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Incredible recap. Has diet gained any weight? He looked so small last year. My #1 concern this year is LB followed by OL.
I'd like to see Lynch-Diet-Spruill start but I do not want to sell Vaughn/Davis out either. They will probably all play in packages. OL wise, Trudo will start and once Pugh is back, do you think Hickey starts over Alexander?

Also, A DL rotation of: Robinson/MPB-Bromley/Walls-Crume/Jones-Goggins/Sharpe.
That is some excellent size and talent. I know I should be over this, but having Chan on this D-line would make it best in Big East. Sour Grapes.
 
Can we get somebody to report who was actually there? I need details. ;)
 
Wow, Tom, that was great. From watching him on TV in high school, I agree that Broyld may be in class of his own; I sure hope it turns out that way. I thought Lemon was playing great last year also; I was very frustrated that they didn't throw it to him more. As my wife said when she went to a game with me, "Why do they keep running the ball when the other team knows that is what they are going to do and they get tackled right away?"
 
Incredible recap. Has diet gained any weight? He looked so small last year. My #1 concern this year is LB followed by OL..


FOLLOWED by OL?

Considering our roster, I don't know how OL wouldn't be at the top of everybody's problematic list of concerns.
 
Thank you for another great report Tom. I truly appreciate all of the time and effort you put into these reports and the site.
 
This morning was cold and rainy, so the practice was moved to the Dome. The weather unfortunately turned warm and sunny, so it was hot and humid in the Dome. Lots of sweating went on, and I am not talking about the players on the field.

I think there were 3 or 4 hundred in attendance. Among those, Tyrone Wheatley's family...he has a son at FM that might become a D1 prospect. He certainly looks the part. Little brother does too. They are going to be taller than Dad.

First, some general impressions: it is always hard to make sound judgements watching practice. It the offense that good or the defense that bad? Or vice versa? Anyway, one thing I can say for sure is that there are clearly a lot more scholarship players on the team right now than there have been in a number of years. We have complete second team units and close to complete third team units for the first time in recent memory.

I was struck by the size of this team. We suddenly have a bevy of tall athletic looking receivers . Great to see players like Fundaburk, Cornelius and Lewis joining players like Lemon and Flemming. What a startling contrast from what we had 3 or 4 years ago.

Same thing on the defensive line. Lots of new blood that have D1 BCS size and builds. Not saying these guys are going to be great, but man, it is nice to at least have a bunch of players that look like they belong.

General comments in no specific order:

There was an extended punting drill that basically pitted Jon Fisher against walk on Riley Dixon head to head. On this day, Dixon was clearly better. He hit a number of really high, long punts that were close to ideal. Appears to be getting the ball away quicker as well, which has been a big concern for me. Fisher had a few nice punts but did not have a good day and mishit the vast majority of his punts.

Careful readers might remember Dixon was planning on leaving the team but was convinced to stay. I think maybe the specter of starting might have kept him with the program. It was only one day of practice but I think at the least it is safe to say there is a dunnybrook of a battle going on for the starting punting job and Dixon has a real chance of winning it.

Didn't see any placekicking drills so I can't comment on that. They worked on kick off coverage but it was in slow motion, they were working in a number of people here and there isn't much I can say except that it appears Norton is going to kick off. If he doesn't. it will be Dixon.

Hero of the first tackling drills was DE Marcus Pierce-Brewster, who got by Sean Hickey to blow up 3 plays in a row. He is only 230 pounds but is cat quick and hard to block. He looks impressive early.

Some formations were worked on that I cannot mention but they were interesting and might make watching the first couple of games must see TV.

Nassib had an exceptional practice. Not a lot of heavy pressure on him, but he was on, got rid of the ball quickly, was consistently accurate and made a lot of good decisions. His personal highlight was a long sideline pass thrown beautifully to Alec Lemon for a 60 yard or so TD (Brandon Reddish was victimized).

Charlie Loeb played with the 2nd team most of the time. Thought he played quite well. Throws that beautiful long ball, doesn't do well in the face of a strong rush. If RN went down tomorrow,. he would be the man. First time I have seen Hunt play in person. Thought he looked okay, has has a strong arm and has filled out a lot since last season. No signs of a future star yet...he looks promising but a work in progress. Kinder remains pretty skinny. Threw the ball quite well. Doesn't have the strongest arm but he is functional.

At RB, Smith got all the reps with the North unit, looked good, ran downhill, showed a nice blend of speed and strength. Gulley showed an ability to burst to daylight and continues to cut really well. Moore had a great run where he and Shamarko had a direct collision that Moore won. He is running harder and faster with the spare tire gone. Best run of the day was by George Morris, who got to the corner and outran the secondary for around a 50 yard gain. He can fly...has big play potential. Strong too, runs in an upright style with a lot of confidence. Even with some fine talent at RB, it is going to be hard to redshirt Morris this season.

I will talk about Broyld separately because he is not like anyone else on the team. Works with the RBs but I think he is mostly going to catch passes this season. Might run a bit if we go with a Wildcat look. He beats at least one person every time he touches the ball, really impressive ability to cut and get yardage after the catch. I think he is going to be an important part of this offense that so badly needs a playmaker like Ashton.

At FB, Gary and Davis are similar players. Strong, tough, good blockers who are not going to run for a lot of yards. The FBs did not get the same # of reps they did in recent years today...a different talent blend might mean less PT for FBs in general this year. I hope so.

At WR, Alec Lemon was probably the best player on the field. Playing with great confidence, he scored on the 60 yard bomb, made a nice catch on a hospital ball over the middle and a couple of more routine throws over the middle. Not much doubt in my mind he will play on Sundays. Sales has happily found the weightroom, is listed at 195 pounds and looks more like a D1 player than he has during his career. He had a solid practice, mostly catching screen type passes near the LOS. Will never have the speed of a Kobena or a Lemon but he does a great job finding openings and getting what he can from the defense. Kobena is clearly option 3 at WR. He was banged up all spring, is really running well right now. Didn't get many touches in scrimmage drills but caught it well in receiving drills and looks a lot more mature now. He is still only 182 and struggles to get free against tight man coverage but he is pound for pound one of the strongest skill players on the team. Should have a good year. Flemming and West are battling for the 4th spot in the WR rotation. Both looked good. I think both will play a lot.

Fundaburk is really impressive in drills. Has size, strength and speed, and a lot of confidence too. If he was allowed to play this year, it would be huge for this unit. Lewis is skinny than I was hoping for, don't think he plays this year until there is a rash of injuries at WR.

At TE, Wales is easily our best blocking TE and is a decent, not really athletic pass catcher. A little slower and less smooth version of Nick Provo. Stevens is running as well as he ever has, shows fine hands and is I think well positioned to have a stellar season. One of the big stories of the day was the fine play of Sugar Bear Thompson, the big TE from Michigan who appears ready to play immediately. Big, fast, athletic, nice hands, smooth, there is a lot to like about Sugar Bear. I think he is a near lock to play regularly this season. Paris is an impressive specimen as well, looks like he is going to be a heck of a blocker, and has decent hands too. First time in a long time I feel really good about the TE position. Great to see.

The North OL unit was as listed on the depth chart:

LT Hickey LG Chibane C MacPherson RG Foy RT Alexander

As of today, no one is working with the North unit other than these guys. Hickey looks fine run blocking. Pass blocking, not so much. Thought the rest of the line did okay pass blocking, decent run blocking. Alexander has lost a lot of weight and is moving noticeably better than he did last spring.

Emerich is the 2nd team center right now. Trudo is the 2nd team RG, looks in great shape in contrast to the big bellied Foy. I think he will pass Foy at some point this preseason.

Defense

The defense has dominated the offense most of the DM era. but I think the North offense did well today. Ran it okay, Nassib really threw the ball well and the mostly South defense struggled to cover the North WRs. Let's go over the units one by one...

DL

North: DE Robinson DT Goggins NT Crume DE Sharpe

Goggins and Crume both looked really mobile and caused major problems with penetration. Really like both of these guys. I think Robinson is more one of those contain rather than sack type DEs who is best against the run. Sharpe put some pressure on the QB and he had a couple of hurries.

South: DE Welch DT NT Jones DE Pierce-Brewster

Marcus Coleman and Deval Walls sat out practice and just walked around the field most of practice. Jay Bromley did not play. I do not know why. Think Goggins is a DE but because they were short 3 DTs, he was moved inside today. Welch had a sack, did well. Pierce-Brewster is probably our fastest DL. Simmons did get PT in the scrimmage drills, do not think he is in the two deep as of today.

LBs:

North unit:

SAM: Lynch MIKE: Diet Tab WILL: Vaughn

This unit featured a bunch of mixing and matching, as near starters Davis and Spruill played some with the North unit as well. Coker played MIKE for the South unit exclusively, as did Diet Tab for the North unit. Vaughn made a couple of nice plays, Lynch looks like our best blitzer at LB, Coker made some nice hits, and Davis had a couple of good plays. Spruill was quiet, didn't do much. Virgille worked with the 2nd unit at OLB some, looked athletic but didn't do a great deal. Washington didn't get reps but in drills was working at the MIKE position. Vaughn worked at the MIKE in a few drills as well. Thought Diet Tab looked really good. He appears well positioned to keep the starting position at the MIKE right now. Running really well, as is Lynch.

DBs:

North unit: CB: Reddish FS: Wilkes SS: Thomas CB: Lyn

Wilkes and Thomas played with the North unit exclusively at their positions. Thomas is back to his atomic type form before he got hurt last year. Great speed and passion, he was in on a ton of tackles. I love to watch him play. He is a madman with great talent. Wilkes is doing nothing spectacularly but was solid, really runs well. Reddish is another kid who runs like the wind, they have him on an island a lot and while Lemon burned him once, he had a fine practice. Lyn looked good, left the field for a while and didn't play much once he returned. Not sure what happened with him but I don't think it was serious. Anderson didn't play at all today. No idea why. Right now with these absences, Whigham worked with the 2nd team. Good size and athletic ability. Impressive player I like a lot. The backup safeties at Desir at SS and Eskridge at FS. Both run well, played pretty well, were kind of quiet, looked good but unlikely to challenge for starting positions just yet. The other true frosh did not get reps in the scrimmage drills, can't say much about them.

Fun day. SU had some free food and vitamin water available and had some food stands open too. The new scoreboards were off but looked really nice. I can't wait to see them in action.

Can't wait to see this team as well. I think the athletic ability of the team has improved. I have cautious optimism this team can surprise and have a good season. Really hope the guys that did not play are okay and that we can avoid serious injuries the rest of the preseason.
 
Tomcat and GO not only provide great reports, they have context and depth based on how observant they are AND their incredible recall for past seasons and former players. Looking forward to LeMoyneCuse's report as well.

Thanks fellas.
 
Wow, Tom, that was great. From watching him on TV in high school, I agree that Broyld may be in class of his own; I sure hope it turns out that way. I thought Lemon was playing great last year also; I was very frustrated that they didn't throw it to him more. As my wife said when she went to a game with me, "Why do they keep running the ball when the other team knows that is what they are going to do and they get tackled right away?"

There were times last year when I said, "Just keep throwing it to Lemon. Why stop?"
 
Beauty with Tom's recaps is that even if you were there, he still is way more observant (than me at least) so you learn all the stuff you missed.

Great as always Tom, thanks - already looking forward to the recap after the first game.

He is an idiot savant on Football Scouting/Recaps. You can be sitting next to him talking to him while he is hurling insults at the opposing coaches...you'll miss half the action but he sees all. Amazing memory recall. He is our gift to the board.
 
There were times last year when I said, "Just keep throwing it to Lemon. Why stop?"
Lemon was badly beat up and playing hurt last season...he is a warrior.
 
One of the great pleasures of the "SU season, (FB_BB) is Tom's detailed recaps.

It's interesting that Sales "will never have the speed of Lemon". My perception was that Sales was our deep threat and Lemon our "possession" guy.
 
He is an idiot savant on Football Scouting/Recaps. You can be sitting next to him talking to him while he is hurling insults at the opposing coaches...you'll miss half the action but he sees all. Amazing memory recall. He is our gift to the board.
Agreed on being a gift to the board.

My issue with recollection of the details is the beer - guessing the ginger ale keeps him sharp.

One of these games I'll have to leave our tailgate and head down to Fine Mess.
 
He is an idiot savant on Football Scouting/Recaps. You can be sitting next to him talking to him while he is hurling insults at the opposing coaches...you'll miss half the action but he sees all. Amazing memory recall. He is our gift to the board.
Some off my best BET games were hanging with T Cat, picking up knowledge.
 
Tomcat, any concerns? Hikey's pass blocking, etc
Well, let me start by stating that this was the first day of practice with pads. It is really early in the preseason, and you can't make definitive statements just watching one practice regardless.

Yes, Hickey struggled some, but he has barely played since he was in high school a couple of years ago. It shouldn't be a surprise he is rusty. Still, he has NFL size and NFL measureables (strength and speed). He has everything needed to be a major success except experience.

I think the dropoff from Nassib to the other QBs is a big one. Loeb has been, IMHO, a slow study, but it looks like he is making progress and has distanced himself from Kinder and Hunt. Hunt has a certain cockiness I like, but I don't think he will be ready this year. Hope we don't have to find that out.

I can't remember the last time we had so little experience coming back at RB. But I like the talent of the players we have, and I think it is highly likely we will be better there in 2012 than we were in 2011.

The biggest difference between this team and DM's other teams is depth. We have two talented and experienced CBs in Lyn and Anderson, and Reddish looks ready to play as well. Morgan does not appear to be far behind him, and I was also very impressed with Whigham. George looks promising as well. We were using walk ons on the two deep a year ago. Big difference.

Same thing at linebacker, where we have talked at length on this board about having 5 or even 6 talented players who appear ready to contribute and do well. We had walk ons in the two deep here as recently as last season.

The DL has had huge issues with depth for the last 10 years or more. I agree with Go that there are no major stars on this unit (though I think Goggins might make all conference), but if Goggins, Bromley, Crume and Pierce-Brewster end up starting, man, that is our most athletic defensive line since the mid 1990s. They all run really well and I think there is reason to believe this unit, aided by Sharpe and Simmons, can put some pressure on the QB in passing situations. There are a bunch of other at least serviceable options at DE with players like Robinson and Welsh and at DT with Jones and Sloan, et al.

We are even showing signs of depth on the OL, where when Pugh gets back, we will have at least 3 OTs who are solid. Phillips is also still around, has played some and knows the assignments as well as anyone. Between Chibane, Foy, Trudo and Robinson, we should be able to come up with 2 serviceable guards, and Macky and Jason looked good at center yesterday.

My biggest concern is our size on defense. Assuming Wilkes and Diabate start at FS and MIKE respectively, assuming Crume starts at NT, we are still undersized up the middle. Crume is at best 6 foot tall. Diabate is under 6 feet. Wilkes is around 5'9. Shamarko is 5'10. We are surely going to start Sharpe or Pierce-Brewster at one of the DE positions. MPB is only 230 pounds or so. Sharpe is a little heavier but will give away 50 pounds or more every week he plays. Bromley is bigger and stronger than he was, and I think it will help moving Goggins to DE, but the other LBs, regardless of whether they are Vaughn, Davis, Spruill or Lynch, are also going to be undersized. I don't think UConn or UL will have the same big, experienced power OL they have had, and WVU is gone now, so our weakness should be less exposed, but these guys have to prove they can stop the run without played 9 in the box and as mentioned before, they have to show they can pressure the QB without blitzing.

The other big concern I have is with our offense. I think we are slowly getting better in terms of talent and I think we will be better this season, but the scheme needs to be better too. We can't try all season to hold the ball all game long with a power running attack, especially when the other team knows exactly what is coming. The staff should know change is needed, they have experience at QB and WR, there is no reason why things can't be opened up. Call me a doubting Thomas but I am going to have to see it to believe it.

I want to believe. I really do.
 
Well, let me start by stating that this was the first day of practice with pads. It is really early in the preseason, and you can't make definitive statements just watching one practice regardless.

Yes, Hickey struggled some, but he has barely played since he was in high school a couple of years ago. It shouldn't be a surprise he is rusty. Still, he has NFL size and NFL measureables (strength and speed). He has everything needed to be a major success except experience.

I think the dropoff from Nassib to the other QBs is a big one. Loeb has been, IMHO, a slow study, but it looks like he is making progress and has distanced himself from Kinder and Hunt. Hunt has a certain cockiness I like, but I don't think he will be ready this year. Hope we don't have to find that out.

I can't remember the last time we had so little experience coming back at RB. But I like the talent of the players we have, and I think it is highly likely we will be better there in 2012 than we were in 2011.

The biggest difference between this team and DM's other teams is depth. We have two talented and experienced CBs in Lyn and Anderson, and Reddish looks ready to play as well. Morgan does not appear to be far behind him, and I was also very impressed with Whigham. George looks promising as well. We were using walk ons on the two deep a year ago. Big difference.

Same thing at linebacker, where we have talked at length on this board about having 5 or even 6 talented players who appear ready to contribute and do well. We had walk ons in the two deep here as recently as last season.

The DL has had huge issues with depth for the last 10 years or more. I agree with Go that there are no major stars on this unit (though I think Goggins might make all conference), but if Goggins, Bromley, Crume and Pierce-Brewster end up starting, man, that is our most athletic defensive line since the mid 1990s. They all run really well and I think there is reason to believe this unit, aided by Sharpe and Simmons, can put some pressure on the QB in passing situations. There are a bunch of other at least serviceable options at DE with players like Robinson and Welsh and at DT with Jones and Sloan, et al.

We are even showing signs of depth on the OL, where when Pugh gets back, we will have at least 3 OTs who are solid. Phillips is also still around, has played some and knows the assignments as well as anyone. Between Chibane, Foy, Trudo and Robinson, we should be able to come up with 2 serviceable guards, and Macky and Jason looked good at center yesterday.

My biggest concern is our size on defense. Assuming Wilkes and Diabate start at FS and MIKE respectively, assuming Crume starts at NT, we are still undersized up the middle. Crume is at best 6 foot tall. Diabate is under 6 feet. Wilkes is around 5'9. Shamarko is 5'10. We are surely going to start Sharpe or Pierce-Brewster at one of the DE positions. MPB is only 230 pounds or so. Sharpe is a little heavier but will give away 50 pounds or more every week he plays. Bromley is bigger and stronger than he was, and I think it will help moving Goggins to DE, but the other LBs, regardless of whether they are Vaughn, Davis, Spruill or Lynch, are also going to be undersized. I don't think UConn or UL will have the same big, experienced power OL they have had, and WVU is gone now, so our weakness should be less exposed, but these guys have to prove they can stop the run without played 9 in the box and as mentioned before, they have to show they can pressure the QB without blitzing.

The other big concern I have is with our offense. I think we are slowly getting better in terms of talent and I think we will be better this season, but the scheme needs to be better too. We can't try all season to hold the ball all game long with a power running attack, especially when the other team knows exactly what is coming. The staff should know change is needed, they have experience at QB and WR, there is no reason why things can't be opened up. Call me a doubting Thomas but I am going to have to see it to believe it.

I want to believe. I really do.
As always spot on Tom. I also want to believe but my biggest concern is the play calling. Im not convinced that Hack is the guy. Im sure that he is a good coach but that doesnt make him a good let alone great OC. Doug is very conservative by nature and very controlling. Will his demeanor allow Hack to take risk? I doubt it. Doug is in my opinion a true CEO type of head coach. In order for this to work well he needs a solid OC one that has experiance. I hope that this is the year that Hack comes of age and that we see the play calling football genius that many point to for up to now what i have witnessed is a young guy who is learning the ropes and is in no way ready to run a div 1 O. I hope im wrong.
 
As always spot on Tom. I also want to believe but my biggest concern is the play calling. Im not convinced that Hack is the guy. Im sure that he is a good coach but that doesnt make him a good let alone great OC. Doug is very conservative by nature and very controlling. Will his demeanor allow Hack to take risk? I doubt it. Doug is in my opinion a true CEO type of head coach. In order for this to work well he needs a solid OC one that has experiance. I hope that this is the year that Hack comes of age and that we see the play calling football genius that many point to for up to now what i have witnessed is a young guy who is learning the ropes and is in no way ready to run a div 1 O. I hope im wrong.


Marrone needs an offensive version of Shafer.
 
Marrone needs an offensive version of Shafer.
And then Marrone, the offensive guru from N.O., would just coach specials and TEs and leave the offense to a new coordinator?
It isn't going to happen and it shouldn't. Hackett is proving his worth on the recruiting trails (he was cited positively by both QB recruits and Tyler Provo), and will prove his worth as an OC. Just his third year in the program and only his second as OC. He didn't have a lot to work with last season -- should be different this time around.
 
And then Marrone, the offensive guru from N.O., would just coach specials and TEs and leave the offense to a new coordinator?
It isn't going to happen and it shouldn't. Hackett is proving his worth on the recruiting trails (he was cited positively by both QB recruits and Tyler Provo), and will prove his worth as an OC. Just his third year in the program and only his second as OC. He didn't have a lot to work with last season -- should be different this time around.

I don't expect it to happen but I'd prefer an OC who isn't doing on the job training. The offensive concept- "Let's run the football!" with a scatback ball carrier who needed to be in space to really be effective and a good quarterback with a record setting wideout and tight end wasn't the product of a lot of grey cells.
 
This is Syracuse University. Rated by the NFL Network as one of the top 10 college football programs of all time. Im glad that a young guy like Hack is on the staff i just wish that he were coaching the TE's and Special teams and either Doug or a proven OC was calling the shots
 
Tom - thanks for your tireless efforts. Once again, GA on me next time our paths cross.
 
Marrone needs an offensive version of Shafer.

You do realize they had more pass attempts than rushing last year, right?

You do realize they had more passing attempts than rushes in the first half last year, right?

I suppose you think they were one sided in trying to establish the run in the first quarter, except for the fact that they had more passing attempts than rushes in the first quarter last year.

There were 30 more carries on first down than passes last year. The ratio was a lopsided 195 rushes to 165 passes. Oops.

So much for being focused on establishing the run.
 
Good info. A tad harsh. But good info.

You do realize they had more pass attempts than rushing last year, right?

You do realize they had more passing attempts than rushes in the first half last year, right?

I suppose you think they were one sided in trying to establish the run in the first quarter, except for the fact that they had more passing attempts than rushes in the first quarter last year.

There were 30 more carries on first down than passes last year. The ratio was a lopsided 195 rushes to 165 passes. Oops.

So much for being focused on establishing the run.
 
You do realize they had more pass attempts than rushing last year, right?

You do realize they had more passing attempts than rushes in the first half last year, right?

I suppose you think they were one sided in trying to establish the run in the first quarter, except for the fact that they had more passing attempts than rushes in the first quarter last year.

There were 30 more carries on first down than passes last year. The ratio was a lopsided 195 rushes to 165 passes. Oops.

So much for being focused on establishing the run.


Hackett quote: "We're going to play Doug Marrone football We're going to run the ball!" We rushed for 120 yards per game, 95th in the country. Most of those 1st down carries went nowhere. It was a team with the personnel to set up the run with the pass but we tried to set up the pass with the run. It didn't work.
 
Hackett quote: "We're going to play Doug Marrone football We're going to run the ball!" We rushed for 120 yards per game, 95th in the country. Most of those 1st down carries went nowhere. It was a team with the personnel to set up the run with the pass but we tried to set up the pass with the run. It didn't work.


They averaged 4.3 yds per carry on first down. And as I pointed out the run/pass ratio was 55/45, hardly the profile of a team that is one sided and stubborn in play selection.

And considering they started the year 5-1 whatever they were trying to do early couldn't have been that awful.
 

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