OK, I Quit

[Jack_Ball]

Fran brown also wasn’t going to be the coach either. JW listened thankfully and it’s worked out. I think people are delusional on who they think this program can get. Is it a brand sure. But this thought that they could get someone from a great program is insanity. The opportunity to hire Nate Oats was there and they didn’t do it. And that’s the whiff here. Adrian is not working right now and that’s obvious. But there is a zero percent chance they are getting someone “well known”

Sort of agree. Dont think we can pull Sean Miller as he is making $5 million per year now but maybe Shaka? He is only making $2 million and or Rick P is making $3millon. If we have to shoot lower then Ben Mccollum is making approx $500K and Bryan Hodgson is making $400k so there are options out there

 

[Grbac]

Bryan Hodgson is the guy. He is the Fran Brown of college basketball. He is a great recruiter who really builds relationships with players and their families.
Not a prerequisite but growing up in New York gives him some ties to hit the ground running. He has Arkansas St playing really good basketball.

From his website coachhodgson.com
“Who was your favorite college team growing up: Syracuse”

 

[FireballPhil]

I’ve been in the Red needs 3 years camp, but I just deserted. We’re going no place but downhill fast. The only question in my mind is what can we do to stop the slide before it becomes an avalanche.

I’ve seen a lot of speculation about the Colgate coach, or the Arkansas St cosch, but in my mind that’s the wrong way to go. We need a new coach to do essentially four things: Retain the current talent, particularly Freeman and Moore. Continue our hs recruiting at the current level. Use the portal to bring in proven D1 level talent. And, in order to do the above things, excite and activate the fan base and more particularly the nil donor class.

To do that, I feel we need a coach with a proven track record and a rep. Someone who will excite the big money guys. I hate Pitino and Pearl with a burning passion, but that’s the kind of guy we need. Hire another mid-major guy and I fear we’ll be wandering in the desert like the Israelites for severa more years, and I’m too old for that.

I know the question is how could we afford it. Wish I had an easy answer. Maybe consult with Melo and Lala. Maybe go hat in hand to Weisman. Maybe go to every alum worth million or more and beg. But if we want to be relevant in this decade, we need to do something dramatic.

End of rant.

Question...how does anyone expect Red to make a team better than doesn't have the ability, and he can't just change out players? Maybe less analytics during portal time and actual scouting might help next year. Plus here is a hint...anyone who plays the 3,4,or 5 must be able to play above the rim. A new coach wouldn't make this team any better. It is the team not Red. Blame him for the construction of the team. But once the dice is rolled, there is no going back.

 

[swish7]

Not many young coaches who have proven they can recruit ACC level players. Most successful mid-major teams have mostly mid-major level talent, like Carlos, Taylor and Davis. Red Auerbach and John Wooden couldn’t coach them to an NCAA tournament level. Need someone who’s proven as yes, a coach first, but also a successful high major recruiter.

Gotcha, but I want young, hungry & scandal free & from a current best of breed program.

People please stop looking to the past for solutions to the future coach.

Fran Brown has given us a playbook. Just run with it. Get a recruiter who has discipline and will not sleep or shower until he wins.

Yes

 

[orangefog]

Question...how does anyone expect Red to make a team better than doesn't have the ability, and he can't just change out players? Maybe less analytics during portal time and actual scouting might help next year. Plus here is a hint...anyone who plays the 3,4,or 5 must be able to play above the rim. A new coach wouldn't make this team any better. It is the team not Red. Blame him for the construction of the team. But once the dice is rolled, there is no going back.

Honestly, I don't think this staff could coach a team full of 5 stars. They just don't know how to coach defense or offense.

 

[Newhouser]

I want someone with no tie to JB. I want the hire to be known for having physical teams that play hard. I want some sense of strategy and game mgmt. Can Wildhack deliver? That I'm not so sold on.

 

[FireballPhil]

Honestly, I don't think this staff could coach a team full of 5 stars. They just don't know how to coach defense or offense.

again, how do you really know if you don't have the players? You can coach them to death, but it is up to the players to execute. If the players don't, or simply can't as most agree, how can you say they man can't coach? He did a decent job with slightly better players last year. It would help if we had some semblance of an offense too.

 

[orangefog]

again, how do you really know if you don't have the players? You can coach them to death, but it is up to the players to execute. If the players don't, or simply can't as most agree, how can you say they man can't coach? He did a decent job with slightly better players last year. It would help if we had some semblance of an offense too.

have you watched the games? We have seen two almost completely different rosters that haven't the first clue how to play basketball on either end. It sucks, Red seems to be a great guy. Griff was a great player for us. But, they can't coach at this level.

 

[FireballPhil]

have you watched the games? We have seen two almost completely different rosters that haven't the first clue how to play basketball on either end. It sucks, Red seems to be a great guy. Griff was a great player for us. But, they can't coach at this level.

again... as you said, the players, who analytics said were high IQ players, are not what they were perceived to be. How do you expect a coaching staff to be able to win with the collection of players we have? Do you honestly believe Coach K could come in here and win a championship with this group? Rick Patino? Name your best coach, and ask if he could really succeed with this team. Red deserves a ton of crap for believing to much in the analytics, although he among with a ton of other people, including some on this board, pressured the school to hire someone for that role, just so a team like this wouldn't be put together. It failed miserably. All I am saying is once the team was signed, he has to deal with what hand he dealt himself. This year that hand sucks. There is a lot more that went into this than just coaching.

 

[orangefog]

again... as you said, the players, who analytics said were high IQ players, are not what they were perceived to be. How do you expect a coaching staff to be able to win with the collection of players we have? Do you honestly believe Coach K could come in here and win a championship with this group? Rick Patino? Name your best coach, and ask if he could really succeed with this team. Red deserves a ton of crap for believing to much in the analytics, although he among with a ton of other people, including some on this board, pressured the school to hire someone for that role, just so a team like this wouldn't be put together. It failed miserably. All I am saying is once the team was signed, he has to deal with what hand he dealt himself. This year that hand sucks. There is a lot more that went into this than just coaching.

I see a team that has no idea how to play basketball. They cannot get the shooters open, they don't know how to switch on defense. I see no evidence of affective coaching when I am watching this team. The collection of players is a different issue. Do I think Pitino would make this team better, YES!!!! Without question. Coach K, yes, for sure.

 

[phil77]

Sort of agree. Dont think we can pull Sean Miller as he is making $5 million per year now but maybe Shaka? He is only making $2 million and or Rick P is making $3millon. If we have to shoot lower then Ben Mccollum is making approx $500K and Bryan Hodgson is making $400k so there are options out there

I think we have a better shot at Miller than Shaka. Shaka is coaching at home I imagine he will get matched up to a certain point probably around that 5 mil mark and then we would have to go over that to get him to leave. Unless Shaka wants to leave the Big East for a P4 then he isn't going to happen.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I never thought I'd say this but...yes to Pitino. He flat out knows how to coach and bring in talent.
In that case, lets hope Gmac finds success and is ready when Pitino retires.
I predicted a lil while back Pitino to Cuse after next year, Gmac to St. johns and then Gmac to Cuse when Pitinos done. * probably more like a thought than an actual prediction.

Are you sure? They were 11-26 from the foul line yesterday?

 

[Jack_Ball]

I think we have a better shot at Miller than Shaka. Shaka is coaching at home I imagine he will get matched up to a certain point probably around that 5 mil mark and then we would have to go over that to get him to leave. Unless Shaka wants to leave the Big East for a P4 then he isn't going to happen.

I guess I dont see Cuse payying Sean Miller $7.5M per year to leave Xavier but what do I know? Maybe they will?

 

[phil77]

I guess I dont see Cuse payying Sean Miller $7.5M per year to leave Xavier but what do I know? Maybe they will?

Nah they wont.

If we want a quick fix we should pay that much (not for Miller) for a proven coach. High school recruiting currently isn't the issue. We lack structure in our program and it shows on the court.

 

[nccusefan]

Didn’t know much about Bryan Hodgson but doing a little research and I think he might be the guy. NY guy who was Nate Oates lead recruiter. If getting basketball players to come to Buffalo and Alabama doesn’t convince you of his recruiting ability check out his wife. To use a football term, he out-kicked his coverage.

 

[phil77]

People who like Hodgson outside of high school recruiting what do you like about him? What about his defense, offense, or style of play do you think translates to P4? Being an Northeast guy and good high school recruiting is cool but we have a good high school recruiter as a head coach now.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I never thought I'd say this but...yes to Pitino. He flat out knows how to coach and bring in talent.
In that case, lets hope Gmac finds success and is ready when Pitino retires.
I predicted a lil while back Pitino to Cuse after next year, Gmac to St. johns and then Gmac to Cuse when Pitinos done. * probably more like a thought than an actual prediction.

Pitino has absolutely zero chance of coaching at SU. The baggage he has makes it an absolute non-starter for the non sports admin. I think Red needs to be replaced but Pitino is never happening.

 

[Idiocuse22&]

Pitino has absolutely zero chance of coaching at SU. The baggage he has makes it an absolute non-starter for the non sports admin. I think Red needs to be replaced but Pitino is never happening.

Yea, unfortunately. Thats why i changed prediction to just a thought.

IMO, noone should GAF about baggage except for the obvious things. Strippers etc...who cares?

 

[sufan59]

People who like Hodgson outside of high school recruiting what do you like about him? What about his defense, offense, or style of play do you think translates to P4? Being a Northeast guy and good high school recruiting is cool but we have a good high school recruiter as a head coach now.

I just get extremely good vibes from this guy as well upon doing some research. Being a disciple of Nate Oats is a huge deal! This guy seems destined for success. I think he will embody our history and tradition as a fan of the team, but bringing the modern basketball concepts that is needed to ensure long term consistent success we are accustomed to moving forward.

 

[FireballPhil]

I see a team that has no idea how to play basketball. They cannot get the shooters open, they don't know how to switch on defense. I see no evidence of affective coaching when I am watching this team. The collection of players is a different issue. Do I think Pitino would make this team better, YES!!!! Without question. Coach K, yes, for sure.

They cannot get the shooters open

Bell gets open when he moves. His problem is he misses his first and disappears. No other player besides Moore have shown the ability to even shoot a 3. There are plenty that have had wide open 3's but just plain missed. And you know why they are open? Because everyone knows they can't shoot! No coach can force a player, who may make the shots in practice, make them in a game.

they don't know how to switch on defense

This was true early in the year but they have done a much better job-provided again they stay active. Switching isn't the defensive problem anyhow, it is the lack of ability to play above the rim that is killing us. We can not rebound, and opponents just shoot over us.

Do I think Pitino would make this team better, YES!!!! Without question. Coach K, yes, for sure

No coach can make the players suddenly have a 40 inch vertical. Even a 30 would be a huge help. Sure a different coach may come up with a different scheme to try and hide this better, but there is no one that can make it go away. We would just end up frustrated because doubling down low opens up their shooters for easy looks. Is a loss easier for you because their 3's are dropping? Did you suddenly forget about how the zone became ineffective because we didn't push it far enough out? Pick your coach, pick your poison on how this team is going to lose.

In the end, if it makes you feel better to lay this all at the feet of Red, so be it. The man is in year 2 of his first ever head coaching job and has for sure made mistakes. No one is saying he has been the perfect coach, because that is far from the truth. What is the truth is putting the 4 best coaches to ever coach the game together to coach this team could not make them win. The talent is simply not there. But again, if blaming Red for the whole thing makes you feel better, have at it!

 

[orangefog]

Bell gets open when he moves. His problem is he misses his first and disappears. No other player besides Moore have shown the ability to even shoot a 3. There are plenty that have had wide open 3's but just plain missed. And you know why they are open? Because everyone knows they can't shoot! No coach can force a player, who may make the shots in practice, make them in a game.


This was true early in the year but they have done a much better job-provided again they stay active. Switching isn't the defensive problem anyhow, it is the lack of ability to play above the rim that is killing us. We can not rebound, and opponents just shoot over us.

No coach can make the players suddenly have a 40 inch vertical. Even a 30 would be a huge help. Sure a different coach may come up with a different scheme to try and hide this better, but there is no one that can make it go away. We would just end up frustrated because doubling down low opens up their shooters for easy looks. Is a loss easier for you because their 3's are dropping? Did you suddenly forget about how the zone became ineffective because we didn't push it far enough out? Pick your coach, pick your poison on how this team is going to lose.

In the end, if it makes you feel better to lay this all at the feet of Red, so be it. The man is in year 2 of his first ever head coaching job and has for sure made mistakes. No one is saying he has been the perfect coach, because that is far from the truth. What is the truth is putting the 4 best coaches to ever coach the game together to coach this team could not make them win. The talent is simply not there. But again, if blaming Red for the whole thing makes you feel better, have at it!

So, your opinion it is 100% the players and the coaches are good?

 

[Jasoncuse]

again... as you said, the players, who analytics said were high IQ players, are not what they were perceived to be. How do you expect a coaching staff to be able to win with the collection of players we have? Do you honestly believe Coach K could come in here and win a championship with this group? Rick Patino? Name your best coach, and ask if he could really succeed with this team. Red deserves a ton of crap for believing to much in the analytics, although he among with a ton of other people, including some on this board, pressured the school to hire someone for that role, just so a team like this wouldn't be put together. It failed miserably. All I am saying is once the team was signed, he has to deal with what hand he dealt himself. This year that hand sucks. There is a lot more that went into this than just coaching.

Red brought this collection of misfits in, he is 100% to blame.

Yes, the talent is poor but he’s also doing nothing to elevate them and it’s getting worse. There’s no movement, no plan and no ability to create open looks offensively. In 2 years, the defense is just non existent.

We have 2 talented freshmen playing roughly half the game and sitting for long stretches while guys that have limited talented and no future in the program are getting 35+ a night.

What analytics issue are you talking about? The former intern hired less than 2 months ago?

 

[baggerbob]

Bell gets open when he moves. His problem is he misses his first and disappears. No other player besides Moore have shown the ability to even shoot a 3. There are plenty that have had wide open 3's but just plain missed. And you know why they are open? Because everyone knows they can't shoot! No coach can force a player, who may make the shots in practice, make them in a game.


This was true early in the year but they have done a much better job-provided again they stay active. Switching isn't the defensive problem anyhow, it is the lack of ability to play above the rim that is killing us. We can not rebound, and opponents just shoot over us.

No coach can make the players suddenly have a 40 inch vertical. Even a 30 would be a huge help. Sure a different coach may come up with a different scheme to try and hide this better, but there is no one that can make it go away. We would just end up frustrated because doubling down low opens up their shooters for easy looks. Is a loss easier for you because their 3's are dropping? Did you suddenly forget about how the zone became ineffective because we didn't push it far enough out? Pick your coach, pick your poison on how this team is going to lose.

In the end, if it makes you feel better to lay this all at the feet of Red, so be it. The man is in year 2 of his first ever head coaching job and has for sure made mistakes. No one is saying he has been the perfect coach, because that is far from the truth. What is the truth is putting the 4 best coaches to ever coach the game together to coach this team could not make them win. The talent is simply not there. But again, if blaming Red for the whole thing makes you feel better, have at it!

Everything may be true that you stated, but the problem still is Red's.
All this years player's are his, and if he can't get them to play well enough to win.
As the saying goes the buck stops with him.

 

[oldpinepoint]

I wonder if we have the money to pay a top coach. Aren’t we taking the bus to away games

 

[HyattsCuse]

People who like Hodgson outside of high school recruiting what do you like about him? What about his defense, offense, or style of play do you think translates to P4? Being a Northeast guy and good high school recruiting is cool but we have a good high school recruiter as a head coach now.

I am in the Hodgson fan club. What do I like?

1. His story. He was born to a teenage mother. Was in the foster system for a little while until adopted. Went to Fredonia and worked his butt off to get where he is. My take home. He’s faced some adversity in life and has a strong work ethic. Head coach at 37 is impressive.

2. His team plays hard. 10-3 after today. Win over Memphis this year. They were down by 25 at half time versus UAB a few days ago and his team came back and won. Can’t comment on specifics offense/defense, but it looks like his team is well coached in both ends from what I’ve watched, especially offense. I recognized some dribble drive, 1-4 sets. High screen and rolls. Attacked the zone well versus Memphis.

3. Got studs for Oats at Alabama. Getting some decent 4* recruits by some services to go to Arkansas State. Also appears to be using the portal well as a bunch of guys are transfers.

4. Seems like a realistic get who would attack the opportunity like Fran has on the football side. His favorite school was Syracuse growing up so I’m sure he knows the history.

Overall, just getting the same vibe that Fran gave off when I read more about him.