Northwestern fires Pat Fitzgerald after hazing inquiry

[orangenauburn]

Sometimes numbers don’t tell the whole story and sometimes numbers can be manipulated to tell a story that you’d like to tell. Bottom line, Fitzgerald is a very good coach. Better than many and most certainly Schiano (and Dino too. I know people will want to debate, but knowledge college football followers outside CNY would not debate).

This situation is unfortunate.

I think these types of situations are more common throughout a number of programs than most would realize, which is gross, I know. I LOVE college football and it saddens me. I will also admit that I hypocritically, willfully choose to remain ignorant of all the bad stuff, just so I can watch my favorite sport on Saturdays. Having said that, if they universally tried to clean up all the crap that happens everywhere, even if it messed up my Saturdays, I’d be 100% behind it.

I said he was better than Greg

I also said the numbers show they are tailing off, and their records and performance the last few years are Rutgers esque

 

[SU91]

I said he was better than Greg

I also said the numbers show they are tailing off, and their records and performance the last few years are Rutgers esque

Agree. They are having some down years, but it is very hard to win there. In any case, we’ll see where this all goes.

 

[Finwad32]

This article reads to me like 1 against the rest of the team. If it’s systemic and truly causing issues/trauma let’s figure it out and clean it up.

If it’s one kid who was a HS all-star with a fragile ego who didn’t make it or fit in and went scorched earth, let’s clean that up too.

Regardless, it’s Fitzgerald’s program to monitor. But, unless more people come out on the accusers side of the story, I think this ends where it started. Short suspension and keep it moving.

Ex-player calls for Fitzgerald ouster after inquiry

A former Northwestern football player on Sunday detailed his hazing allegations that sparked a university-commissioned investigation and said Pat Fitzgerald should no longer be the coach of the program.

www.espn.com

 

[sufandu]

This article reads to me like 1 against the rest of the team. If it’s systemic and truly causing issues/trauma let’s figure it out and clean it up.

If it’s one kid who was a HS all-star with a fragile ego who didn’t make it or fit in and went scorched earth, let’s clean that up too.

Regardless, it’s Fitzgerald’s program to monitor. But, unless more people come out on the accusers side of the story, I think this ends where it started. Short suspension and keep it moving.

Ex-player calls for Fitzgerald ouster after inquiry

A former Northwestern football player on Sunday detailed his hazing allegations that sparked a university-commissioned investigation and said Pat Fitzgerald should no longer be the coach of the program.

www.espn.com

I don't know. The story in the Northwestern student paper said there was a second player that confirmed everything and, even though details varied, the other players interviewed gave enough information to confirm there was stuff going on.

 

[FloridaCuse]

I don't know. The story in the Northwestern student paper said there was a second player that confirmed everything and, even though details varied, the other players interviewed gave enough information to confirm there was stuff going on.

And I believe there were a few other former players who confirmed at least some of it to other reporters who reported it on Twitter.

 

[sufandu]

And I believe there were a few other former players who confirmed at least some of it to other reporters who reported it on Twitter.

And I would think the picture of the whiteboard with "Runsgiving" and "Shrek's list" is pretty strong evidence when combined with what was said.

 

[Finwad32]

And I would think the picture of the whiteboard with "Runsgiving" and "Shrek's list" is pretty strong evidence when combined with what was said.

Oh I’m not saying it didn’t happen at all. I’m saying nobody else is coming forward to say it bothered them.

 

[sufandu]

Oh I’m not saying it didn’t happen at all. I’m saying nobody else is coming forward to say it bothered them.

If others confirmed it happened and they say it didn't bother them, what does that say about how toxic the atmosphere is?

 

[kcsu]

This article reads to me like 1 against the rest of the team. If it’s systemic and truly causing issues/trauma let’s figure it out and clean it up.

If it’s one kid who was a HS all-star with a fragile ego who didn’t make it or fit in and went scorched earth, let’s clean that up too.

Regardless, it’s Fitzgerald’s program to monitor. But, unless more people come out on the accusers side of the story, I think this ends where it started. Short suspension and keep it moving.

Ex-player calls for Fitzgerald ouster after inquiry

A former Northwestern football player on Sunday detailed his hazing allegations that sparked a university-commissioned investigation and said Pat Fitzgerald should no longer be the coach of the program.

www.espn.com

I have a home in Evanston and this is a joke

 

[jgeorge322]

Oh I’m not saying it didn’t happen at all. I’m saying nobody else is coming forward to say it bothered them.

Sexualized hazing is high on the list of things that will get you shitcanned even if a scintilla of what that kid is saying is true. Id be surprised if Fitzgerald survives this.

 

[NYCCuse826]

The stuff described should be death penalty stuff. Shut the program down for a year. Get rid of all football staff. Every player transfers out, except the players that get to go jail. Start over from scratch. It doesn't even matter if some people didn't know. Sometimes innocent people get caught in the wake of fixing something.

Death penalty. Right. It wasn't done to Penn State and they had crimes committed against children. It's not going to happen here.

This article reads to me like 1 against the rest of the team. If it’s systemic and truly causing issues/trauma let’s figure it out and clean it up.

If it’s one kid who was a HS all-star with a fragile ego who didn’t make it or fit in and went scorched earth, let’s clean that up too.

Regardless, it’s Fitzgerald’s program to monitor. But, unless more people come out on the accusers side of the story, I think this ends where it started. Short suspension and keep it moving.

Ex-player calls for Fitzgerald ouster after inquiry

A former Northwestern football player on Sunday detailed his hazing allegations that sparked a university-commissioned investigation and said Pat Fitzgerald should no longer be the coach of the program.

www.espn.com

All it takes is one person. That's how Mike Leach lost his job at Texas Tech and he didn't do anything that was alleged.

 

[sufandu]

Death penalty. Right. It wasn't done to Penn State and they had crimes committed against children. It's not going to happen here.

All it takes is one person. That's how Mike Leach lost his job at Texas Tech and he didn't do anything that was alleged.

I'm not saying it will. I'm saying it should. And the difference is this is something that seems to be woven into the fabric of the program. Penn St was a perverted old man doing it in the shadows and Paterno did ultimately lose his job because he turned a blind eye to it.

 

[SU91]

I have a home in Evanston and this is a joke

How so? Which angle, the accusation or the handling?

 

[NYCCuse826]

I'm not saying it will. I'm saying it should. And the difference is this is something that seems to be woven into the fabric of the program. Penn St was a perverted old man doing it in the shadows and Paterno did ultimately lose his job because he turned a blind eye to it.

What Sandusky did was woven into the fabric of the program as well. He used the program as his preying grounds. Paterno lost his job only because of public pressure.

 

[All4SU]

I'm not saying it will. I'm saying it should. And the difference is this is something that seems to be woven into the fabric of the program. Penn St was a perverted old man doing it in the shadows and Paterno did ultimately lose his job because he turned a blind eye to it.

Paterno didn’t just turn a blind eye to it, he tried to suppress it.

 

[sufandu]

Paterno didn’t just turn a blind eye to it, he tried to suppress it.

Sure. That wasn't my point. My point was that it wasn't a significant portion of the team participating in it. Coaching and admin changes were required but not changes amongst players. This is sexual assault by players with seemingly acceptance by the coaches. It is woven through the fabric of the program.

 

[sufandu]

What Sandusky did was woven into the fabric of the program as well. He used the program as his preying grounds. Paterno lost his job only because of public pressure.

See my post above. It didn't involve the players.

 

[jncuse]

Fitz better hire Huggins lawyer

Which one?

 

[MSOrange]

 

[sufandu]

If there is evidence for the allegations, I don't know that this matters. If I had been assaulted, I would make it a goal to take him down too.

 

[orangeinohio]

A new set of allegations:

Former NU players describe racist environment in football program

Three former Northwestern football players described a “culture of enabling racism” to The Daily, recalling multiple racist actions and remarks from both coaching staff and players. All three players, who played for the team in late 2000s, also corroborated some of the hazing allegations...

dailynorthwestern.com

 

[sufandu]

A new set of allegations:

Former NU players describe racist environment in football program

Three former Northwestern football players described a “culture of enabling racism” to The Daily, recalling multiple racist actions and remarks from both coaching staff and players. All three players, who played for the team in late 2000s, also corroborated some of the hazing allegations...

dailynorthwestern.com

They mentioned "the carwash" in that article too.

 

[maxxyz]

If there is evidence for the allegations, I don't know that this matters. If I had been assaulted, I would make it a goal to take him down too.

Exactly. Blaming the victim seems to always be a go-to move in damage control.

ESPN seems to enjoy promoting the irrational defense response.

 

[sufandu]

Exactly. Blaming the victim seems to always be a go-to move in damage control.

ESPN seems to enjoy promoting the irrational defense response.

I'm fine with telling the whole story from every angle. I just don't think it matters if a guy has any vendetta if the allegations are true. And sometimes vendettas are justified anyway.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Eh, only key if nothing wrong actually happened.