NIL struggles

[Nicknack]

Our sudden downturn in recruiting was not JB's fault. It was highly predictable. How many ACC kids are going to think Syracuse first? What exciting rivalries would they get to play in at Cuse? For you newbies, Cuse vs GT was once the biggest rivalry in the land.

Such a bad take when there has been a TON of insight from people in the know on the the problems he was absolutely responsible for the last few years of his tenure.

 

[LAorange44]

If we are going to be at an NIL disadvantage, which apparently we are if you listen to the local propagandists, the school needs to pony up and hire a brand name coach at market value. The school had 40 years of the JB hometown discount. It’s time to open the pocketbook if we want to compete. A proven winner will maximize the talent we can get and may even convince a few sought after kids to slum it with us, our poverty media deal, and cheap/poor fanbase. Whoever thought hiring an unproven head coach when we are at such an NIL disadvantage should fired publicly and dragged through armory square.

Rant over.

 

[kcsu]

All I am saying is you are assuming the compliance folks were 100% correct in clearing his activities.

That might be an incorrect assumption if some of those activities wound up in the NCAA presentation as example "bad" behavior as reported.

Tough to know for sure without all the details, but it sounds like we may have approved some stuff we shouldn't have.

Of course, it's also quite possible the NCAA was just setting detailed guidance as they went along and it was the first confirmation of "don't do this".

No actually what I'm saying is that the compliance side of SU athletics signed off on what he did before he did it. I would also hope that the SU compliance group has a much better understanding of the rules surrounding student athletes and in particular NIL then Kent.

 

[Eric15]

Our sudden downturn in recruiting was not JB's fault. It was highly predictable. How many ACC kids are going to think Syracuse first?

Our traditional recruiting grounds in the NYC to DC corridor (with occasionally some Canada sprinkled in) are the exact same whether we play in the Big East or ACC. Not sure what you mean by "ACC kid."

 

[kingtidge]

No actually what I'm saying is that the compliance side of SU athletics signed off on what he did before he did it. I would also hope that the SU compliance group has a much better understanding of the rules surrounding student athletes and in particular NIL then Kent.

I understand what you are saying.

But it still begs the question, why were some of AW's activities highlighted in the NCAA presentation as problematic examples/potential violations if they met 100% compliance clearance?

Either our compliance understanding was wrong or the NCAA moved the goalposts and used his activities to further delineate problematic behavior/possible violations.

 

[chuck]

Such a bad take when there has been a TON of insight from people in the know on the the problems he was absolutely responsible for the last few years of his tenure.

Such a bad take when there has been a TON of insight from people in the know on the the problems he was absolutely responsible for the last few years of his tenure.

There definitely not all his fault. Hell he is the only reason are team was so good and competitive for 37 plus years straight!!! People have such small memorie spans.

 

[orangefog]

There definitely not all his fault. Hell he is the only reason are team was so good and competitive for 37 plus years straight!!! People have such small memorie spans.

JB deserves a lot of credit, but The Big East and The Dome were huge parts of his success.

 

[kcsu]

I understand what you are saying.

But it still begs the question, why were some of AW's activities highlighted in the NCAA presentation as problematic examples/potential violations if they met 100% compliance clearance?

Either our compliance understanding was wrong or the NCAA moved the goalposts and used his activities to further delineate problematic behavior/possible violations.

I would bet that the NCAA moved the goalpost. I'm sure JW runs a very tight compliance ship and I'm also sure that Adam is telling the truth in that he vetted all of his actions with SU compliance prior to doing anything. He is on record as asking if he could share a meal with a player so I'm sure he vetted larger activities. This one isn't on Adam, and I doubt it is on SU compliance. I think that Kent is responsible for Adam no longer supporting SU athletes. The fact that he wouldn't meet with him lends support to this opinion but bottom line. This is my opinion based on what I have read and been told.

 

[Newhouser]

I guess my question is why are we running scared about an NCAA slide show. Granted the only school the NCAA has won against recently is us, but they were done when this was going on. Why be scared of them?

 

[orangefog]

I guess my question is why are we running scared about an NCAA slide show. Granted the only school the NCAA has won against recently is us, but they were done when this was going on. Why be scared of them?

Let's not forget how screwed up it is of the NCAA to use Adam as a focal point of a slideshow when he didn't do anything wrong. It seems it was strictly done to strike fear into Syracuse (Kent), and it worked.

 

[tptcuse]

Let's not forget how screwed up it is of the NCAA to use Adam as a focal point of a slideshow when he didn't do anything wrong. It seems it was strictly done to strike fear into Syracuse (Kent), and it worked.

I don't know. Fair or not, I would imagine Adam's things were so high profile that they were easy to use in that presentation, not just to "strike fear into Syracuse." If you are trying to make a point in a presentation, those were some very famous faces and examples to use. Showing some random FedEx, Nike, or CashApp executives wouldn't have had the same impact.

That being said, we are in a whole new world of NIL and I hope Dasher's efforts work. We can use whatever help we can get.

 

[Nicknack]

I guess my question is why are we running scared about an NCAA slide show. Granted the only school the NCAA has won against recently is us, but they were done when this was going on. Why be scared of them?

That's been my point. I'm damn sick of watching other programs run fake classes, meddle, break rules, and nothing happens. SEC and other programs don't seem to fear at all the ncaa and that doesn't hurt them. Maybe Cuse needs to grow a damn pair. I don't know. But maybe.

 

[kingtidge]

That's been my point. I'm damn sick of watching other programs run fake classes, meddle, break rules, and nothing happens. SEC and other programs don't seem to fear at all the ncaa and that doesn't hurt them. Maybe Cuse needs to grow a damn pair. I don't know. But maybe.

Just a guess, but I think we may have really pissed someone off with decision-making clout in the NCAA.

The back-to-back sanctions situation didn't happen by coincidence.

I don't think the AW "Potential violations at Syracuse" examples were a coincidence either.

I could 100% wrong about that, but it's just a gut feeling.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Our sudden downturn in recruiting was not JB's fault. It was highly predictable. How many ACC kids are going to think Syracuse first? What exciting rivalries would they get to play in at Cuse? For you newbies, Cuse vs GT was once the biggest rivalry in the land.

As to the bigger picture. We used to criticize GT for having a paid team. Now that every power conf. team is a paid team my interest is going downhill.

What Eric15 said.

+ Maliq Brown was from Virginia. Justin Taylor, also Virginia. Incoming Sadiq White is from North Carolina. That’s three pretty recent “ACC kids,” if there were such a thing.

How many college bball rivalries really mean much anymore? Duke Carolina. Anything else? Is Michigan Michigan State a thing? I doubt recruits factor any of that.

And the downturn in recruiting has been discussed many times by insiders. JB’s effort declined significantly. There were misses in talent/fit assessments. The one that blows my mind is that JB vetoed SGAlexander. I’d really like to hear more about the specifics on that.

 

[kcsu]

The NCAA wasn't a fan of Jim

 

[donniesyracuse]

What Eric15 said.

+ Maliq Brown was from Virginia. Justin Taylor, also Virginia. Incoming Sadiq White is from North Carolina. That’s three pretty recent “ACC kids,” if there were such a thing.

How many college bball rivalries really mean much anymore? Duke Carolina. Anything else? Is Michigan Michigan State a thing? I doubt recruits factor any of that.

Imagine how much better recruiting could be if we played Creighton, Butler, and Xavier every year.

 

[CuseCPT]

While I think Alaska overstates the negatives of staying in the Big East and understates the positives of being in the ACC, I think it's fair to say that many here refuse to acknowledge the negatives of the ACC at all. If you were willing to sacrifice the football team (and some people are primarily basketball fans) the ACC switch has been pretty grim so far.

In a parallel universe you could imagine SU and Villanova fighting for the Big East title and top seed in the tournament for the past decade. The problem is you we changed 2 things at once and its impossible to isolate them. One variable was obviously being the ACC vs Big East, and the other was Classic JB vs JB from the last 10 years.

I think staying in the Big East have made the decline appear less drastic, but that's as speculative as saying what AW would have done for the program if Kent was more welcoming. It's very easy to say you would have done things when the only way anyone can prove it is with a time machine.

 

[Cusefan0307]

While I think Alaska overstates the negatives of staying in the Big East and understates the positives of being in the ACC, I think it's fair to say that many here refuse to acknowledge the negatives of the ACC at all. If you were willing to sacrifice the football team (and some people are primarily basketball fans) the ACC switch has been pretty grim so far.

In a parallel universe you could imagine SU and Villanova fighting for the Big East title and top seed in the tournament for the past decade. The problem is you we changed 2 things at once and its impossible to isolate them. One variable was obviously being the ACC vs Big East, and the other was Classic JB vs JB from the last 10 years.

I think staying in the Big East have made the decline appear less drastic, but that's as speculative as saying what AW would have done for the program if Kent was more welcoming. It's very easy to say you would have done things when the only way anyone can prove it is with a time machine.

Villanova is terrible too. I’m sure that’s because they are in the BE. Btw the one thing Red has been good at is HS recruiting so that blew up that narrative.

 

[PhatOrange]

JB deserves a lot of credit, but The Big East and The Dome were huge parts of his success.

What did the Big East have to do with his success? the conference somehow helped him recruit and win games?

 

[CuseCPT]

Villanova is terrible too. I’m sure that’s because they are in the BE. Btw the one thing Red has been good at is HS recruiting so that blew up that narrative.

They did win 2 national championships in the timeframe we're talking about.

 

[CuseCPT]

What did the Big East have to do with his success? the conference somehow helped him recruit and win games?

Watch Requiem for the Big East and tell us with a straight face that it didn't.

 

[Cusefan0307]

They did win 2 national championships in the timeframe we're talking about.

Why do they suck now then?

 

[OCESIP]

What did the Big East have to do with his success? the conference somehow helped him recruit and win games?

The Big East back in the day did help all the Big East schools recruit at the highest level. Gavitt was a marketing genius and got television exposure for the league. The Big East and basketball was very similar to the SEC and football today. It was a far better fit for SU than the ACC is today.

 

[CuseCPT]

Why do they suck now then?

Mostly because they lost their coach. If we're talking about the time period where we left BE until today, you could definitely be a successful hoops program at the highest level without being in the P4. Is that situation coming to an end with changes in NIL and revenue sharing? Maybe it is, time will tell.

I will remain convinced not being in the ACC would've softened our fall in basketball, albeit at the expense of our football program, so still not worth it in my book. If you want to prove to me that I'm wrong, cool, go grab a time machine and parallel universe.

 

[orangefog]

What did the Big East have to do with his success? the conference somehow helped him recruit and win games?

Yes, the Big East absolutely helped with recruiting. It was crucial.