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Notre Dame vs The World

Scooch said:
For the sake of board history, let it be known that “Notre Dame vs The World” was not the title I started this thread with, and I’m deeply offended that someone changed it to such a boring subject line.

I would have called it: Touchdown Grievance.
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Yeah, when I saw that I started the Malachi James to the portal thread I thought I don’t remember that. But I do drink a lot.
 
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bpo57 said:
Can't get behind the pay wall but do they say who the genius was that came up with that tiebreaker system? Maybe they need a new commish.
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Something like that wouldn’t be a one person decision.

“The league adopted its tiebreaker policies after scrapping divisions ahead of the 2024 season. Phillips said the policy was “unanimously supported.”

“Who knew that we would get to the seventh tiebreaker with five teams that were 6-2? The stars aligned in a way that nobody predicted,” Phillips said from the SBJ Intercollegiate Athletics Forum.”
 
SuFTW said:
Something like that wouldn’t be a one person decision.

“The league adopted its tiebreaker policies after scrapping divisions ahead of the 2024 season. Phillips said the policy was “unanimously supported.”

“Who knew that we would get to the seventh tiebreaker with five teams that were 6-2? The stars aligned in a way that nobody predicted,” Phillips said from the SBJ Intercollegiate Athletics Forum.”
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All the other conferences had straightforward logical solutions to deal with the unexpected if it were to occur. It's their job to expect the unexpected. The ACC didn't get the memo. Consequently we have a 21+ point dog in the CFP.
 
bpo57 said:
All the other conferences had straightforward logical solutions to deal with the unexpected if it were to occur. It's their job to expect the unexpected. The ACC didn't get the memo. Consequently we have a 21+ point dog in the CFP.
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They had 7 tie breakers. Not everything is foreseeable.
 
SuFTW said:
Easily could be problems with that too.
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That gives the ACC the best chance at the champ being Top 5. It would have been Miami vs UVA. The winner of that is a clear #4 this year. Miami might have had a playoff home game if they were ACC Champs.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
That gives the ACC the best chance at the champ being Top 5. It would have been Miami vs UVA. The winner of that is a clear #4 this year. Miami might have had a playoff home game if they were ACC Champs.
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Sure, may have worked this year. Hindsight is usually 20:20. My original point was that it was decided as a conference not by one person.
 
SuFTW said:
Sure, may have worked this year. Hindsight is usually 20:20. My original point was that it was decided as a conference not by one person.
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But they should have had that foresight after last year. It is pretty normal for the 2nd ACC CG team to not be Top 15. It is not like this season was an outlier. It is their job to actually think of these things.
 
bpo57 said:
All the other conferences had straightforward logical solutions to deal with the unexpected if it were to occur. It's their job to expect the unexpected. The ACC didn't get the memo. Consequently we have a 21+ point dog in the CFP.
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I think Miami getting in saved Phillips' job.

Just a complete and utter failure for Duke to have been in that CCG.
 
orange79 said:
Absolutely. Needs to be #1. Frustrating that it was not...
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Funny that the NFL has it figured out at a division level to the point its not even part of their tie breaker procedures. Best record. Example: Say New England goes 6-0 in division, but 12-5 overall. If the Bills go 4-2 (lose twice to NE) but finish with a 13-4 record, the Bills are division champion. If they both finish with same overall record then it goes to tie breakers. Overall record isn't even stated as primary, it's just assumed.
NFL tie breaker
 
cuseincincy said:
Funny that the NFL has it figured out at a division level to the point its not even part of their tie breaker procedures. Best record. Example: Say New England goes 6-0 in division, but 12-5 overall. If the Bills go 4-2 (lose twice to NE) but finish with a 13-4 record, the Bills are division champion. If they both finish with same overall record then it goes to tie breakers. Overall record isn't even stated as primary, it's just assumed.
NFL tie breaker
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That is one reason I opine that CFB should follow the professional models, THEY WORK! I know I focused on the TV deals, and cooperation between conferences, but the general rule is a general because it works.
 
One other option.

I think you make CCG by playoff ranking in a 16-team field. And then each team in the top 8 heading into CCG weekend standings is allowed to opt out with a guaranteed spot. So... Indiana, Ohio State, Oregon... Georgia, Ole Miss, A&M, Oklahoma... Texas Tech.

Then you have the "quasi-CCGs" to decide 4 more spots: Michigan v USC... Alabama v Texas... Georgia Tech v Virginia... BYU v Utah.

Then you pick the final 8 spots after the CCG weekend games. The 4 winners get in. That is 12.

Just assume ,. theoretically... USC, Alabama, Virginia, and BYU. That is spots 9-12.

Then ND and a G5 for spots 13 and 14.

Then spots 15 and 16 go to 2 of the CCG losers plus the field... like maybe it would be Vandy and the best loser.
 
HtownOrange said:
That is one reason I opine that CFB should follow the professional models, THEY WORK! I know I focused on the TV deals, and cooperation between conferences, but the general rule is a general because it works.
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But those divisions have a double round robin. The college conferences do not even have a single round robin.

If the conferences were to become conferences of 20, with 2 divisions of 10 with a round-robin. Then each division winner could get in, along with 4, 6, or 8 at-larges. Rotate division members every 2-years to see diffferent teams. Even 16 teams out of 80 = 20%. That is roughly where the Big Dance is and well below NFL.

Not to hard to get to 80 either: All P4= 67. ND= 68. Pac-8 = 76. Tulane, UConn, USF, and Memphis = 80.

The remaining 56 merge with the top 24 of FCS to form an in-between layer of 80. Each of the 80 teams plays 1 game at a top 80 location for revenue generation.

And then one team from the slightly gutted FCS can also play a Week 0 game at a top 80 location that does not count in the standings, but is another revenue getter/sharer.

Then 2 OOC games against an equivalent team from another conference. 13 games, 12 that count.

Then the playoffs.
 
HtownOrange said:
That is one reason I opine that CFB should follow the professional models, THEY WORK! I know I focused on the TV deals, and cooperation between conferences, but the general rule is a general because it works.
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Had this same conversation today about NIL, portal, & conf. expansion.
If cfb adopted a players rep union-like setup to help negotiate contracts, compensation, and relationships between conferences, and bowls, in the mode of the NFL, it'd do wonders to strengthen and grow the sport. Imagine a salary rate for players, as well as contract terms like a 2-year minimum for all NIL deals, or limitations on portal transfers, etc etc
Only the greed of the P2, plus the ego of these institutions trying to perpetuate the facade of "student athletes and academics", is the main thing preventing any of this from happening.
 
DoctorBombay said:
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I remember this as one of the highlights of watching any SU/ND sporting event.

Thomas was hyped as one of the best PGs in college basketball. Billy embarrassed him.

The Daily Orange...

Edelin breaks out in SU win - The Daily Orange

Edelin breaks out in SU win​

‘Games like this, we needed him out there,’ Warrick said. ‘He’s patient. He knows what he can do. Once he got a couple easy baskets, that really gets him going.’

Boeheim praised Edelin’s efforts on Notre Dame point guard Chris Thomas, who had 16 points but shot 7 of 20.

‘Billy was really the difference,’ Boeheim said. ‘He played pretty good defense. Thomas had to take a lot of shots to get his points. Billy’s gone through a lot. He’s had to get his game going under tough conditions.’
 
It’s pretty obvious Notre Dame overrates their place in the world. One of the comments people are making is that Notre Dame brings great ratings. That may have been true at one point - it’s hard to argue it in 2025. In this case, ND drew an average of 3.9MM viewers this year, Miami drew 3.4MM. Anyone they ended up playing would be rated above both of them as well. This had no impact on the decision and isn’t the big benefit ND thinks it is.

They also appear to think they add great value to the ACC which the conference doesn’t value properly. But they added so much value to the Big East the conference doesn’t exist anymore. They add a tiny sliver of viewership value that’s can be replaced. If they’re convinced this whole situation proves they should stay independent, that’s a weird position - they should be figuring out right about now that they don’t add the value to the ACC they think, and that independence may not be an option forever. It’s somewhat impressive how stubbornly resistant Notre Dame is to hearing that message.
 

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