't stay within budget

 

[OrangePA]

We both know I meant school administration / athletic department. Not a business selling product to collegiate athletics, not a football team administrator.

Otherwise, I agree with the entire rest of your post. They did a very thorough job last time, and I think Coyle was the right type of hire even if it didn't work out long term. If they due that level of due diligence again, we will bring in the right guy.

He was involved in the administration of two major college athletic conferences.

That tells me that he interfaced with multiple college athletic departments on a constant basis in connection with major sports and Olympic sports for both men and women - dealing with scheduling, TV, NCAA infractions, academics, Title IX, various sponsorship issues, bowl alignment issues and the like.

And as an assistant director of football operations he deals with everything - grades, study hall, travel arrangements, sports camps, practice schedules, interaction between players and coaches, etc.

I just find it hard to believe that all of that is on the "periphery" of college athletic administration. To me all of that is the essence of college athletic administration.

Nick Carparelli might not be the right guy, but his experience is in the wheel house of what it takes to be a contemporary college athletic administrator.

 

[Toga]

He was involved in the administration of two major college athletic conferences.

That tells me that he interfaced with multiple college athletic departments on a constant basis in connection with major sports and Olympic sports for both men and women - dealing with scheduling, TV, NCAA infractions, academics, Title IX, various sponsorship issues, bowl alignment issues and the like.

And as an assistant director of football operations he deals with everything - grades, study hall, travel arrangements, sports camps, practice schedules, interaction between players and coaches, etc.

I just find it hard to believe that all of that is on the "periphery" of college athletic administration. To me all of that is the essence of college athletic administration.

Nick Carparelli might not be the right guy, but his experience in the wheel house of what it takes to be a contemporary college athletic administrator.

It would seem that way on the surface but apparently he is selling Rolexes in the front or fireworks in the back.

 

[OrangePA]

Spent like a drunk sailor and the books were a mess.

He really is a mixed bag.

It is true that he spent money, but, it was the Chancellor who authorized the spending.

He was not a detail guy and was not an organizational guy - that's why he brought in Herman Frazier.

He brought the department into the 21st Century.

I don't blame him for football.

But the basketball situation was on his watch and of course was his undoing.

 

[Cusefan78]

The department wasn't well run? Tell that to the BB team that made a FF this year ... or the WBB team that made a NCG this year ... Or the MXC team that won a NC this year ... or the WXC team that had a top 15 finish ... of the MSoccer team that made a FF ... or the WFH team that won a NC ... of the MLax team that's top 5 ... or the WLax team that's top 5 ... of the M and W Crew teams that are top 15 (I can't remember the exact rankings) ... or the M Indoor Track team that's top 15.

[Edit: I fotgot to include WTennis that made the Tourney for the first time ever and W Outdoor Track, which is having a banner year]

And this is a driving force for the above results, but for a department "that wasn't well run," we sure have upgraded all of our major facilities quite a lot over the last 10 years.

And for a department that isn't well-run, we sure did manage to sneak into a pretty decent conference.

Out of curiosity, how would you define well run? And for the record, what specifically did you want him to do about football?

Well for one when you have a new hire down to two and they are Greg Robinson and bo pelini you don't choose grob!

 

[OrangePA]

It would seem that way on the surface but apparently he is selling Rolexes in the front or fireworks in the back.

Again, I don't know him.

I have no inside information on him. I don't know about the Rolexes or Canal Street.

I'm just looking at the endorsements by Tirico, McDonough, and Thamel and the resume.

If he's not the guy, that's fine - get the right guy.

 

[Yegorange]

Then I'll be sure to coss Joe paterno, Jim Tarman, Timothy Curley, Paul Dee, Kirby Hocutt, Shawn Eichorst, John Swofford, Dick Baddour, Bubba Cunningham, and Oliver Luck off the list.

Now back to Dr. Gross...

Let not just coss JoPa. Cross him and curse him off the list. Why even mention his name?

 

[RF2044]

He was involved in the administration of two major college athletic conferences.

That tells me that he interfaced with multiple college athletic departments on a constant basis in connection with major sports and Olympic sports for both men and women - dealing with scheduling, TV, NCAA infractions, academics, Title IX, various sponsorship issues, bowl alignment issues and the like.

And as an assistant director of football operations he deals with everything - grades, study hall, travel arrangements, sports camps, practice schedules, interaction between players and coaches, etc.

I just find it hard to believe that all of that is on the "periphery" of college athletic administration. To me all of that is the essence of college athletic administration.

Nick Carparelli might not be the right guy, but his experience is in the wheel house of what it takes to be a contemporary college athletic administrator.

Working in conference administration is different than being in a school's athletic department. Not the same [although this is more relevant vis a vis our vacancy than his later work for UA, IMO].

Interfacing with college athletic departments is not the same as coordinating the operations of an athletic department.

The duties he had jurisdictional responsibility for as an assistant director of football operations--grades, study hall, travel arrangements, sports camps, practice schedules, interaction between players and coaches--have very little overlap with what an athletic department does, other than at the governance level.

I'm really not sure what part of this you don't understand. His job responsibilities and roles, to date, have not included--you know--actually working in a collegiate athletic department, let alone at a P5 level institution.

That doesn't mean that he couldn't learn this stuff. But today, based upon his experience, he probably isn't the most qualified candidate because his experience doesn't actually involve working in an athletic department at the college level. This isn't an entry level job where somebody has the capacity to learn on-the-job.

 

[rrlbees]

He really is a mixed bag.

It is true that he spent money, but, it was the Chancellor who authorized the spending.

He was not a detail guy and was not an organizational guy - that's why he brought in Herman Frazier.

He brought the department into the 21st Century.

I don't blame him for football.

But the basketball situation was on his watch and of course was his undoing.

Cantor let him do his thing. Syverud did not.

 

[Scooch]

Working in conference administration is different than being in a school's athletic department. Not the same [although this is more relevant vis a vis our vacancy than his later work for UA, IMO]. Interfacing with college athletic departments is not the same as coordinating the operations of an athletic department. The duties he had jurisdictional responsibility for as an assistant director of football operations--grades, study hall, travel arrangements, sports camps, practice schedules, interaction between players and coaches--have very little overlap with what an athletic department does, other than at the governance level. I'm really not sure what part of this you don't understand. His job responsibilities and roles, to date, have not included--you know--actually working in a collegiate athletic department, let alone at a P5 level institution. That doesn't mean that he couldn't learn this stuff. But today, based upon his experience, he probably isn't the most qualified candidate because his experience doesn't actually involve working in an athletic department at the college level. This isn't an entry level job where somebody has the capacity to learn on-the-job.

Until recently we've reserved our on the job training roles for head coach of the football program.

 

[CuseOnly]

Working in conference administration is different than being in a school's athletic department. Not the same [although this is more relevant vis a vis our vacancy than his later work for UA, IMO].

Interfacing with college athletic departments is not the same as coordinating the operations of an athletic department.

The duties he had jurisdictional responsibility for as an assistant director of football operations--grades, study hall, travel arrangements, sports camps, practice schedules, interaction between players and coaches--have very little overlap with what an athletic department does, other than at the governance level.

I'm really not sure what part of this you don't understand. His job responsibilities and roles, to date, have not included--you know--actually working in a collegiate athletic department, let alone at a P5 level institution.

That doesn't mean that he couldn't learn this stuff. But today, based upon his experience, he probably isn't the most qualified candidate because his experience doesn't actually involve working in an athletic department at the college level. This isn't an entry level job where somebody has the capacity to learn on-the-job.

So...these 2 jobs below were not in actual athletic departments...?

Football Administrator
University of Notre Dame
June 2000 – March 2001 (10 months)

Assistant Director of Football Operations
Syracuse University
January 1992 – July 1994 (2 years 7 months)

 

[nzm136]

Let not just coss JoPa. Cross him and curse him off the list. Why even mention his name?

I was listing the AD's from PSU, UNC, and Miami, and Oliver Luck because I'm pretty sure we picked up PSU's tab, UNC's tab, and Miami's tab, and Oliver Luck straight up said that he tried to hurt Syracuse.

 

[nzm136]

Well for one when you have a new hire down to two and they are Greg Robinson and bo pelini you don't choose grob!

The original post called out GRob as his one true mistake.

 

[RF2044]

So...these 2 jobs below were not in actual athletic departments...?

Football Administrator
University of Notre Dame
June 2000 – March 2001 (10 months)

Assistant Director of Football Operations
Syracuse University
January 1992 – July 1994 (2 years 7 months)

No, they weren't.

Oy vey...

 

[nzm136]

He didn't stay within budget

You're making it sound like we're Maryland.

And those reports of our spending are almost certainly far overblown. Look at the DoE numbers. I get that they're not scientifically accurate for a variety of reasons including 1) internal accounting differences and 2) school subsidies, as well as others. However, we ran a $20 million surplus in Doc's last year. Argue about the exact number all you want, but I for one find it hard to believe that it's not at least directionally accurate.

Yes there were deficits in his early years (I think that there was even a DO article about it in ~'07), but there was CLEARLY a great return on those investments. And, blaming him for them is somewhat ridiculous. Our facilities were awful and modernizing them costs money.

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDet...4743d352f31352f3230313620363a32303a343220504d

 

[nzm136]

Yes, yes I did.

And you'd have been cool with keeping them as they were?

 

[rrlbees]

And you'd have been cool with keeping them as they were?

I didn't say that either. Several years we were in the red.

 

[TheCusian]

The department wasn't well run? Tell that to the BB team that made a FF this year ... or the WBB team that made a NCG this year ... Or the MXC team that won a NC this year ... or the WXC team that had a top 15 finish ... of the MSoccer team that made a FF ... or the WFH team that won a NC ... of the MLax team that's top 5 ... or the WLax team that's top 5 ... of the M and W Crew teams that are top 15 (I can't remember the exact rankings) ... or the M Indoor Track team that's top 15. [Edit: I fotgot to include WTennis that made the Tourney for the first time ever and W Outdoor Track, which is having a banner year] And this is a driving force for the above results, but for a department "that wasn't well run," we sure have upgraded all of our major facilities quite a lot over the last 10 years. And for a department that isn't well-run, we sure did manage to sneak into a pretty decent conference. Out of curiosity, how would you define well run? And for the record, what specifically did you want him to do about football?

Sanctions.

Horrible football records.

Spending issues.

AD's don't survive those three things.

 

[nzm136]

I didn't say that either. Several years we were in the red.

Sure, but renovations cost money, and there's a reason why rainy day funds exist. He brought us back to being very much in the black. That isn't reckless spending. It's successful investing.