Ogundeko

[oldpinepoint]

I hate this thread now i want to go home...

 

[City of Cuse]

 

[retro44]

Sarah Palin?

I'D still do her...multiple times

 

[OrangeMaNPD]

Why are we still talking about silly twitter crap? It's irrelevant because it's impossible for the NCAA to crack down on this or every single school would be in trouble. Just agree to disagree so we can all stop reading the same thing with different words in it.

Mostly because there is no pay side.

 

[Toga]

So what is everyone's position on tweeting recruits?

 

[NailstheCusefan12]

Zach Braziller ‏@NYPost_Brazille
Jefferson DE Ebenezer Ogundeko press conference is next Tuesday at 4 pm at Aviator Sports Complex. #psalfootball

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You made no point whatsoever that was valid ... period ... you gain nothing of value from twitter ... and if you need twitter to figure out how intense a fanbase is you're either an idiot or know nothing about college football (Its pretty obvious which fanbases are intense and which ones aren't) ... you keep making the same statement with no substance and you made no reasonable point.

And you point to a book that all of 121 people read (and obviously no one here has read) and bothered to comment on to cement a weak argument ... see its instances like this that make me question that slice of paper they give you after you graduate and what its really worth.

But hey get on twitter and tell Ebo to watch Lord of the Rings and his recruitment will then make sense ... maybe he will see Muschamp as an orc ... or Brian Kelly will appear in a dream as Gollum ... honestly watching Lord of the Rings makes one smarter? Who would believe that crap? You would get a hell of a lot smarter reading the book ... at least you could then work on your vocabulary ...

Alright, look man. You really wandered out past where the devil lost his boots on that last paragraph. I have no idea what in the name of Kirby Dar Dar you were talking about there.

That said, I am in a gracious mood, so I'm going to spell out the point that you are so evidently missing. I'm going to be pretty thorough. Spoiler alert - Twitter isn't the point.

Go kicked it off by suggesting (I'm paraphrasing) that a potential student athlete that makes their decision based on Twitter is an idiot. I rebutted (I'm paraphrasing) that a potential student athlete that uses Twitter to make their decision may actually be demonstrating high level analytic ability. Twitter presents the student athlete with a wide array of information inputs. In order to make sense of those inputs, that student athlete must assess the overall quantity and quality of the information provided, and begin developing some type of organizational scheme to make sense of the data. The student athlete is actually engaging in a far superior process to your own; whereas the student athlete may be preparing a thorough evaluation of the data, you are using a quick and dirty rule to assess "all Twitter = crap," which frankly, you couldn't possibly know to be accurate, and given the sweeping nature of the statement, is almost certainly wrong.

I then suggested that a potential student athlete that may exhibit the tools to filter and assess large quantities of data may be a useful asset as a football player, where they would also be constantly filtering and assessing large quantities of data that they observe on the field.

See, what a lot of dinosaurs like to point out is that the world kids live in today is different from the world they grew up in. However, the thing that will eventually lead to the intellectual extinction of those dinosaurs is the failure to really think through what the differences in that world might mean (see what I did there? I thought that was pretty clever. I'm really impressed with myself right now.). It is so much easier for the dinosaur to look at Twitter and say that a person basing a decision on Twitter input is an idiot without thinking that maybe, just maybe there's a chance that what the person is doing with Twitter suggests some things about them that might be very clear indicators that they aren't an idiot. Twitter isn't the point, the point is that today's student athletes are doing something with Twitter that may be affecting the choices they make, and 1) that something matters if it really influences behavior and 2) suggests something important about the student athlete. In fact, the student athlete that has the tools to use all available information inputs and executes an assessment of them is arguably in a better position to make a good decision than one that ignores possibly useful inputs and assesses only some things at their disposal.

That's where the book recommendation comes in. See, that world that is different from The Land of the Lost? The one where kids watch a lot of TV, surf the internet and play a lot of video games? Some people that are smarter than you or I have looked at that world, generated some data about how people operate within that world, and have come to some interesting conclusions about the type of brain power that is required to function within that world and engage in those activities and propose that maybe, just maybe, even though it's a different world from dino-land it might not be lesser, and might even require more cognitive ability. You've already written it off, but you really might find the book interesting.

So you guys can go ahead. Question my academic credentials, for whatever confidence boost that gives you. Completely dismiss things that might really be critical to our program's future student athletes, and things that might provide us with a really interesting type of scouting report into a recruit's mind that the world has never known before. Be my guest, dinosaur.

You dinosaur guys are dying out, and the new dominant species is going to be made up of the guys like me that remember your world and see the world as it is now and can actually understand and operate the mechanisms in both.

 

[albanycuse]

This site needs a seperate forum where posters can go to tell eachother off.

 

[longislandcuse]

This site needs a seperate forum where posters can go to tell eachother off.

Off-Topic Forum

• Support, Suggestions, etc...
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• ##k You

 

[orangefog]

Sarah Palin?

I thought everyone knew who said it. Far more influential than Sarah Palin.

 

[GoSU96]

Alright, look man. You really wandered out past where the devil lost his boots on that last paragraph. I have no idea what in the name of Kirby Dar Dar you were talking about there.

That said, I am in a gracious mood, so I'm going to spell out the point that you are so evidently missing. I'm going to be pretty thorough. Spoiler alert - Twitter isn't the point.

Go kicked it off by suggesting (I'm paraphrasing) that a potential student athlete that makes their decision based on Twitter is an idiot. I rebutted (I'm paraphrasing) that a potential student athlete that uses Twitter to make their decision may actually be demonstrating high level analytic ability. Twitter presents the student athlete with a wide array of information inputs. In order to make sense of those inputs, that student athlete must assess the overall quantity and quality of the information provided, and begin developing some type of organizational scheme to make sense of the data. The student athlete is actually engaging in a far superior process to your own; whereas the student athlete may be preparing a thorough evaluation of the data, you are using a quick and dirty rule to assess "all Twitter = crap," which frankly, you couldn't possibly know to be accurate, and given the sweeping nature of the statement, is almost certainly wrong.

I then suggested that a potential student athlete that may exhibit the tools to filter and assess large quantities of data may be a useful asset as a football player, where they would also be constantly filtering and assessing large quantities of data that they observe on the field.

See, what a lot of dinosaurs like to point out is that the world kids live in today is different from the world they grew up in. However, the thing that will eventually lead to the intellectual extinction of those dinosaurs is the failure to really think through what the differences in that world might mean (see what I did there? I thought that was pretty clever. I'm really impressed with myself right now.). It is so much easier for the dinosaur to look at Twitter and say that a person basing a decision on Twitter input is an idiot without thinking that maybe, just maybe there's a chance that what the person is doing with Twitter suggests some things about them that might be very clear indicators that they aren't an idiot. Twitter isn't the point, the point is that today's student athletes are doing something with Twitter that may be affecting the choices they make, and 1) that something matters if it really influences behavior and 2) suggests something important about the student athlete. In fact, the student athlete that has the tools to use all available information inputs and executes an assessment of them is arguably in a better position to make a good decision than one that ignores possibly useful inputs and assesses only some things at their disposal.

That's where the book recommendation comes in. See, that world that is different from The Land of the Lost? The one where kids watch a lot of TV, surf the internet and play a lot of video games? Some people that are smarter than you or I have looked at that world, generated some data about how people operate within that world, and have come to some interesting conclusions about the type of brain power that is required to function within that world and engage in those activities and propose that maybe, just maybe, even though it's a different world from dino-land it might not be lesser, and might even require more cognitive ability. You've already written it off, but you really might find the book interesting.

So you guys can go ahead. Question my academic credentials, for whatever confidence boost that gives you. Completely dismiss things that might really be critical to our program's future student athletes, and things that might provide us with a really interesting type of scouting report into a recruit's mind that the world has never known before. Be my guest, dinosaur.

You dinosaur guys are dying out, and the new dominant species is going to be made up of the guys like me that remember your world and see the world as it is now and can actually understand and operate the mechanisms in both.

Anybody who makes a decision based on, hey what's up, where you at, come to our school it's great, hey come to our school the shorties are hot, hey come to our school you'll be our favorite player, is an idiot.

 

[longislandcuse]

Anybody who makes a decision based on, hey what's up, where you at, come to our school it's great, hey come to our school the shorties are hot, hey come to our school you'll be our favorite player, is an idiot.

Yea, they are an idiot but you're severely underestimating the role of Twitter with today's athlete, especially recruits.

 

[wfschrec]

Anybody who makes a decision based on, hey what's up, where you at, come to our school it's great, hey come to our school the shorties are hot, hey come to our school you'll be our favorite player, is an idiot.

Agreed ... but don't worry I'm sure an 18 year old will filter all that out ... and I'm sure an 18 year old will sit there and listen to all the adulation and see it for what it truly is ... anyone who believes that is an idiot. I am not a dinosaur by any stretch ... I'm very familiar with social media and have carved a unique niche doing high performance computing for a fortune 100 company. What he fails to realize is that twitter is only a small sample and not even a valid cross section of those who represent the university since most of the kids are only being sought out by either players from the schools recruiting them or fans who wish to put a bug in their ear ... it is a one way flow ...

And I'm glad that Land of the Lost has taught Otto so many valuable lessons ... frankly society as a whole is getting dumber ... based on my professional travels I have seen many more incompetent people even in the technical industry than I ever thought possible and I far from consider myself a savant ... society overall has gotten lazier and 98% of the kids who graduate today couldn't do math without a TI-85 ... we are headed down a slippery slope.

And I didn't realize that everything put on twitter was true and accurate. So much so that an 18 year old can rely on it to help decide their future. The fact is if you need to use that as a tool for reasoning you are already lost. I'm still wondering based on a limited sample what useful data he is filtering ... what in the world is so useful that it will help EO make the right decision? What on twitter gives him that mental edge? "Hey man you're awesome go to Florida!" or "Hey man all the hot girls go to ND" or "SMH FYI BYOB NWA blah blah blah" ...

And for those not in love with the thread don't read along ... its fine ... turn the other cheek ... in the time you spent bemoaning it you could have read half a dozen more. For those who wonder why its an issue ... they need to realize how data is captured and analyzed and stored and maintained ... this data along with facebook and even your own cell phone calls are stored on machines beyond your comprehension for consumption by any entity that has legal access to it.

If the NCAA ever smartened up and learned how to write a perl script all this "non-enforceable" stuff you keep talking about becomes very enforceable, its a matter of not dealing with it at this time. Eventually it will become an issue ... the question is when. I know some fellas who have done storage installs at Langley and they can tell you how much data is stored ... its beyond your comprehension and outside of the scope of Land of the Lost.

 

[wfschrec]

Yea, they are an idiot but you're severely underestimating the role of Twitter with today's athlete, especially recruits.

I don't think he underestimates he is inferring that anyone who uses that as a basis for decision is an idiot ... I think his point was too many are and they are idiots

 

[44PRIDE]

So, does anyone have a non-twitter related update on his visit?

 

[oldpinepoint]

So, does anyone have a non-twitter related update on his visit?

No, but according to my tweet sources his visit is over. I was going to tweet him and ask but then i remembered it was a violation so then i created a ND alias to tweet him, but then I didn’t want the gold domers to strike me down for being a bad Christian so I decided on creating a Gator twitter but then i remembered the whole discussion about tweeting being a violation and decided to not tweet at all. Yes that was the longest run on sentence, but I kept it within the tweet guidelines or so I’ve been tweeted. So let it be tweeted so let it be done.

 

[SUFan44]

I would like everyone to keep in mind that, while choosing a school solely based on Twitter replies/chat is "idiotic", a lot of these kids - especially kids from New York City, whom we recruit - don't have the greatest guidance from parents, high school support staff, etc.

Just because you believe it makes someone an "idiot" for choosing a school based on fan interaction, doesn't mean that it doesn't play a minor role. And I can guarantee you there are kids at Division I universities playing football that will tell you such. Absolutely does not make it right, but it is the way of the world these days and kids are enamored with attention.

 

[JoeCollege]

I lost track. Who here is actually the ultimate authority on Twitter, Recruiting rules and of course, both?

I weep for the days of Stan and his 1000 Incarnations VS. Everyone else.

Where's CurtB with his golf clubs when we really need him?

How about DonnieManhatten and his breathless pimping of Section 3 recruits that can't even make the team at Morrisville?

I hope nobody tweets Ebeneezer that I don't like tweeting, it might cause him to drop SU from his list and make a surprise verbal to Piscataway CC.

 

[OttoMets]

I would like everyone to keep in mind that, while choosing a school solely based on Twitter replies/chat is "idiotic", a lot of these kids - especially kids from New York City, whom we recruit - don't have the greatest guidance from parents, high school support staff, etc.

Just because you believe it makes someone an "idiot" for choosing a school based on fan interaction, doesn't mean that it doesn't play a minor role. And I can guarantee you there are kids at Division I universities playing football that will tell you such. Absolutely does not make it right, but it is the way of the world these days and kids are enamored with attention.

A little odd to single out New York as an area full of deprived kids, no?

I mean, it might not be necessary to make regional generalizations at all, but if we're gonna do so, New York's not exactly the first recruiting region that comes to mind when I think of "place where the kids have no parents, the teachers are bad, and the culture is bankrupt."

 

[Aweart23]

when I think of "place where the kids have no parents, the teachers are bad, and the culture is bankrupt."

Is that a veiled New Jersey reference?????

 

[OttoMets]

Is that a veiled New Jersey reference?????

Haha - everything on the recruiting board comes back to New Jersey.

 

[Rocco]

Anybody who makes a decision based on hey come to our school the shorties are hot is an idiot.

Go, I love your posts, but I have to disagree with you on this one. What 17 year old kid wouldn't be influenced by this:

 

[ImperialOrange]

Wouldn't the prudent thing for us SU fans to do be to create twitter accounts disguised as both ND fans and UF fans and get in pissing matches back in forth on the kids account? We would avoid any recruiting violations for SU, and we could also factually drag both other teams through the mud disguised as an opposing non-SU fan base to make both UF and ND look shady and their fans look like unsufferable jerks.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Anybody who makes a decision based on, hey what's up, where you at, come to our school it's great, hey come to our school the shorties are hot, hey come to our school you'll be our favorite player, is an idiot.

I don't understand why you're trying to make it seem like the only thing his decision is based on is Twitter. Nobody's saying that but you. The guy came on campus. He has people in his life with input. Obviously there are other significant factors. Why is it so awful to think that maybe, just maybe Twitter is part of the decision making mix for some recruits? And why are you so reluctant to admit that maybe, just maybe recruits are smart enough to filter out some of the crap?

Agreed ... but don't worry I'm sure an 18 year old will filter all that out ... and I'm sure an 18 year old will sit there and listen to all the adulation and see it for what it truly is ... anyone who believes that is an idiot. What he fails to realize is that twitter is only a small sample and not even a valid cross section of those who represent the university since most of the kids are only being sought out by either players from the schools recruiting them or fans who wish to put a bug in their ear ... it is a one way flow ...

And I didn't realize that everything put on twitter was true and accurate. So much so that an 18 year old can rely on it to help decide their future. The fact is if you need to use that as a tool for reasoning you are already lost. I'm still wondering based on a limited sample what useful data he is filtering ... what in the world is so useful that it will help EO make the right decision? What on twitter gives him that mental edge? "Hey man you're awesome go to Florida!" or "Hey man all the hot girls go to ND" or "SMH FYI BYOB NWA blah blah blah" ...

What's sad is that I don't think you're even aware, or care even, how condescending your view is. I even left out some of the worst parts.

You don't think the kid figures out that they need to filter? Or that their Twitter account isn't representative of the experience they'll have at a school? NOBODY SAID EVERYTHING ON TWITTER IS TRUE AND ACCURATE, I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT MY GUESS IS THAT KIDS LEARN THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. You are making some assumptions that should really be an embarrassment to you. You and Go are dug pretty deep down in your trenches though, so don't let me stop you from pounding your chest.

It's really funny that I've been called an idiot twice, and my position has been that people that take the time to analyze what's in front of them aren't idiots.

 

[SUFan44]

A little odd to single out New York as an area full of deprived kids, no?

I mean, it might not be necessary to make regional generalizations at all, but if we're gonna do so, New York's not exactly the first recruiting region that comes to mind when I think of "place where the kids have no parents, the teachers are bad, and the culture is bankrupt."

I did not mean to generalize. However, having lived in the city for the past eight years I know for a fact that the public high schools are underfunded, and therefore have little to no effect on kids making choices to go to college.

And again, I do not mean to be stereotypical. I am just trying to say that the guidance that some kids have when making decisions isn't the greatest.