No beef on DL

[kcsu]

lets review the teams we play and how they run the ball before we worry about all the teams running it down our throat.. how many teams run power sets on our schedule?

All of them once they line up against us.

 

[IthacaMatt]

It’s amazing how many people assume big is better. It’s a 80’s mindset. Players don’t wear neck collars and just play between the tackles anymore. Schemes change and players are BFS. This defense gives opposing offensive line fits. Very hard to block faster athletic DE’s and LB’s. If the O lineman have bad feet they are dead meat. People want unique but then complain about the defense.

We are talking the following: our BIGGEST GUYS are 240 to 260.

They will be outweighed by 100 pounds.

I wouldn't mind having at lease one big, big guy if we're going to play only 1 DT in case we're getting absolutely steam rolled by a big line. Just to clog the lanes.

We don't even have the 280 pound guys that you're talking about. I could live with 280 - 300 for the DT spot, and 240 to 260 for the DEs.

We are currently about 20 pounds light of both of those targets. We have LBs that are bigger than DEs in our two deep. That isn't optimal.

 

[Cusefan69]

People want Alabama football in central New York despite 320 lb players that run like middle linebackers not really existing north of the Mason Dixon.

Our defensive scheme and players are not the issue at Syracuse (which you know), it's our inconsistent offense. If we could ever give this defense a 9+ point lead to work with, look out.

Unique is what Syracuse need to be and I think we finally have those identities on both sides of the ball.

I agree that overall it’s on the offense and not the defense but as a follow up on the defense. We were good with Rosco, Black, Williams and Harper. None of those guys were 300. They ranged from 275 to 290. It’s my impression that is the desired weight range for the dline in this scheme. Would that be accurate? If so then it’s probably fair to say that if our largest dline player is 268 right now, that by the time the season starts we would want two to three guys in the 280 range? In my opinion thats not asking for 320 pounders, thats just asking for guys who fit the scheme?

 

[IthacaMatt]

It’s amazing how many people assume big is better. It’s a 80’s mindset. Players don’t wear neck collars and just play between the tackles anymore. Schemes change and players are BFS. This defense gives opposing offensive line fits. Very hard to block faster athletic DE’s and LB’s. If the O lineman have bad feet they are dead meat. People want unique but then complain about the defense.

Football is like basketball.

Yes, it evolves. Yes, there are trends.

You may want speed. There may have been a premium on it ever since those Bad Boy Univ. of Miami teams 30 years ago.

But you still need to have strength in your roster, too. It's a man's game.

 

[money3189]

Football is like basketball.

Yes, it evolves. Yes, there are trends.

You may want speed. There may have been a premium on it ever since those Bad Boy Univ. of Miami teams 30 years ago.

But you still need to have strength in your roster, too. It's a man's game.

When did I say you don’t need strength? I have continuously said we need two transfers with experienced bodies. It need to be the right bodies and the right fits. Staff has time to get that.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I agree that overall it’s on the offense and not the defense but as a follow up on the defense. We were good with Rosco, Black, Williams and Harper. None of those guys were 300. They ranged from 275 to 290. It’s my impression that is the desired weight range for the dline in this scheme. Would that be accurate? If so then it’s probably fair to say that if our largest dline player is 268 right now, that by the time the season starts we would want two to three guys in the 280 range? In my opinion thats not asking for 320 pounders, thats just asking for guys who fit the scheme?

I agree with the weight ranges. In looking back at last year's stats, we only got overrun badly by NC State, and were surprisingly even on the ground in our other losses. But the guys you list above had a lot more experience that we have right now.

We definitely need about 2 or 3 reinforcements on the DL, because it's not like we're going to go a whole season without a couple guys getting hurt on each line. That's just the nature of football.

 

[money3189]

We are talking the following: our BIGGEST GUYS are 240 to 260.

They will be outweighed by 100 pounds.

I wouldn't mind having at lease one big, big guy if we're going to play only 1 DT in case we're getting absolutely steam rolled by a big line. Just to clog the lanes.

We don't even have the 280 pound guys that you're talking about. I could live with 280 - 300 for the DT spot, and 240 to 260 for the DEs.

We are currently about 20 pounds light of both of those targets. We have LBs that are bigger than DEs in our two deep. That isn't optimal.

240 is light for this scheme. They haven’t had many guys play at that size. Why would you assume they won’t add functional weight to the guys they have now and look to bring in transfers? Ideally they want guys between 260-280. White knows what’s best for his defense.

 

[orangepassion]

Linton at 217 was the most shocking to me. He's already been on campus for a few years.

 

[IthacaMatt]

When did I say you don’t need strength? I have continuously said we need two transfers with experienced bodies. It need to be the right bodies and the right fits. Staff has time to get that.

240 is light for this scheme. They haven’t had many guys play at that size. Why would you assume they won’t add functional weight to the guys they have now and look to bring in transfers? Ideally they want guys between 260-280. White knows what’s best for his defense.

Adding 10 pounds of quality weight in 5 or 6 months is a lot. 20 to 40 will slow any player down, added over such a short period of time.

My point is that we need more guys *now*, and while the other guys are promising, among the guys who are promising, maybe half will work out.

We don't have the roster we need on the DL right now; we agree.

I think that after graduation, if it was my "board", I would be looking for:

2-3 DTs, 1 C/G, 1 Stud WR, 1 LB

I think we have a pretty strong roster, or pretty promising prospects, pretty much everywhere else. Especially with this new coaching staff.

 

[money3189]

Linton at 217 was the most shocking to me. He's already been on campus for a few years.

I’m more surprised by that. He was suppose to be sliding back down to DL but he’s light for LB. I have no idea what the play is for him. Lol.

 

[money3189]

My point is that we need more guys *now*, and while the other guys are promising, among the guys who are promising, maybe half will work out.

My man. Do you actually read my posts or just think about how you want to respond?

 

[IthacaMatt]

Linton at 217 was the most shocking to me. He's already been on campus for a few years.

This is why you don't assume guys can add 20-40 pounds of good weight in an offseason. Can't be done. 10-20 lbs, tops in an offseason, and not everybody can automatically do that.

After that, you're just either too fat / too slow, or too muscled up and you lost flexibility and become prone to muscle injuries.

 

[IthacaMatt]

My man. Do you actually read my posts or just think about how you want to respond?

I said I agree with you on some things, but not others. Why so touchy?
Did you not just say that guys on the line could add 20-40 pounds by fall?

Do you also not agree that most of the guys currently on the roster do not meet ordinary size projections that you and others have shared?

I've said we're 20 lbs light across the board. Not everybody is going to gain that weight and stay as fast.

 

[money3189]

I said I agree with you on some things, but not others. Why so touchy?
Did you not just say that guys on the line could add 20-40 pounds by fall?

Agree about what? I’m telling you what they want. You disagree with the staff? You try to find something to dispute when there is nothing there.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Move Ellis inside. Boom. There's your size.

 

[CbusCuse]

We certainly don't want immovable objects on the DL and require explosive guys in this scheme. I certainly don't think we need 300 lb guys in there but i would prefer at least 3 guys in the rotation over 270 lbs. I mean what happens if one or two get injured. I feel like maybe we could be optimal with 280 lbs in the middle and 265 lbs on one end and 255 lbs on the other end. But by looking at some of the weight changes it appears to me like the staff is thinking they don't really need any guys over 270 lbs and don't think they need to be as big at DE as we have been either. It appears they have had many guys drop weight on purpose. That many guys don't drop weight and it not be on purpose.

Geer down from 255 to 243, -12
Simmons down from 255 to 253, -2
Locket down from 265 to 264, -1
Linton down from 225 to 217, -8
Okechukwu from 265 to 269, +4
Darton down from 295 to 268m -27
McDonald down from 230 to 229, -1
Lockett down from 265 to 264, -1
Fuentes-Cundiff down from 275 to 266, -9

Darton down 27 lbs is pretty surprising. Thought he'd be the one guy on the roster they could go to for some beef. Fuentes-Cundiff dropping 9 and Geer dropping 12 are very shocking to me. Seemed they could be explosive at their previous weight and I thought they would both possibly gain weight. Guess the staff figures they will be more explosive and useful at a lighter weight. Linton dropping weight makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I don't see how he can be of any use at 217 lbs. But he has always seemed to struggled with adding bulk.

Interestingly enough though, two of our starting LB's have gained a lot of weight and are about the same weight as our DE's. Seems like we want a whole bunch of 240-265 lbs guys running around out there. Coaches must not be concerned at all about teams putting their big packages in and trying to power run on us. I guess they prefer more speed in hopes of it creating more big plays in the way of tackles for loss, sacks and turnovers? Hope it works out.

Thompson up from 235 to 247, +12
Wax up from 235 to 245, +10
Mikel Jones up from 220 to 225, +5

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Linton at 217 was the most shocking to me. He's already been on campus for a few years.

McPhail, the walk on QB, is the next numerical player on the roster. He’s also 217. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a database error.

 

[CbusCuse]

Also wondering if they plan to blitz the LB's more to both help stop the run and rush the passer and drop into coverage less. Trying to turn up the pressure.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

All of them once they line up against us.

Well, fortunately, no one is going to line up in the Power I for 60 snaps next year.

 

[TexanMark]

Linton at 217 was the most shocking to me. He's already been on campus for a few years.

I just watch a bit of the Liberty game and say a quick view of him on the sideline. He looked physically like a D3 DE. 217 looked about right.

 

[TexanMark]

When did I say you don’t need strength? I have continuously said we need two transfers with experienced bodies. It need to be the right bodies and the right fits. Staff has time to get that.

I think they need a couple big guys like Harper for short down and goal line packages.

 

[money3189]

We certainly don't want immovable objects on the DL and require explosive guys in this scheme. I certainly don't think we need 300 lb guys in there but i would prefer at least 3 guys in the rotation over 270 lbs. I mean what happens if one or two get injured. I feel like maybe we could be optimal with 280 lbs in the middle and 265 lbs on one end and 255 lbs on the other end. But by looking at some of the weight changes it appears to me like the staff is thinking they don't really need any guys over 270 lbs and don't think they need to be as big at DE as we have been either. It appears they have had many guys drop weight on purpose. That many guys don't drop weight and it not be on purpose.

Geer down from 255 to 243, -12
Simmons down from 255 to 253, -2
Locket down from 265 to 264, -1
Linton down from 225 to 217, -8
Okechukwu from 265 to 269, +4
Darton down from 295 to 268m -27
McDonald down from 230 to 229, -1
Lockett down from 265 to 264, -1
Fuentes-Cundiff down from 275 to 266, -9

Darton down 27 lbs is pretty surprising. Thought he'd be the one guy on the roster they could go to for some beef. Fuentes-Cundiff dropping 9 and Geer dropping 12 are very shocking to me. Seemed they could be explosive at their previous weight and I thought they would both possibly gain weight. Guess the staff figures they will be more explosive and useful at a lighter weight. Linton dropping weight makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I don't see how he can be of any use at 217 lbs. But he has always seemed to struggled with adding bulk.

Interestingly enough though, two of our starting LB's have gained a lot of weight and are about the same weight as our DE's. Seems like we want a whole bunch of 240-265 lbs guys running around out there. Coaches must not be concerned at all about teams putting their big packages in and trying to power run on us. I guess they prefer more speed in hopes of it creating more big plays in the way of tackles for loss, sacks and turnovers? Hope it works out.

Thompson up from 235 to 247, +12
Wax up from 235 to 245, +10
Mikel Jones up from 220 to 225, +5

It is clear as day. I’ve said this since the day they installed the defense. Some just choose to ignore it.

 

[OttosDad]

lol why are people freaking out? Its only March. We already knew what they had coming back and who needs to get bigger and stronger. They have transfer targets. Weve been talking about the youth up front since the season ended. They have to bring in guys that fit and can actually give good production in their system. They are not going to just get any transfer. Dont want to throw round pegs into a square hole.

Agreed. Bring in a transfer or two and then you need guys like Lockett, EFC, maybe Simmons to add weight. All of them were up over 250 last season. Lockett and EFC were near 270. Those two guys will, inevitably be tested this year with large role.

 

[money3189]

Agreed. Bring in a trader or two and then you need guys like Lockett, EFC, maybe Simmons to add weight. All of them were up over 250 last season. Lockett and EFC were near 270. Those two guys will, inevitably be tested this year with large role.

Yup. Its only March. They have time.

 

[SouthernCuse]

Um, this is a family friendly site…

Your quest for “beef on the DL” is your private, personal business.

No judgment here.

lol, that's terrible.