Northeastern Postgame

[sufan59]

It’s not the new rosters, it’s a lack of a consistent system that produces winning establishing an identity.

 

[Bulldog04]

There is something else that motivates besides respect. Fear. And that is something that I don't think they do. They aren't worried about him benching them. They aren't afraid of him yelling at them. And I have to wonder a bit if getting a money has something to do with that. Although, other coaches aren't having that problem.

100 percent right. The only money they used to get was if they played hard and were good enough to get to the league. Now these guys are getting paid no matter what or how bad they play. I see that as the biggest thing regarding attitudes.

 

[capeorange]

They respect him and love him but they act like they don’t need the help.

It certainly doesn't appear that way

 

[Blanko97]

For me, this says a lot of where we are as a program now. I took a nap at the half of yesterdays game. I half expected us to be behind when I turned it back on. We were up 7, quickly 5, with a couple of minutes left. I used to live for these games. Now, I took a nap at the half. yeah, I'm older but still. We don't know these guys like we "used" to.

We’d live for it if they were good. It has nothing to do with the players staying around and everything to do with the results. Not to mention the kids would stick around longer if we didn’t stink and need to overhaul the team every year to try and compete

 

[CardiacCuse]

There is something else that motivates besides respect. Fear. And that is something that I don't think they do. They aren't worried about him benching them. They aren't afraid of him yelling at them. And I have to wonder a bit if getting a money has something to do with that. Although, other coaches aren't having that problem.

this is why you fill out your roster with 15 scholarships..the coach can use fear if he has to

 

[Scooch]

We’d live for it if they were good. It has nothing to do with the players staying around and everything to do with the results. Not to mention the kids would stick around longer if we didn’t stink and need to overhaul the team every year to try and compete

Yep. Over on the football board a bunch of folks used to talk about how it’s hard to care nowadays and all that.

Then we had a 10 win season and suddenly everyone cared. LOL.

I don’t love the way college sports has evolved. I’m far more of a pro fan at this point. But if SU was crushing it in hoops people would be invested. All my UConn-loving neighbors are certainly invested.

 

[Orangezoo]

Yep. Over on the football board a bunch of folks used to talk about how it’s hard to care nowadays and all that.

Then we had a 10 win season and suddenly everyone cared. LOL.

I don’t love the way college sports has evolved. I’m far more of a pro fan at this point. But if SU was crushing it in hoops people would be invested. All my UConn-loving neighbors are certainly invested.

The passion will never be the same but this is correct. We took a more pro approach to the GM position but we took a collegiate approach to the HC job and it’s gone about as you would expect when you take the old approach. There are exceptions for sure but in our case we need a talent hire not a continuity hire.

 

[oldpinepoint]

They respect him and love him but they act like they don’t need the help.

If I were red I would make them run till they puked

 

[Orangezoo]

100 percent right. The only money they used to get was if they played hard and were good enough to get to the league. Now these guys are getting paid no matter what or how bad they play. I see that as the biggest thing regarding attitudes.

What is your take on what we are getting out of Griff and DE on the staff? If you are comfortable sharing your take that is.

 

[5OutFred]

100 percent right. The only money they used to get was if they played hard and were good enough to get to the league. Now these guys are getting paid no matter what or how bad they play. I see that as the biggest thing regarding attitudes.

I just don't subscribe to this way of thinking - Houston's players don't play hard because of what they're getting paid, it's because their coach demands it, and they respect his authority.

Is it subconsciously part of it? Sure, it all is, but this isn't the driving factor, it's another excuse.

 

[Orangezoo]

I just don't subscribe to this way of thinking - Houston's players don't play hard because of what they're getting paid, it's because their coach demands it, and they respect his authority.

Is it subconsciously part of it? Sure, it all is, but this isn't the driving factor, it's another excuse.

It’s just more nuanced. If you get paid to play here you are joining a program that hasn’t set the expectations or proven their model can deliver them. So where Houston is battling mostly one problem with being able to pay we have no proven results, a coach new to being a HC and the money issue.

 

[Lame-0]

Of all the issues last night pulling kiyan with 4 min to go was inexplicable

I see plenty of posters complain that Red doesn't pull guys for not hustling. If he did that consistently, Kiyan would never stay in more than one defensive possession.

 

[Newhouser]

I just don't subscribe to this way of thinking - Houston's players don't play hard because of what they're getting paid, it's because their coach demands it, and they respect his authority.

Is it subconsciously part of it? Sure, it all is, but this isn't the driving factor, it's another excuse.

Exactly. Everyone is getting paid. Not every team has an effort problem.

 

[AZOrange]

I see plenty of posters complain that Red doesn't pull guys for not hustling. If he did that consistently, Kiyan would never stay in more than one defensive possession.

You have to win the game at that point and only kiyan and Nate could get their own shot

 

[RedtheGOB]

There is something else that motivates besides respect. Fear. And that is something that I don't think they do. They aren't worried about him benching them. They aren't afraid of him yelling at them. And I have to wonder a bit if getting a money has something to do with that. Although, other coaches aren't having that problem.

100%. Other coaches also have years of head coach experience at other levels and see the personalities that could be a problem in the locker room and on the court long before they fester. They also have proven staff and their job is to nip it in bud quickly.

For what it’s worth I don’t think we have any toxic guys but we have some guys that have some bad habits that were not nipped and now we’re seeing it fester on the court. If anything I saw some guys that were being too nice on the court the last few games like it was an exhibition.

 

[LarryC44]

If I were red I would make them run till they puked

That was my big fear playing sports in high school and college. Great motivator

 

[Widget24]

I mentioned in game thread that I sat first row behind the SU bench yesterday. Here’s a few things -
1. The guys are very engaged at the beginning of the game. The first 2 media timeouts, red was yelling at them “listen up, listen up, listen up and then went nuclear and said are you listening?!” It’s like they didn’t even care who they were playing or what they were being told
2. When they were losing, the players didn’t talk to each other at all. When winning, they were talking constantly
3. The bench is so supportive including Donnie. Constantly cheering and “defense chant” throughout the entire game
4. Red is always looking to make a substitute and I don’t understand why. It’s like he feels bad that certain guys aren’t playing or something. He needs to have a much better feel for the clock because every other possession he is looking to put someone in. Hes gotta be better with this. It’s like the game is moving wayyyy too fast for him
5. Brenden S Drew up defenses constantly in huddles and was yelling from the bench exactly what play NE was running and the guys just simply didn’t listen. He was getting annoyed as was I when literally he’s given them the answers to the test and they still weren’t acing it
6. Red said “Akir is just so light” to the coaches meaning he couldn’t hold his ground on some fouls
7. Donnie was highlight dunking in layup line and crowd and players were going nuts so that was good
8. Drives me crazy there are no ticket promotions or anything for these snooze fest games. There was 6 or 7 sections that didn’t have a person in them. Get creative and sell more tickets.
9. Red stressed “constant on ball and on man pressure” constantly throughout the game and timeouts. He kept saying that’s where the cuts were hurting them and getting them layups and open looks.
10. This is me not defending Red, but these kids act like they don’t need coaching. They really do. They probably listened to the coaching staff 25% of the time. I’m not even kidding. Maybe it was the opponent but the amount of effort was significant from red and especially BS, he was all over these guys with a great plan and they didn’t really listen.

I strongly encourage during these types of non conference games that if you can get to sit anywhere near the bench, you would see a lot of stuff you can’t see on tv.

Great stuff. I'll be sitting 5 rows from the bench at the Georgia Tech game and am hoping I might be able to observe some of this stuff too.

 

[capeorange]

I see plenty of posters complain that Red doesn't pull guys for not hustling. If he did that consistently, Kiyan would never stay in more than one defensive possession.

Or he would learn to play defense

 

[Bulldog04]

There’s just no fear anymore. I was afraid of Coach Smarelli at Nottingham when I played bball. You took pride in making your coach look good. Money has changed that in college bball. Hence why so many transfers. All of it

 

[2B20Again]

Cross posting this… Such a shame Red is good people and this is a team full of good kids and some serious athleticism and talent. The coaching chops and tenacity needed are not there. Honestly it’s like we have the most athletic roster of choir boys in the country out there with everyone’s favorite camp counselors leading from the bench.

 

[Sbucketball]

I don't want you guys to throw tomatoes at me because i know everyone's tired of me defending Quadir Copeland, but this respect talk is exactly what I was talking about when Quadir was fizzling out after Red's first year. Red didn't control him, scare him, whatever he needed to do. And Quadir didn't go to class or stay in line. Quadir is responsible for his own actions, but part of coaching high level college basketball is managing tough personalities. These guys view him as a buddy. Or get mad and view him as an ex-buddy. It works better for a Top Assistant (e.g. Hop), not a Head Coach. This was the red flag I was talking about two years ago.

 

[Sbucketball]

For me, this says a lot of where we are as a program now. I took a nap at the half of yesterdays game. I half expected us to be behind when I turned it back on. We were up 7, quickly 5, with a couple of minutes left. I used to live for these games. Now, I took a nap at the half. yeah, I'm older but still. We don't know these guys like we "used" to.

I didn't go as far as napping, but I'm also upper 30s and not a napper. But, I could never sit during a Syracuse game. Paced from family room to kitchen and on my feet the entire 2 hours. Now I sit or lay down on the couch and relax -- physically impossible for me during a game in past years. My kids climb on me, my dogs are no longer scared of the tension. Really hope it comes back, and soon.

 

[Bayside44]

The DO posted an in depth article on how they're addressing foul shooting.

As for the rest of it - no one was more truthful, more of a hardass on guys than JB. And plenty of players didn't like that either - took their ball to new programs - because that's easy now - where they ended up getting told the same thing.

 

[DoctahLexus]

George and Kiyan can get you a lot 1v1 if they have a slow unathletic guy guarding them. Put a guy with some more serious p4 speed and strength on them and they quickly go from focal points in the offense to black holes. JJ and Kingz have shown a better ability to generate scoring opportunities against tougher opponents. We will need their speed/first step against the tougher teams on the schedule. It would be great if this is a sign of things to come for George and Kiyan, but I can't forget how ineffective they looked off the dribble against the teams in Vegas/the Tennessee game.

I wish like hell we could push JJ to a bench role against tougher comp. His defensive effort/hustle was on point in Vegas/against Tennesee, but these last three games he has regressed to the same spacy lazy bs that made us distrust him in the first place. But I would only feel comfortable limiting his mins if we saw George or Kiyan actually own their matchups against a serious team, but so far they have only done that against scrubs. They are also not clearly better than him on the defensive end (especially Kiyan). Until they prove they can do it against the best, we will need significant minutes from JJ.

 

[jdubs30]

So basically we have the 10 most uncoachable kids in America? We do realize everyone is dealing with NIL and transfers right? So Red is telling them what to do and everyone is just ignoring him?

We must be terrible at identifying coachable personalities then.