Notre Dame vs The World

[HRE Otto IV]

It's not just TV ratings, it's fannies in seats because their games at the ACC stadiums usually have higher attendance than the rest of the ACC teams' home games.

Couple of three things.

ND isn't a conference game so it isn't fair to use that as a comparison. The comparison needs to be an OOC P4.

Most ACC teams play in small stadiums. So we are talking small bumps in fannies in seats. Something like instead of getting 48k you get 52k. While that is great, it only happens once every 6 years. Not really a big deal.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

You need to take a peak at ND's schedule over the next 6-7 years. They have a contract to play SEC schools -Alabama, Auburn, Texas, Florida, Arkansas along with annual deals with Clemson and Florida State. Also will play Michigan State and Wisconsin. They hardly lack for options.

How many of those are post Columbus Day?

How many of those will remain after the SEC move to 9 conference games?

They aren't playing USC anymore.

 

[Bayside44]

It's not just TV ratings, it's fannies in seats because their games at the ACC stadiums usually have higher attendance than the rest of the ACC teams' home games.

Yeah, but so what, that's not that big a deal and easily replaceable.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

They are acting like ND isn't working with the ACC on these schedules. You think the ACC is making ND play BC 7x in the last 13 years? And same for SU? Or is that what ND wanted?

 

[bpo57]

So beat Miami or ATM and stop scheduling Purdue? They obviously couldn't predict the train wreck Arkansas would be but it's also not hard to schedule a top half SEC team instead.

Yeah it's not hard they've already scheduled Bama, Texas, Auburn, Florida, and Arkansas over the next five years.

 

[bpo57]

That has 0 to do with their being able to choose a conference whenever they wish which was your point I responded to. The SEC nore B1G would allow them to join as non football nor is 50m anything to write home about especially to either aforementioned conference.

You misunderstood my point. They have options in terms of scheduling. They don't need options to join a conference for football. They have no intention of joining a conference for football.

 

[tbonezone]

I love you all but this is sounding like a bad case of envy of ND. ND is more prestigious when you look at the totality of their academics and athletics the SU...can we accept that?

ok you say more prestigious . so they get to play by different rules ?
which is it ? prestigious or elitist ? so go keep your football money and good luck surviving the other non revenue sports when the ACC won't play you in hoops or lax.

 

[bpo57]

I don't have to look at it sans football... my team is in a conference. I don't really care about 5-10k more tickets for a single game or the name Notre Dame on the, I'll go watch Cuse play Holy Cross.

You're the one that said ND takes more than it gives from the ACC. I think you got it backwards. Since 2014 excluding ND as an opponent, 23% of ACC games have been a sellout whereas 90% of ACC games involving ND have been sellouts.

 

[SURules]

I really want to smoke these entitled jokers next year.

 

[orangmannc1]

Did not realize that we play them also in 2029 in the Dome. They complaining scheduling ACC games, they are also playing Rice, Purdue, Wisconsin and Navy. Tough games there, NOT

 

[ImperialOrange]

You're the one that said ND takes more than it gives from the ACC. I think you got it backwards. Since 2014 excluding ND as an opponent, 23% of ACC games have been a sellout whereas 90% of ACC games involving ND have been sellouts.

5-10k more home football tickets sold every 3+ years do not offset the travel costs of all non football sports to and from South Bend every other year. Thus Notre Dame take more than they give, it's pretty simple maths.

 

[Tip Hill]

Notre Dame not making the playoff this season was the highlight of my college football season.

I have never understood why the ACC or any other conference allows them to cherry pick the benefits of conference membership without sharing the gravitas of their football program.

If Notre Dame threatens to go all independent then let them; unless they hook up with the Big East they will nave a heck of a time scheduling their 30+/- mens and women’s athletic teams as independents.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Notre Dame not making the playoff this season was the highlight of my college football season.

I have never understood why the ACC or any other conference allows them to cherry pick the benefits of conference membership without sharing the gravitas of their football program.

If Notre Dame threatens to go all independent then let them; unless they hook up with the Big East they will nave a heck of a time scheduling their 30+/- mens and women’s athletic teams as independents.

When Notre Dame approached the Big East back in 1995 about taking in their Hoops and Non-revenue programs, they were very clear that Football would NEVER be part of the equation.

The vote by the BE University Presidents was unanimous.

When ND approached the ACC with the same deal, the vote among the ACC University Presidents was overwhelmingly in support (and might even have been unanimous too).

Clearly all these University Presidents and Chancellors saw some benefit to having ND as a partial member.

Will the ACC survive without ND? Sure.

Will our TV revenue take a hit? Absolutely.

Will ND have a scheduling issue? No way. There will be teams lined up to play them.

Now we're back to having an odd number of Hoops teams.

 

[ar inj]

When Notre Dame approached the Big East back in 1995 about taking in their Hoops and Non-revenue programs, they were very clear that Football would NEVER be part of the equation.

The vote by the BE University Presidents was unanimous.

When ND approached the ACC with the same deal, the vote among the ACC University Presidents was overwhelmingly in support (and might even have been unanimous too).

Clearly all these University Presidents and Chancellors saw some benefit to having ND as a partial member.

Will the ACC survive without ND? Sure.

Will our TV revenue take a hit? Absolutely.

Will ND have a scheduling issue? No way. There will be teams lined up to play them.

Now we're back to having an odd number of Hoops teams.

There is always UConn. After all it is all about the Benjamin’s.

And will now ban myself (for a while).

 

[HRE Otto IV]

When Notre Dame approached the Big East back in 1995 about taking in their Hoops and Non-revenue programs, they were very clear that Football would NEVER be part of the equation.

The vote by the BE University Presidents was unanimous.

When ND approached the ACC with the same deal, the vote among the ACC University Presidents was overwhelmingly in support (and might even have been unanimous too).

Clearly all these University Presidents and Chancellors saw some benefit to having ND as a partial member.

Will the ACC survive without ND? Sure.

Will our TV revenue take a hit? Absolutely.

Will ND have a scheduling issue? No way. There will be teams lined up to play them.

Now we're back to having an odd number of Hoops teams.

I don't agree with any of that.

Take a hit? We are talking $1M per team tops. That is small potatoes. It isn't something to throw away but it isn't significant. It also ignores the costs of travel, an added loss to your FB team, and the money lost for non FB sports that has to be shared with ND. They take the same amount that they put in. It is a net zero.

IMO the biggest reason to add ND was Bowl tie ins which mean nothing now. That was the same case for the Big East. Better Bowls and being associated with ND was worth a lot more 10 years ago than it is today.

Explain how ND schedules any quality opponent past Columbus Day? No one decent wants to play them late in the year. At best they will play crappy P4s, which will hurt them like it did this year. Where are they getting 10 P4 games when all of the P4 will be at 9 conference games?

They will and can still get big games in September, but past then they will be stuck playing the BCs and Stanfords of the world.


Both the ACC and ND are better off together. In today's environment ND needs the ACC a lot more than the ACC needs ND (assuming ND wants to stay Indy).

 

[Tip Hill]

Will ND have a scheduling issue? No way. There will be teams lined up to play them.

You are wrong if you believe that as a full all sport independent Notre Dame will not have an “issue” (your term) scheduling its 24 non revenue sport teams late in each of those non revenue sport season when the major conferences are into full conference play.

Yeah, Notre Dame may get late season games for its women’s volleyball team against schools like Cleveland State but all of its non revenue sport teams will have a very difficult time getting an NCAA bid as an independent. Count the number of independents that received bids to the NCAA tournament in women’s rowing, men’s and women’s tennis, lacrosse, etc.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Is a divorce between ND & the ACC inevitable? The Athletic's Pete Sampson thinks it is.

Where Notre Dame’s ACC, ESPN and opt-out angst stands one week after CFP selection day

Irish fans have questions about how Notre Dame got here and how they can avoid a replay of this brutal end to a season.

www.nytimes.com

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Is a divorce between ND & the ACC inevitable? The Athletic's Pete Sampson thinks it is.

Where Notre Dame’s ACC, ESPN and opt-out angst stands one week after CFP selection day

Irish fans have questions about how Notre Dame got here and how they can avoid a replay of this brutal end to a season.

www.nytimes.com

Cliff notes?

IMO Notre Dame will try to keep whatever is left of the ACC together for as long as possible. I think they rather do business with Pitt, SU, BC, Stanford, Cal, SMU, Wake, and whatever else is left. That is still the best fit if ND wants to stay a FB Indy.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Cliff notes?

IMO Notre Dame will try to keep whatever is left of the ACC together for as long as possible. I think they rather do business with Pitt, SU, BC, Stanford, Cal, SMU, Wake, and whatever else is left. That is still the best fit if ND wants to stay a FB Indy.

Will do a summary of the article by the end of the day. Sorry for the delay.

 

[Chip]

Cliff notes?

IMO Notre Dame will try to keep whatever is left of the ACC together for as long as possible. I think they rather do business with Pitt, SU, BC, Stanford, Cal, SMU, Wake, and whatever else is left. That is still the best fit if ND wants to stay a FB Indy.

It's a mailbag, where he answers the question. He said it's been good for both parties, and listed the reasons. But thinks inevitably it will end. Ends it with the question being when and how much will it cost.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

It's a mailbag, where he answers the question. He said it's been good for both parties, and listed the reasons. But thinks inevitably it will end. Ends it with the question being when and how much will it cost.

Thanks.

They didn't leave the Big East until they had to. I don't see anything different happening with the ACC. I think they rather build an leftovers ACC catered to them than join the B1G/SEC or partial B12.

 

[Chip]

Thanks.

They didn't leave the Big East until they had to. I don't see anything different happening with the ACC. I think they rather build an leftovers ACC catered to them than join the B1G/SEC or partial B12.

He mentioned also how ND has scheduled a Clemson series outside of the ACC arrangement, and thinks they should do the same with Miami and Florida State.

 

[ImperialOrange]

He mentioned also how ND has scheduled a Clemson series outside of the ACC arrangement, and thinks they should do the same with Miami and Florida State.

Nice! If they win those games they'll probably even make the playoffs.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Is a divorce between ND & the ACC inevitable? The Athletic's Pete Sampson thinks it is.

Where Notre Dame’s ACC, ESPN and opt-out angst stands one week after CFP selection day

Irish fans have questions about how Notre Dame got here and how they can avoid a replay of this brutal end to a season.

www.nytimes.com

Doesn't a divorce first require a marriage? ACC is just the new side chick that replaced the Big East before them.

 

[Chip]

Doesn't a divorce first require a marriage? ACC is just the new side chick that replaced the Big East before them.

But definitely a more attractive side chick.

Although, like all of them, she has her good days and bad days.