Notre Dame in discussions with ACC

[Stern]

You are wrong. ND is not the best traveling team. ND does not get the highest TV ratings. You are stuck in the 90s. If I am a Bowl I rather have the #3 SEC pick tied in or the #2/3 B1G pick tied in than have ND. In both cases you will get a larger crowd and higher TV ratings. There is a reason why NBC is losing interest in broadcasting ND FB. If ND were a 10+ W team then they would be a draw. But a 9-3 or 8-4 ND is worthless. I am 110% thinking about money.

There are 5 Big Bowl games. The SEC and B1G should have 3 tie ins. The ACC/P12/B12 should each have one. That leaves one spot left for an at large. ND would have to fight for one spot with no guarantee. That is a lot worse than what they have now where they get in if they are Top 12.

NCG SEC vs X (LSU vs Bama)
Rose B1G vs P12 (Wisconsin vs Oregon)
Fiesta B12 vs at SEC (Okie St vs at large)
Sugar SEC vs B1G (Arkansas vs Michigan)
Orange ACC vs B1G (VT vs Nebraska)

That is the way it should be set up. Who ever makes the NCG #2 spot will leave a hole in one of the other Bowls. That hole would be filled with an at large. This year the way it plays out the at large would be between Boise, Michigan St, Stanford, South Carolina, UGA, Clemson, and ND. If ND beats Stanford they likely would get the at large.

The way you feel it should be set up in your head isn't reality though. Hate to break it to ya. Plus you can't have 3 SEC teams and 3 Big 10 teams in the BCS bowls this year. Rules only allow a conference to send 2 teams total. So you can't have Bama, LSU and Arkansas all going and Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nebraska going. Read up on the stuff before you tell me I'm wrong! Ok! And lean what the word "tie-in" means as well you are using it totally incorrectly.

And ND is the best traveling team with the highest ratings. That's a fact son! They are a "national" school with a national following. And you saying ND is worthless shows you don't understand the subject at hand. If ND is worthless how come every conference has an open invitation to them at any time to join. I mean seriously, you can't be serious. It obvious you HATE Notre Dame, but don't let it cloud your logic and facts.

 

[tbonezone]

point one. notre dame is gonna have to share football broadcast revenue with the conference.

 

[Stern]

point one. notre dame is gonna have to share football broadcast revenue with the conference.

I am pretty sure they are aware of that

 

[kingottoiii]

The way you feel it should be set up in your head isn't reality though. Hate to break it to ya. Plus you can't have 3 SEC teams and 3 Big 10 teams in the BCS bowls this year. Rules only allow a conference to send 2 teams total. So you can't have Bama, LSU and Arkansas all going and Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nebraska going. Read up on the stuff before you tell me I'm wrong! Ok! And lean what the word "tie-in" means as well you are using it totally incorrectly.

And ND is the best traveling team with the highest ratings. That's a fact son! They are a "national" school with a national following. And you saying ND is worthless shows you don't understand the subject at hand. If ND is worthless how come every conference has an open invitation to them at any time to join. I mean seriously, you can't be serious. It obvious you HATE Notre Dame, but don't let it cloud your logic and facts.

Duh. I was showing what it would look like under the new system,. That shouldn't be hard to follow. If ND is such a big deal than why is it that the BE champ gets $18 million for a BCS bid and ND would only get $5 million? Highest ratings my ass. That isn't a fact. Look at their ratings the last 10 years and it pales in comparison to the top schools. BTW I like ND they were my favorite team growing up. What I hate is that not one of the facts that you say is fact is in fact a fact. You use zero logic and zero facts. That is a fact.

 

[Stern]

What I hate is that not one of the facts that you say is fact is in fact a fact. You use zero logic and zero facts. That is a fact.

happy thanksgiving to you too...you are still 100% wrong!

 

[EastCoast2]

fingers crossed on this one

 

[KaiserUEO]

the king is on to something with the bcs and bowl tie ins. no REAL conference is going to allow nd to be taken over their #2 or #3. Syracuse, is now in a REAL conference. nd's hand is going to be forced. right now, nd is the rolling stones...havnt had a hit in years but still go on tour and pack stadiums. eventualy everyone will have seen them and wont care theyre back in town. pretty soon theyre going to find out that all the stadiums in the south in january, have booked a younger, hotter, more relevent act. joining a conference will save them from disgrace. when they choose...IM CONVINCED it will be the ACC. it just makes too much sense, east coast, a lot of private schools, the best all sports option and football teams that really arent perennial powers. as bad as theyve been, i say in the ACC the worst theyd finish is 4th. in the b1g, it would be ugly.

that said, 15 schools does not make sense for the ACC, theyd have to go 16. and since without nd, the b1g has no reason to expand...the 16th team will be rutgers.

i could even see temple.

but i want to be perfectly clear here......storz IS NOT, AND WILL NEVER BE.....AN OPTION.

 

[Toga]

I know it is the common wisdom that if you go 15 then you have to go 16. Yeah uneven stuff at the odd number. But are there NO reasonable workarounds? None?

 

[OrangeCrush22]

that said, 15 schools does not make sense for the ACC, theyd have to go 16. and since without nd, the b1g has no reason to expand...the 16th team will be rutgers.

i could even see temple.

but i want to be perfectly clear here......storz IS NOT, AND WILL NEVER BE.....AN OPTION.

I've been thinking about who would get the 16th spot. I think the candidate list looks like this.

Penn State (ACC wants them bad, they will probably never accept though)

Rutgers (high chance, NJ is a great northern recruiting state, large on campus football stadium)

Navy (medium chance, basketball would have a hard time competing. Football could slide in a conference also)

Connecticut (low-medium chance, already turned down.)

West Virginia (low chance, academics are worse than Temple's. Fits in geographically, if offered would probably ditch XII)
Temple (low chance, academics need improvement and there is already Pitt in PA)

Villanova (low chance, like UConn already turned down)

 

[KaiserUEO]

I know it is the common wisdom that if you go 15 then you have to go 16. Yeah uneven stuff at the odd number. But are there NO reasonable workarounds? None?

imo, none.

its one thing to ask 11 teams to work a bye or a non league game in oct/nov...its a complete disaster to ask that of 15 teams. plus 15 in hoop means no divisions and creates mayhem and unbalanced schedules with the need for traditional home/homes.

 

[Toga]

I've been thinking about who would get the 16th spot. I think the candidate list looks like this.

Penn State (ACC wants them bad, they will probably never accept though)

Rutgers (high chance, NJ is a great northern recruiting state, large on campus football stadium)

Navy (medium chance, basketball would have a hard time competing. Football could slide in a conference also)

Connecticut (low-medium chance, already turned down.)

West Virginia (low chance, academics are worse than Temple's. Fits in geographically, if offered would probably ditch XII)
Temple (low chance, academics need improvement and there is already Pitt in PA)

Villanova (low chance, like UConn already turned down)

Temple has poor academics?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I've been thinking about who would get the 16th spot. I think the candidate list looks like this.

Penn State (ACC wants them bad, they will probably never accept though)

Rutgers (high chance, NJ is a great northern recruiting state, large on campus football stadium)

Navy (medium chance, basketball would have a hard time competing. Football could slide in a conference also)

Connecticut (low-medium chance, already turned down.)

West Virginia (low chance, academics are worse than Temple's. Fits in geographically, if offered would probably ditch XII)
Temple (low chance, academics need improvement and there is already Pitt in PA)

Villanova (low chance, like UConn already turned down)

I'm not sure what your obsession with Navy is? They're a Patriot League team.

They're Colgate with a better football team.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I'm not sure what your obsession with Navy is? They're a Patriot League team.

They're Colgate with a better football team.

dude, he put penn state in his response.

that should tell you all you need to know.

has psu to the acc EVER been suggested by anyone at all???

heyzeus, that line couldve read:

New York Jets ( the ACC wants them bad, but they will probably never accept)

 

[kingottoiii]

imo, none.

its one thing to ask 11 teams to work a bye or a non league game in oct/nov...its a complete disaster to ask that of 15 teams. plus 15 in hoop means no divisions and creates mayhem and unbalanced schedules with the need for traditional home/homes.

The only work around is for the NCAA to add an acception for a 2nd conf playoff game. Then you can have three divisions of 5. The highest seeded division winner gets a bye.

FSU, Miami, UNC, NC St, Duke
ND, GA Tech, Pitt, BC, Wake
Clemson, VT, SU, UVA, MD

So if an 8 game schedule you ply every team twice in five years. With a 9 it is twice in four years. BBall you play everyone once and your division twice. Since every team has two bye weeks a year anyway I think having an odd number would work out. In addition the last game of the year for FSU, GA Tech, and Clemson are OOC games. That means you have 12 teams playing conference games the last weekend which is an even number.

 

[KaiserUEO]

The only work around is for the NCAA to add an acception for a 2nd conf playoff game. Then you can have three divisions of 5. The highest seeded division winner gets a bye.

FSU, Miami, UNC, NC St, Duke
ND, GA Tech, Pitt, BC, Wake
Clemson, VT, SU, UVA, MD

So if an 8 game schedule you ply every team twice in five years. With a 9 it is twice in four years. BBall you play everyone once and your division twice. Since every team has two bye weeks a year anyway I think having an odd number would work out. In addition the last game of the year for FSU, GA Tech, and Clemson are OOC games. That means you have 12 teams playing conference games the last weekend which is an even number.

not a bad thought, but will never happen. nobody wants a conference final 4.

right now the rematch of lsu-bama...is the NC.

hoop really needs to be 2 divisions.

 

[bnoro]

West Virginia (low chance, academics are worse than Temple's. Fits in geographically, if offered would probably ditch XII)

Um no way this happens. Love how Temple's the academic barometer here.:rolling:

 

[OrangeCrush22]

dude, he put penn state in his response.

that should tell you all you need to know.

has psu to the acc EVER been suggested by anyone at all???

heyzeus, that line couldve read:

New York Jets ( the ACC wants them bad, but they will probably never accept)

The ACC wants Penn State. The ACC's goal is Notre Dame and Penn State. That's what they are shooting for. Will they get it? Probably not, but I shouldn't be discredited for pointing out that the ACC wants them.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

I'm not sure what your obsession with Navy is? They're a Patriot League team.

They're Colgate with a better football team.

Navy was brought up by people, as a way of getting Notre Dame in the ACC.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Temple has poor academics?

Not good enough for the ACC. Temple is ranked lower than Florida State in academics. The ACC will not add a team lower than FSU. Which is why I put them down as a low chance.

 

[44PRIDE]

realistically, this is 2 spots for 3 (maybe 4) teams and thats it. ND, UConn, RU...and the extremely remote and unlikely chance that PSU would consider moving.

Outside of those schools, no one else should be getting any consideration.

 

[SU2NASA]

I don't buy any of this. Conference expansion looks dead unless ND does something, and ND doesn't have to. They can stay independent, have a home for their other sports, and the BCS may be opened up so that there are no conference autobids.

There is zero reason for them to do this right now. Maybe that will change, but it makes no sense now.

 

[arbitragegls]

If ND joins a conference...I believe it is the ACC...I also think the ACC will entice Notre Dame by allowing ND to finish out NBC contract before sharing revenue and off ND the right to pick 16...