Orange Fizz on Brissett, Guerrier and Battle

[jmcclure33]

I agree with you, he’s a great kid, doesn’t mean he should be playing 36minutes in a game ...
...but perception is reality and the locker room did not agree with JB, specifically after 2 or 3 games including the final loss re Buddy playing time.’, especially the last game loss, guys were pissed off re Buddy minutes, not at Buddy, at the HC, I do think Buddy played well in many games, we needed him, he’s a terrific shooter, , in spots , in spurts...but in any other program with a different HC he’s not playing more minutes than Oshae, Elijah, or Carey, could even say Braswell.

He played more minutes than Oshae Brissett - 1st/2nd round pick this year, don’t care different position, put the talent on the floor , Hughes could have moved to the 2 spot, Carey is superior on defense and Bras could have played, heck he played BB played more than Marek, , the last few losses was some of the worst coaching ...he couldn’t get a shot off and when he did it he missed, 39 minutes in the last loss ..we could have pressed and defended, how many times did guys go right around Buddy into the zone -

And next season ... we will see

So you’re saying kids were pissed at JB for Buddy playing as much as he did in the tournament, and not at Frank for getting suspended and forcing his hand in the first place? Seems legit...

 

[RF2044]

So you’re saying kids were pissed at JB for Buddy playing as much as he did in the tournament, and not at Frank for getting suspended and forcing his hand in the first place? Seems legit...

No kidding -- we were shorthanded.

Carey didn't do much when he played that game -- if he had, he would have played more. Could have used him.

 

[sutomcat]

I agree with you, he’s a great kid, doesn’t mean he should be playing 36minutes in a game ...
...but perception is reality and the locker room did not agree with JB, specifically after 2 or 3 games including the final loss re Buddy playing time.’, especially the last game loss, guys were pissed off re Buddy minutes, not at Buddy, at the HC, I do think Buddy played well in many games, we needed him, he’s a terrific shooter, , in spots , in spurts...but in any other program with a different HC he’s not playing more minutes than Oshae, Elijah, or Carey, could even say Braswell.

He played more minutes than Oshae Brissett - 1st/2nd round pick this year, don’t care different position, put the talent on the floor , Hughes could have moved to the 2 spot, Carey is superior on defense and Bras could have played, heck he played BB played more than Marek, , the last few losses was some of the worst coaching ...he couldn’t get a shot off and when he did it he missed, 39 minutes in the last loss ..we could have pressed and defended, how many times did guys go right around Buddy into the zone -

And next season ... we will see

I have to wonder if you actually watch the games.

Buddy played 36 minutes three times all season, the last 3 games of the year.

He played well against Pitt and Duke in the ACC tournament and had a very bad game in the NCAA tournament against Baylor.

I can't see anyone with any knowledge of basketball being confused why he played so much against Pitt and Duke.

Against Baylor, Buddy played 39 minutes. Hughes also played 39. Oshae played 38, as did Battle.

Buddy didn't play a lot at the expense of Hughes or Brissett. The Big Four all played close to 40 minutes to help make up for the loss of Frank Howard.

You can say after the fact, now knowing Buddy would out of the blue have an awful game, that he shouldn't have played that much and much less accomplished players should have played instead. But if JB had done that, he would have been criticized roundly. This time, with justification.

I think JB did the right thing.

If you want to argue that Carey and Braswell should have played more minutes in all the previous games, so they would be ready for the game when Howard would be suspended and Buddy would play poorly, that is a better argument and one I don't completely disagree with.

Buddy Boeheim - Men's Basketball - Syracuse University Athletics

Men's Basketball vs Baylor on 3/21/2019 - Box Score - Syracuse University Athletics

 

[SU Dreaming]

No kidding -- we were shorthanded.

Carey didn't do much when he played that game -- if he had, he would have played more. Could have used him.

I have to wonder if you actually watch the games.

Buddy played 36 minutes three times all season, the last 3 games of the year.

He played well against Pitt and Duke in the ACC tournament and had a very bad game in the NCAA tournament against Baylor.

I can't see anyone with any knowledge of basketball being confused why he played so much against Pitt and Duke.

Against Baylor, Buddy played 39 minutes. Hughes also played 39. Oshae played 38, as did Battle.

Buddy didn't play a lot at the expense of Hughes or Brissett. The Big Four all played close to 40 minutes to help make up for the loss of Frank Howard.

You can say after the fact, now knowing Buddy would out of the blue have an awful game, that he shouldn't have played that much and much less accomplished players should have played instead. But if JB had done that, he would have been criticized roundly. This time, with justification.

I think JB did the right thing.

If you want to argue that Carey and Braswell should have played more minutes in all the previous games, so they would be ready for the game when Howard would be suspended and Buddy would play poorly, that is a better argument and one I don't completely disagree with.

Buddy Boeheim - Men's Basketball - Syracuse University Athletics

Men's Basketball vs Baylor on 3/21/2019 - Box Score - Syracuse University Athletics

Buddy should have never been playing 30 min in any game this past year, we had plenty of guys

 

[SU Dreaming]

I have to wonder if you actually watch the games.

Buddy played 36 minutes three times all season, the last 3 games of the year.

He played well against Pitt and Duke in the ACC tournament and had a very bad game in the NCAA tournament against Baylor.

I can't see anyone with any knowledge of basketball being confused why he played so much against Pitt and Duke.

Against Baylor, Buddy played 39 minutes. Hughes also played 39. Oshae played 38, as did Battle.

Buddy didn't play a lot at the expense of Hughes or Brissett. The Big Four all played close to 40 minutes to help make up for the loss of Frank Howard.

You can say after the fact, now knowing Buddy would out of the blue have an awful game, that he shouldn't have played that much and much less accomplished players should have played instead. But if JB had done that, he would have been criticized roundly. This time, with justification.

I think JB did the right thing.

If you want to argue that Carey and Braswell should have played more minutes in all the previous games, so they would be ready for the game when Howard would be suspended and Buddy would play poorly, that is a better argument and one I don't completely disagree with.

Buddy Boeheim - Men's Basketball - Syracuse University Athletics

Men's Basketball vs Baylor on 3/21/2019 - Box Score - Syracuse University Athletics

I respect your thinking, your not taking it personally, meaning so many on board do so, as the season went on we lost more games and Buddy played more and more

Frank was the biggest disappointment of the season and in recent memory 4 year player , part of it was coaches fault , he should have never been playing PG

 

[RF2044]

Buddy should have never been playing 30 min in any game this past year, we had plenty of guys

Look, I don't disagree with the sentiment -- but your opinion only holds on paper. In practical application, it is false. Jalen Carey was terrible last year, lost confidence, and compounded the situation by making quick mistakes when he did garner minutes.

Boeheim started out awful, lost PT, then around the beginning of the ACC portion of the schedule he strung together a couple of solid outings, gained PT, and produced the rest of the way.

If your contention is that Carey has more upside, is a better prospect, and should have gotten more developmental PT -- no argument there. But based upon in-game performance, he didn't earn minutes.

Frank was hurt, Washington was out, and Hughes didn't get many backcourt minutes -- perhaps that's who you were referring to. But the notion that we had "plenty of guys" is nonsense.

And your assessment of Boeheim is way off, based upon performance. You're applying a substantial double standard, given your insistence that Carey should have played more. And this is coming from an unabashed Carey fan who believes [hopes?] that he lives up to the billing this upcoming season.

 

[HOFCeluck]

as the season went on we lost more games and Buddy played more and more

The fact that we lost more games toward the end of the season is clearly due to Buddy Boeheim being trash and has nothing to do with playing six ranked (four top 5) teams out of our last 12 games for sure.

 

[SU Dreaming]

Winning is what matters

 

[AZOrange]

The fact that we lost more games toward the end of the season is clearly due to Buddy Boeheim being trash and has nothing to do with playing six ranked (four top 5) teams out of our last 12 games for sure.

This dude and his takes make me laugh! The locker room was against Buddy and HCJB! Lol

 

[kcsu]

Buddy is a good player who will only improve. I personally would like to see him coming off the bench as our sixth man next season as i like Hughes at the 2
Marek at the 4 Guerrier at the 3 and one of the Frosh at the 5

 

[Jasoncuse]

With Guerrier and Hughes at forward we are really small and will be destroyed by bigger teams.
My starting 5 is much different.
1: JC
2: Hughes
3: Guerrier
4: Marek
5: Sid( if healthy) if not Edwards

We already get destroyed by bigger, stronger teams more often than not. That isn't going to change any time soon, so why not play the best 5 or the best offensive lineup? And why if QG is the 2nd F would we get destroyed more than the lineup you proposed? Playing Hughes out of position at G and both Marek/Sid together just isn't a recipe for success on either end.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Do other schools' fans have this infatuation with putting tall guys at the guard spots? Is it a zone thing?

 

[sugrad68]

Buddy is a good player who will only improve. I personally would like to see him coming off the bench as our sixth man next season as i like Hughes at the 2
Marek at the 4 Guerrier at the 3 and one of the Frosh at the 5

The only thing holding Buddy back is his lack of foot speed on defense. Also gives him trouble getting open on offense. Hopefully better ball movement on offense will get him open shots. A solid Freshman year didn't hurt either. I'm sure he learned quite a bit this past year. I did not think he would contribute as much as he did.

 

[IthacaMatt]

The only thing holding Buddy back is his lack of foot speed on defense. Also gives him trouble getting open on offense. Hopefully better ball movement on offense will get him open shots. A solid Freshman year didn't hurt either. I'm sure he learned quite a bit this past year. I did not think he would contribute as much as he did.

In the second half of the year, not only did the shots start falling, but he was developing a midrange game. He seldom turned it over all season long, and he plays the passing lanes inside the zone well, as you would expect.

He has to get quicker moving his feet to stay in front of guards to cut off penetration into the heart of the zone. He has to learn not to reach on defense, especially when he gets tired (which everyone tends to do, to be honest ...).

The offense should hopefully be much more fluid and feature much more motion, picks and back screens / back cuts. We have so many shooters that if we can be crisp about moving the ball and finding the open man, our offense might be more efficient and less predictable.

 

[Dcuse]

Buddy should have never been playing 30 min in any game this past year, we had plenty of guys

We had plenty of guys....LOL!!

 

[Ghost]

I don't know that anyone is particularly wrong in this thread.

My stance remains that Buddy operated more or less as a specialist. Asked to do very little other than not mess up the game, and otherwise hit threes. It was likely the least we ever asked of a guard to garner substantial minutes - ever.

People seem quite comfortable extrapolating from that that Buddy will thrive next year. Yet seemingly are reticent to have anyone else offer up the same pie-in-the-sky type views of other roster options.

Buddy was glued to the bench against Va Tech because they played tough D, Buddy was decimated in the NCAA tourney by tough defensive pressure. The kid showed he could shoot really well, and was quite composed on the court as a Frosh (maybe his best asset compared to other Frosh of late).

As far as a full compliment of skills? Uhhhhhh, when exactly did we see those? His defensive was subpar, he's kind of slow with the ball, he knows where to be - but if "smarts" were so integral to the game we would see a lot more slow footed guard dominating college ball.

I think Buddy starts, I think he'll be better, and more than capable of giving us big minutes if we have the athleticism at other positions to make up for it, but the idea that people question it a bit isn't quite as absurd as some people are making it out to be.

Buddy could be Chukwu for all we know...dreamy potential based off one specialist quality (Chukwu super-tall shot blocking demon!), and the rest never quite materializes as hoped due to other limitations. We'll always get the shooting from him though. That's pretty clear.

Buddy's specialty is just more noticeable and fun (it's a THREEEEEE!), and likely needed considering our shooting woes of late. I think he'll be great, he just seems to have it, but who knows.