Nova represents everything right about CBB

[Brooky03]

Why didn’t we recruit a PG in the Richardson/Lydon/Howard class?

Why didn’t we recruit a PG in the Battle class?

We lost in Greene in last years class.

We have gone 3 straight classes without a pure PG and people want to blame sanctions?
It’s on the coaching staff and not getting a freaking PG and having s SG play PG.

It explains why we have poor guard play and struggle in the half court.

We recruited PGs and they chose to go elsewhere. I think the staff would agree with you that bringing in a true PG would help, but what was out there? Did the staff need to go after 3 star PGs just to fill the spot? Would a 3 star PG, pure or not, have helped or hurt?

 

[RF2044]

The staff's recruiting of point guards post beginning with the Tyler Ennis year has been a bungled mess. We passed on several players who went on to have highly productive [understatement] careers elsewhere, and in turn have had a situation where we've had 7 different starting point guards in 7 consecutive seasons.

That discontinuity alone paints an unflattering picture of roster management.

 

[dollarbill44]

We recruited PGs and they chose to go elsewhere. I think the staff would agree with you that bringing in a true PG would help, but what was out there? Did the staff need to go after 3 star PGs just to fill the spot? Would a 3 star PG, pure or not, have helped or hurt?

We recruit for the zone first, which means we look for 6'4"+ pgs. There aren't many of those. If/when we miss out on those guys, we are left with the guys we have been getting.

 

[Orange Barrel]

Give me 10 years to investigate Nova or any program and I bet I could find some violations.

Nova and St. Jay were found guilty of recruiting violations from the mid 2000's. The NCAA chose to look the other way with a meaningless finger wag and warning. This was after St. Jay admitted to the violations and admitted he knew they were violations and did it anyway. 50 times! FIFTY! That's why I want to puke every time there's one of these threads lauding that jackazz. If that was JB he'd have been tarred, feathered, drawn, quartered, tagged, bagged and booted. Give me a freaking break with the Nova crap.

 

[br801]

What a concept. You can have a good offensive team and have a system that helps talent thrive.

Nova isn’t likely to win it all but that program should be appreciated by its fans.

They are like JB’s teams in the 80’s.

Except JB's teams of the 80s had elite college talent and players who went on to have long and impactful NBA careers.

 

[two3zone]

Brunson's dad is a Syracuse native.

How Jalen Brunson was molded by his father, Rick

His grandmother lives in town. My barber does Jalens dad's hair.

 

[Brooky03]

We recruit for the zone first, which means we look for 6'4"+ pgs. There aren't many of those. If/when we miss out on those guys, we are left with the guys we have been getting.

JB does like his system. If it's true that Brunson was a surefire commit who JB passed on, then shame on JB. Brunson wouldn't have supplanted Gbinije as the PG but it was clear at that point - or should have been - that Kaleb wasn't going to workout, so Brunson should have been brought in to take the reins as a sophomore. Again, if he was as interested in coming here as it's rumored.

I'm hesitant to go after the staff for not getting a PG after that because I think the effort was there. The staff just swung for the fences a couple times and whiffed. They didn't have 'plan b' guys, but how much of that was due to the severe limits on recruiting because of the sanctions and how much was a conscious decision that would have stood if the sanctions weren't imposed? Maybe Brunson, or guys like him, would be Orange if the staff wasn't forced to play 5 card poker with just 3 cards.

FWIW, the zone is not historically good with short guards. As committed to the zone as JB is, I can understand not going after sub 6ft. tall guards. Continuing with the Brunson thing, I think he's currently listed as a generous 6'1". Coming out of high school, some reputable sites had him at 5'10" and he's not terribly athletic. Should he have received an offer if he was interested? Yes, we weren't in a position to pass on 5 star talent. Did he fit our system? No.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Nova and St. Jay were found guilty of recruiting violations from the mid 2000's. The NCAA chose to look the other way with a meaningless finger wag and warning. This was after St. Jay admitted to the violations and admitted he knew they were violations and did it anyway. 50 times! FIFTY! That's why I want to puke every time there's one of these threads lauding that jackazz. If that was JB he'd have been tarred, feathered, drawn, quartered, tagged, bagged and booted. Give me a freaking break with the Nova crap.

Ummm, I'm not ready to put Nova on the UK bus yet. His recruiting and NBA draft picks is a lot different that what PayCal is doing. Read Jay Wright's book. You can see why he is successful and why every program in America would want him as their next coach.

 

[Alsacs]

Except JB's teams of the 80s had elite college talent and players who went on to have long and impactful NBA careers.

Kyle Lowry has been pretty damn good.
Josh Hart is in the league now.

We had Coleman, Owens, Douglas, Seikaly.

Carmelo now.

 

[Eric15]

Nova and St. Jay were found guilty of recruiting violations from the mid 2000's. The NCAA chose to look the other way with a meaningless finger wag and warning. This was after St. Jay admitted to the violations and admitted he knew they were violations and did it anyway. 50 times! FIFTY! That's why I want to puke every time there's one of these threads lauding that jackazz. If that was JB he'd have been tarred, feathered, drawn, quartered, tagged, bagged and booted. Give me a freaking break with the Nova crap.

So you're saying that we're not allowed to respect a program's success based on transgressions that took place 10-15 years ago? Does that mean people shouldn't respect our 2003 national title based on our violations in 1992?

 

[Alsacs]

JB does like his system. If it's true that Brunson was a surefire commit who JB passed on, then shame on JB. Brunson wouldn't have supplanted Gbinije as the PG but it was clear at that point - or should have been - that Kaleb wasn't going to workout, so Brunson should have been brought in to take the reins as a sophomore. Again, if he was as interested in coming here as it's rumored.

I'm hesitant to go after the staff for not getting a PG after that because I think the effort was there. The staff just swung for the fences a couple times and whiffed. They didn't have 'plan b' guys, but how much of that was due to the severe limits on recruiting because of the sanctions and how much was a conscious decision that would have stood if the sanctions weren't imposed? Maybe Brunson, or guys like him, would be Orange if the staff wasn't forced to play 5 card poker with just 3 cards.

FWIW, the zone is not historically good with short guards. As committed to the zone as JB is, I can understand not going after sub 6ft. tall guards. Continuing with the Brunson thing, I think he's currently listed as a generous 6'1". Coming out of high school, some reputable sites had him at 5'10" and he's not terribly athletic. Should he have received an offer if he was interested? Yes, we weren't in a position to pass on 5 star talent. Did he fit our system? No.

It’s on JB.

He got lazy in recruiting and was putting Hop in an insanely difficult position.

Sanctions aren’t why we don’t go after multiple PGs.
Hell we have an open scholarship for next year and people are saying give it to Buddy.
Go after another Howard Washington type who can develop and be an upperclassmen who can contribute. Washington will be solid in 2 years.

 

[Orange Barrel]

So you're saying that we're not allowed to respect a program's success based on transgressions that took place 10-15 years ago? Does that mean people shouldn't respect our 2003 national title based on our violations in 1992?

You're allowed to do whatever you want. The notion that Nova represents everything right about CBB is nonsense.

In addition, their violations were around the same period as some of ours. Do you think they would be where they are right now if NCAA justice was handed out evenly? Do you think we'd be where we are right now if NCAA justice was handed out evenly?

 

[dasher]

We didn't get Huerter alone with sanctions. Put that guy on the floor and we have 2 losses right now, not 6.

I was about to post the same exact thing. It's not just the number of ships we lost. It's when we lost them. And who we didn't get because of that. And the addition of Huerter would not have cost us Battle.

 

[Frozen]

4-year student athletes, not 1 year rent-a-players.

 

[Brooky03]

It’s on JB.

He got lazy in recruiting and was putting Hop in an insanely difficult position.

Sanctions aren’t why we don’t go after multiple PGs.
Hell we have an open scholarship for next year and people are saying give it to Buddy.
Go after another Howard Washington type who can develop and be an upperclassmen who can contribute. Washington will be solid in 2 years.

We're in a position now that we can take developmental guys. We weren't in that position last year or the 2 years before that.

I don't disagree that we should try to get another scholarship player in place of Buddy if we can get a quality recruit. That said, I'm not one who thinks all available scholarships should be used every year. It's important to leave spaces for the following year, depending on roster composition. Not saying that applies this year but, in general, it's not always the wisest decision to fill up every spot and I think that idea is lost on some.

 

[Eric15]

The notion that Nova represents everything right about CBB is nonsense.

The two biggest complaints about college basketball right now are (1) the quality of play sucks and (2) players leave too early. Nova, more than any other team in college basketball, excels at those two things. That was the point of my post.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Coaches are some blend of system guys or just get the best talent and figure it out from there. JB is very much a system guy. His players need to buy into his system and fit it to be successful. It's worked for the most part, but when they don't fit, he can still get at least a mediocre team out of them. Other schools who might not be very system orientated can be a disaster when the talent doesn't pan out. SU has averted that.

Sanctions hurt, but SU shot itself in the foot many many times over the last five seasons. I maintain that the coach-in-waiting designation was an incredibly dumb idea in retrospect. Roster management and recruiting has been not good.

 

[br801]

Kyle Lowry has been pretty damn good.
Josh Hart is in the league now.

We had Coleman, Owens, Douglas, Seikaly.

Carmelo now.

Not even in the same ballpark. Now if you had made the comparison to JB's early teams in the mid to late 70s, I'd agree.

 

[Brooky03]

Is it inappropriate for me to point out that Villanova plays in a midmajor conference or do we still have to pretend all the midmajors mashed up in that thing are legit now because they're ranked?

 

[cuse10]

This is going to probably be their 5th year in a row winning 30 games, and they're doing it with 4-year student athletes, not 1 year rent-a-players. They have only had three players drafted to the NBA in the past decade, and they're all seniors. Not since Kyle Lowry left after his sophomore year in 2006 have they had someone leave early.

They also score 88 points per game, and shoot 52% from the floor, 76% from the line, 42% from three as a team. It's unreal how well they put the ball in the hoop. The most inefficient scorer of their top 7-8 players is Omari Spellman, and his FG% is .477. They average 18 assists per game compared to our 11.

They're doing it with four year players because kids with talent to go pro don't want to go there. If they could get those one and done's they would gladly accept them.

 

[Townie72]

Everybody now wants to be Villanova.

Perspective | Villanova administers a beating — and a lesson — to Georgetown

 

[CousCuse]

Georgetown has a head coach who has never been a head coach before. And that is showing now, that's all there is to that game.

 

[81South]

Nova and ND are two schools that come to mind that have had a nice run of 4 year players in their programs. This can certainly be a template for success.

And anyone who thinks the current Big East is a ‘mid major’ level is just not being objective. They have a pretty good thing going.

 

[Alsacs]

Everybody now wants to be Villanova.

Perspective | Villanova administers a beating — and a lesson — to Georgetown

If somebody compared Jim Boeheim to Bobby Bowden you would go crazy.

We are just lucky Villanova plays their games on FS1 and people don’t see them.
Jay Wright is going to have more 30 wins seasons than JB after this year.

 

[jncuse]

Haha who knows when that really is but I'd love Jay Wright to be our next coach

Wright coming to Syracuse, is as probable as Boeheim leaving to go to Villanova.