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money3189 said:
White is sticking to the San Diego st model. Where it was mastered. They were a very good run stopping defense for years. I’ll take the 26th ranked defense any day. When was the last time SU's defense was ranked that high?
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True. But our 26th ranked D was with guys who i considered more prototypical size. Now Is that going to improve with lighter guys by design? I guess we'll see. But to be fair our crew will be much young this year as well and we have a harder schedule so rankings won't tell the whole story. And is it a concern that San Diego State mainly played against lesser coemption than we do and probably smaller dudes than our ACC foes?
 
CbusCuse said:
True. But our 26th ranked D was with guys who i considered more prototypical size. Now Is that going to improve with lighter guys by design? I guess we'll see. But to be fair our crew will be much young this year as well and we have a harder schedule so rankings won't tell the whole story. And is it a concern that San Diego State mainly played against lesser coemption than we do and probably smaller dudes than our ACC foes?
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I didnt say anything about next years defense. Just saying it was a productive unit in 2021. I didnt say we are taking San Diego's st players and using them in the ACC. We are using their system and recruiting ACC level players to play in it. Its a successful scheme when you recruit and run it right. Just like any other scheme. What is this grudge people are holding with the defense? lol I dont get it.
 
money3189 said:
I didnt say anything about next years defense. Just saying it was a productive unit in 2021. I didnt say we are taking San Diego's st players and using them in the ACC. We are using their system and recruiting ACC level players to play in it. Its a successful scheme when you recruit and run it right. Just like any other scheme. What is this grudge people are holding with the defense? lol I dont get it.
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No I love this defense. I just assumed you meant we were going smaller like San Diego St. I'm just still unsure if going a lot smaller than we were last year is a good thing or not.
 
CbusCuse said:
No I love this defense. I just assumed you meant we were going smaller like San Diego St. I'm just still unsure if going a lot smaller than we were last year is a good thing or not.
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We've been lighter the last couple years. 260-280 range. This is not anything new. The younger D Lineman will add more functional weight and the staff is still looking to bring in a transfer or two.
 
syrBossHogg said:
If I remember I think Roscoe was a June transfer, and Alton showed up in August during camp as well. It's possible to find a couple DL. I hope they do
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From everything I’ve heard and seen is that they want to use spring ball to see what they have and then IF NEEDED (meaning if they determine it’s needed) will look at bringing in a transfer or two

Many players will enter name into transfer portal after spring practices on their various teams.

Patience will pay off
 
And FYI that Syracuse 26th ranking was actually our Rush D ranking. Our Total Defense ranking was actually 19th. All according to NCAA stats. NCAA College Football FBS current team Stats | NCAA.com
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Since we brought up the San Diego Defense I looked up their DL sizes for 2021. You can see they were ranked 3rd and 12th respectively. For reference, their starting 3 were 265 lbs, 305 lbs, and 275 lbs.
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I will also note that all of the depth behind the San Diego St starters is quite a bit lighter though
 
CbusCuse said:
I will also note that all of the depth behind the San Diego St starters is quite a bit lighter though
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I watched a lot of San Diego st defense prior to this year. The Cameron Thomas kid played a lot of 3 tech. At 265 pounds. Thats impressive.
 
CbusCuse said:
I will also note that all of the depth behind the San Diego St starters is quite a bit lighter though
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Yep...and the heavier guys are seniors while most of the lighter guys are underclassmen. It is a demonstration that they develop their DL through the S&C program as the young men mature physically.
 
richard levy said:
That, the top 20-30, or more, teams in the country don’t subscribe to that method. And is fantasy to think that we will ever become one of those teams until we can recruit bigger DL’s. If you look at the 18 offers for DL’s on 247, half of them already are listed at over 275lbs, one at over 300. Don’t think that if SU get them, we wouldn’t take them.The Roscoes are outliers.
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Ok tell Tony White his scheme is a fantasy then. He is doing it wrong. Don't force yourself to watch it. You can watch the top 20-30 teams that demonstrate real football.
 
money3189 said:
When did I ever say the scheme is full proof? No scheme is. Each scheme present certain challenges and I was simply telling people what the 3–3-5 does. I run it myself. It still comes down to fundamentals and discipline no matter what scheme you run. SU is not recruiting 300 pound DT’s. And they are certainly not getting ones that can run 4.8 40’s like the SEC has. Look at SU’s roster. Do you not see DLineman weights? How is that a theory? Lol
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Theory, a belief or policy followed as the basis of action. Yes, i think theory works here. Full proof, those are your words. What we have, and what we want, are two different things. We are recruiting bigger DL. No, they aren't SEC caliber. But we have offered bigger lineman, many at 275+, several at, near, or over 300lbs. Its not that we don't need them. We do. We are recruiting them, which i interpret as the belief that the staff believes they would make the defense better. Or why recruit them. Failure to acknowledge that is, well, denial. Somehow, you are interpreting this as a personal attack
 
richard levy said:
Theory, a belief or policy followed as the basis of action. Yes, i think theory works here. Full proof, those are your words. What we have, and what we want, are two different things. We are recruiting bigger DL. No, they aren't SEC caliber. But we have offered bigger lineman, many at 275+, several at, near, or over 300lbs. Its not that we don't need them. We do. We are recruiting them, which i interpret as the belief that the staff believes they would make the defense better. Or why recruit them. Failure to acknowledge that is, well, denial. Somehow, you are interpreting this as a personal attack
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You're equating weight with ability. I'm sure the staff would like to have 300 lb guys who have the quickness that they target. But if forced to pick size or quickness, the staff picks quickness every time.
 
richard levy said:
Theory, a belief or policy followed as the basis of action. Yes, i think theory works here. Full proof, those are your words. What we have, and what we want, are two different things. We are recruiting bigger DL. No, they aren't SEC caliber. But we have offered bigger lineman, many at 275+, several at, near, or over 300lbs. Its not that we don't need them. We do. We are recruiting them, which i interpret as the belief that the staff believes they would make the defense better. Or why recruit them. Failure to acknowledge that is, well, denial. Somehow, you are interpreting this as a personal attack
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What list are you looking at? Are you including the strong and weakside ends also? Their DL is primarily made up of those two positions. Keep in mind the first 4 prospects on this list are 4 stars. Bigger is better when they can move well but we are probably not going to receive commitments from those top 4.


Markis Deal
DT
5.8
6'6"
290
Garland, TX
9
Undecided

A'mauri Washington
DT
5.8
6'5"
295
Chandler, AZ
10
Undecided

Sydir Mitchell
DT
5.8
6'6"
310
Oradell, NJ
15
Undecided

Joel Starlings
DT
5.8
6'4"
310
Richmond, VA
18
Undecided

Isaiah Neal
DT
5.7
6'3"
270
Baltimore, MD
32
Undecided

Gensley Auguste
DT
5.5
6'6"
255
West Orange, NJ
Undecided

Jason Hammond
DT
5.6
6'2"
283
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Undecided

Connor Knight
DT
5.6
6'3"
265
Pinson, AL
Undecided

Dairo Melendez
DT
0
6'2"
275
Miami, FL
Undecided

Roderick Pierce III
DT
5.6
6'3"
265
Chicago, IL
Undecided

Malik Tullis
DT
5.5
6'2"
260
Fairburn, GA
Undecided

Gabriel Harris
SDE
5.9
6'4"
254
Thomasville, GA
7
Undecided

Rueben Bain
SDE
5.8
6'3"
249
Miami, FL
17
Undecided

Jalen Thompson
SDE
5.8
6'4"
245
Detroit, MI
19
Undecided

Wilky Denaud
SDE
5.8
6'4"
245
Fort Pierce, FL
28
Undecided

DJ Samuels
SDE
5.6
6'1"
240
Oradell, NJ
50
Undecided

David Anderson
SDE
0
6'4"
245
Hampton, VA
Undecided

Dillan Fontus
SDE
5.5
6'5"
260
Brooklyn, NY
Undecided

Kamran James
SDE
0
6'6"
265
Orlando, FL
Undecided

Kion Wright
SDE
5.6
6'3"
238
Philadelphia, PA
Undecided

Matayo Uiagalelei
WDE
6
6'6"
270
Bellflower, CA
2
Undecided

Cameron Lenhardt
WDE
5.8
6'3"
240
Bradenton, FL
21
 
money3189 said:
What list are you looking at? Are you including the strong and weakside ends also? Their DL is primarily made up of those two positions. Keep in mind the first 4 prospects on this list are 4 stars. Bigger is better when they can move well but we are probably not going to receive commitments from those top 4.


Markis Deal
DT
5.8
6'6"
290
Garland, TX
9
Undecided

A'mauri Washington
DT
5.8
6'5"
295
Chandler, AZ
10
Undecided

Sydir Mitchell
DT
5.8
6'6"
310
Oradell, NJ
15
Undecided

Joel Starlings
DT
5.8
6'4"
310
Richmond, VA
18
Undecided

Isaiah Neal
DT
5.7
6'3"
270
Baltimore, MD
32
Undecided

Gensley Auguste
DT
5.5
6'6"
255
West Orange, NJ
Undecided

Jason Hammond
DT
5.6
6'2"
283
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Undecided

Connor Knight
DT
5.6
6'3"
265
Pinson, AL
Undecided

Dairo Melendez
DT
0
6'2"
275
Miami, FL
Undecided

Roderick Pierce III
DT
5.6
6'3"
265
Chicago, IL
Undecided

Malik Tullis
DT
5.5
6'2"
260
Fairburn, GA
Undecided

Gabriel Harris
SDE
5.9
6'4"
254
Thomasville, GA
7
Undecided

Rueben Bain
SDE
5.8
6'3"
249
Miami, FL
17
Undecided

Jalen Thompson
SDE
5.8
6'4"
245
Detroit, MI
19
Undecided

Wilky Denaud
SDE
5.8
6'4"
245
Fort Pierce, FL
28
Undecided

DJ Samuels
SDE
5.6
6'1"
240
Oradell, NJ
50
Undecided

David Anderson
SDE
0
6'4"
245
Hampton, VA
Undecided

Dillan Fontus
SDE
5.5
6'5"
260
Brooklyn, NY
Undecided

Kamran James
SDE
0
6'6"
265
Orlando, FL
Undecided

Kion Wright
SDE
5.6
6'3"
238
Philadelphia, PA
Undecided

Matayo Uiagalelei
WDE
6
6'6"
270
Bellflower, CA
2
Undecided

Cameron Lenhardt
WDE
5.8
6'3"
240
Bradenton, FL
21
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247 list. don't know this list. But even on this list, the DT's are bigger than anyone we have. For third time, my point is, yes we CURRENTLY have smaller guys on the roster. But we are recruiting many DL that are bigger than anyone we currently have. which in my OPINION, indicates that the current staff wants bigger as in heavier DL's. Nothing more, nothing less. This is like Sonny Corleone talking to Michael, "he's taking this very personal". I will proactively add this, by saying you are my superior in every aspect of football knowledge and i submit to your far superior football intellect and i will never comment on any post of yours again. Cheers
 
Does anyone know the status of Jalen Moss (correct name?) the big DT from Fairport who did not qualify several years ago?

Does SU have interest in him?

Does he have interest in SU?

He was a top 5 NYS DT coming out of HS and had committed but had to go to JUCO.
 
BANYC said:
Does anyone know the status of Jalen Moss (correct name?) the big DT from Fairport who did not qualify several years ago?

Does SU have interest in him?

Does he have interest in SU?

He was a top 5 NYS DT coming out of HS and had committed but had to go to JUCO.
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I am likely mistaken...but I believe that he had to go the JUCO route
 
money3189 said:
Those were my thoughts as well but Ive noticed White runs his base defense no matter where they are at on the field. So I dont know how much that will help them overall. He is going to live and die with it. If you get their fast, and bring more guys to the point of attack you can be just as effective. I like to compare it to a faster and more athletic basketball team that runs a full court press. Trapping and forcing turnovers. They want to get up and down the court instead of playing a half court team that is bigger than them. It doesnt mean you are always going to be successful but that's with any scheme.
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Aaron Donald one of the best Defensive lineman in the NFL is still only 280. 7 years as an all pro, I guess he is to small.
 
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