NIL struggles

[PhatOrange]

Watch Requiem for the Big East and tell us with a straight face that it didn't.

JB had to put the team together and win the games. What about the teams in the big east that sucked like Boston college or Rutgers and providence? How come they didn't win ?

I get that the big east was sexy, but no different than the ACC in basketball and the SEC in football. Not every team wins. teams with good coaches win. Good teams make the conference.

 

[PhatOrange]

Yes, the Big East absolutely helped with recruiting. It was crucial.

Syracuse's success (along with Georgetown, and UConn) made the Big East, not the other way around. These schools recruited well because they had great coaches who won games.

 

[orangefog]

Syracuse's success (along with Georgetown, and UConn) made the Big East, not the other way around. These schools recruited well because they had great coaches who won games.

UConn didn’t make the Big East. Their success was built after the heavy lifting of Georgetown, St. John’s, Villanova and Syracuse.

 

[dasher]

What did the Big East have to do with his success? the conference somehow helped him recruit and win games?

Is this a serious question? Do you remember, maybe you don't, what eastern basketball was before the Big East? The eastern schools were dramatically below the standards of the ACC or the Big Ten. The Big East gave the league a tv contract and national exposure. Players like Ewing and Mullen stayed in the east. Then, Pearl. The Big East raised the level of awareness of eastern basketball.

 

[Newhouser]

JB had to put the team together and win the games. What about the teams in the big east that sucked like Boston college or Rutgers and providence? How come they didn't win ?

I get that the big east was sexy, but no different than the ACC in basketball and the SEC in football. Not every team wins. teams with good coaches win. Good teams make the conference.

I don't think BC "sucked" in the BE.

 

[dasher]

Syracuse's success (along with Georgetown, and UConn) made the Big East, not the other way around. These schools recruited well because they had great coaches who won games.

First, don't include UConn. They were in the big east for a decade before they got good. Second, the Big East enabled those great coaches to get those players. Thompson was at G-town before the Big East and they were a decent eastern school. Nothing more. Much like us.

 

[dasher]

I don't think BC "sucked" in the BE.

They didn't. As a matter of fact, they were very good in the first decade of the Big east. far superior to UConn. And Rutgers wasn't even in the Big East

 

[orangefog]

They didn't. As a matter of fact, they were very good in the first decade of the Big east. far superior to UConn. And Rutgers wasn't even in the Big East

I think literally EVERY team but UConn had success in the first decade of the Big East. Providence with Pitino, Seton Hall with PJ, Pitt was good, BC was good at times...but not UConn, they did nothing to build the Big East.

 

[dasher]

I think literally EVERY team but UConn had success in the first decade of the Big East. Providence with Pitino, Seton Hall with PJ, Pitt was good, BC was good at times...but not UConn, they did nothing to build the Big East.

I think Rutgers is the perfect example of what the Big East did. When the big east came in to being, Rutgers was at least the equal of any team in the Big East. They went to the final four unbeaten in 1976. They beat us my sr year in '78. Their A.D. was the treasurer of the Eastern Eight. They turned down a invite and the Big east took the Hall instead. Within just a few years, Rutgers was no longer the equal of the Big East schools. Tom Young the Rutgers coach said and now Jim Boeheim is a genius.

 

[CuseCPT]

Wasn't St. Bonaventure one of the better east coast hoops schools in the 1970s?

 

[kingtidge]

They didn't. As a matter of fact, they were very good in the first decade of the Big east. far superior to UConn. And Rutgers wasn't even in the Big East

Even some of their later teams were good.

That Craig Smith/Jared Dudley team was no pushover in the mid-2000's.

 

[dasher]

Wasn't St. Bonaventure one of the better east coast hoops schools in the 1970s?

yes.

 

[cusefan88]

Even some of their later teams were good.

That Craig Smith/Jared Dudley team was no pushover in the mid-2000's.

When they had Troy Bell/Ryan Sidney backcourt it was serious business. BC was always a respectable and tough program for the most part under Al Skinner.

 

[Orangefan1]

No offense to Adam or Kent but egos need to be put aside to work for the greater good of the community. We need all the help we can get for NIL and with Melo in the fold Adam could be a big part of that if he wanted to

 

[RF2044]

If that were the case, there would be no reason for the school to blame Adam. They should be blaming the people it was a okay to do. If that were the case.

Agreed.

Not buying it.

Especially given what we know about AW being used as an example of what not to do by another conference.

 

[baggerbob]

Agreed.

Not buying it.

Especially given what we know about AW being used as an example of what not to do by another conference.

There is nothing the NCAA can do about NIL
, they have no authority. NYS along with other states have stated in their state laws that schools in their states can't be punished by the NCAA if they come up with different rules then the state. They also state that the NCAA may not open an investigation about a school in their state.
The moment the NCAA says something about any school in any state they will get sued by everyone, and that will effectively end the organization.

 

[Col. Bleep]

Having Tom Brady, Jimmy Fallon and all the others come to your games can provide some great buzz. But not when you lose to UNC by 13 when Brady is in the house.
Then it's an embarrassment.

 

[RF2044]

There is nothing the NCAA can do about NIL
, they have no authority. NYS along with other states have stated in their state laws that schools in their states can't be punished by the NCAA if they come up with different rules then the state. They also state that the NCAA may not open an investigation about a school in their state.
The moment the NCAA says something about any school in any state they will get sued by everyone, and that will effectively end the organization.

I didn't say anything about the NCAA.

I specified: another conference.

 

[baggerbob]

I didn't say anything about the NCAA.

I specified: another conference.

And I let you know that the NCAA can't do anything about NIL rules the states have made the rules and the NCAA can't punish anyone, there is no regulations that the NCAA can impose.

 

[RF2044]

And I let you know that the NCAA can't do anything about NIL rules the states have made the rules and the NCAA can't punish anyone, there is no regulations that the NCAA can impose.

Which had / has zero to do with my post, but ok.

Beyond all bets or off. Which I suppose, could be what you are suggesting.

In which case, also ok. the ncaa

 

[Nicknack]

Having Tom Brady, Jimmy Fallon and all the others come to your games can provide some great buzz. But not when you lose to UNC by 13 when Brady is in the house.
Then it's an embarrassment.

I would agree for most of us. However, there are a lot of fans who go to games who might feel differently. Adam received a lot of positive feedback from some fans on his Facebook page afterwards, which kinda supports that notion. They didn't describe it being embarrassing at all.

 

[miamicuse]

What Eric15 said.

+ Maliq Brown was from Virginia. Justin Taylor, also Virginia. Incoming Sadiq White is from North Carolina. That’s three pretty recent “ACC kids,” if there were such a thing.

How many college bball rivalries really mean much anymore? Duke Carolina. Anything else? Is Michigan Michigan State a thing? I doubt recruits factor any of that.

And the downturn in recruiting has been discussed many times by insiders. JB’s effort declined significantly. There were misses in talent/fit assessments. The one that blows my mind is that JB vetoed SGAlexander. I’d really like to hear more about the specifics on that.

...and many kids are coming from AAUs often not located in their home states.i

I heard but not sure so take it with a grain of salt that SGA was vetoed by JB because he didn't want Hop to build his own team in preparation to taking over.

 

[kcsu]

I would agree for most of us. However, there are a lot of fans who go to games who might feel differently. Adam received a lot of positive feedback from some fans on his Facebook page afterwards, which kinda supports that notion. They didn't describe it being embarrassing at all.

So many fans across the country go to games and events because they are fun, have a vibe etc... Not necessarily or Soley just for the game. My wife used to go to SU games with me before she passed and could care less about the game. She enjoyed the tailgates and the excitement if it was a good game. It is more about the scene for many fans. Adam brought that to Cuse. What he did was nothing but positive for the program. I have never understood why some people give him a hard time.

 

[tptcuse]

So many fans across the country go to games and events because they are fun, have a vibe etc... Not necessarily or Soley just for the game. My wife used to go to SU games with me before she passed and could care less about the game. She enjoyed the tailgates and the excitement if it was a good game. It is more about the scene for many fans. Adam brought that to Cuse. What he did was nothing but positive for the program. I have never understood why some people give him a hard time.

I can understand why other big money donors would have a problem with it and why the university was concerned. It does seem like they can come to some agreement that would be mutually beneficial. The teams need as much NIL as they can get and if celebrities add some enthusiasm for casuals, then great. People get too idealistic about this stuff.

 

[Col. Bleep]

The Big East back in the day did help all the Big East schools recruit at the highest level. Gavitt was a marketing genius and got television exposure for the league. The Big East and basketball was very similar to the SEC and football today. It was a far better fit for SU than the ACC is today.

True...and it sparks a question.
Couldn't SU offer players a great deal of non-revenue help?

The GM for Duke previously worked as a Nike marketing exec.
She helps recruits with branding their NIL's.

Syracuse through Newhouse should have some top minds available for marketing, promotion, advertising, public relations, public speaking, sports management issues and a lot more.
Couldn't players be the focus for individual projects much like certain companies are for Harvard Business School plans?
Wouldn't that be another compelling pitch?
Is it being done now?
If not, why not start it?
How could it hurt?