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JRHEETER said:
Not directly, but indirectly.
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It sounds like TM gets a fixed fee from the SUAD regardless of the number or amount of donations. Thus, each person's individual donation does not itself result in a fee to TM.
 
Yeah, I mean, my income at SU went to surviving. But if I got a bag at that age I'll be honest, I'd have wasted it all on a Lambo.

Credit to Fran. He's a coach and a mentor.
 
Great teaching the players that they can be far ahead of their peers if they save and build not just for now but for their future. They can be totally debt free with a good amount of savings when seeking their first job after the end of their football careers. Not many college graduates can achieve that so young.
 
Re: the ticketmaster discussion. I a previous job I did some work with them. People use them for way more than tickets and typically, the tickets (or donations tied to tickets) are the only place that ticketmaster fees are assessed.

Part of the ticketmaster contracts organizations have is also the software for mass emails (so that's why a lot of SU's emails are sent through ticketmaster) or using their software for credit card information. I can't speak to this exact situation or SU's contract, but to me it would make sense for them to use those two products and I'd be VERY surprised if Ticketmaster took a cut of this (beyond maybe the credit card fee). Think the donation they may take a cut of is the one tied to your ticket (if youre a season ticket holder, whether you know it or not, your ticket price is part 'donation' and part 'ticket' baked into the price. Why? I'm not sure, would assume some accounting reason).
 
CNYGuy said:
Re: the ticketmaster discussion. I a previous job I did some work with them. People use them for way more than tickets and typically, the tickets (or donations tied to tickets) are the only place that ticketmaster fees are assessed.

Part of the ticketmaster contracts organizations have is also the software for mass emails (so that's why a lot of SU's emails are sent through ticketmaster) or using their software for credit card information. I can't speak to this exact situation or SU's contract, but to me it would make sense for them to use those two products and I'd be VERY surprised if Ticketmaster took a cut of this (beyond maybe the credit card fee). Think the donation they may take a cut of is the one tied to your ticket (if youre a season ticket holder, whether you know it or not, your ticket price is part 'donation' and part 'ticket' baked into the price. Why? I'm not sure, would assume some accounting reason).
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Thanks much for the detailed first hand clarification. When I transitioned our NIL project I had a few donors who told me they would no longer give because Orange United took an administrative fee. I guess they thought the website, legal support including contract authoring, staff salaries, reporting, and marketing among other costs should have been free. I didn’t want anyone to use the same excuse to not give to CAF.
 
Quick question after reading Neil's article. Do the funds donated to the Champion Cuse fund which ADJW suggests donations go to just go to support the SU campaign to pay its athletes revenue sharing? Or does it also go for separate NIL opportunities that is available to the athletes over and above the SU's payment of revenue sharing? If it only goes for revenue sharing we're in BIG trouble and will not be able to compete with other P4 schools without a robust NIL program. [Sorry I don't have time right now to dig through the SU website to see if the answer is in there. Thought maybe someone on here might already know. Thanks.]
 
FloridaCuse said:
Quick question after reading Neil's article. Do the funds donated to the Champion Cuse fund which ADJW suggests donations go to just go to support the SU campaign to pay its athletes revenue sharing? Or does it also go for separate NIL opportunities that is available to the athletes over and above the SU's payment of revenue sharing? If it only goes for revenue sharing we're in BIG trouble and will not be able to compete with other P4 schools without a robust NIL program. [Sorry I don't have time right now to dig through the SU website to see if the answer is in there. Thought maybe someone on here might already know. Thanks.]
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Only to rev share and capped at $20.5 MM minus the cost of any additional scholarships from new roster limits. That adjustment is only up to the first $2.5MM so rev share could be as low as $18.0.

ChampionCuse now consists of multiple components. The Athletics Competitive Excellence Fund is the rev share component,

The AD would like to see all small to medium donors give through ChampionCuse and look to corporate support and major donors to fund NIL. The exception is SU Football NIL which still solicits donations of all levels but only supports that single sport.
 
Consigliere said:
Only to rev share and capped at $20.5 MM minus the cost of any additional scholarships from new roster limits. That adjustment is only up to the first $2.5MM so rev share could be as low as $18.0.

ChampionCuse now consists of multiple components. The Athletics Competitive Excellence Fund is the rev share component,

The AD would like to see all small to medium donors give through ChampionCuse and look to corporate support and major donors to fund NIL. The exception is SU Football NIL which still solicits donations of all levels but only supports that single sport.
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Thank you for the explanation. Do I understand you correctly that donations to ChampionCuse go toward revenue sharing and there is no way currently for individuals to donate to NIL other than for football? Or am I missing something? I thought I saw on the Lacrosse Board that the Athletic Dept has a coaches fund that would go toward NIL for the Lacrosse team, or is that also toward funding revenue sharing. Thanks very much.
 
FloridaCuse said:
Thank you for the explanation. Do I understand you correctly that donations to ChampionCuse go toward revenue sharing and there is no way currently for individuals to donate to NIL other than for football? Or am I missing something? I thought I saw on the Lacrosse Board that the Athletic Dept has a coaches fund that would go toward NIL for the Lacrosse team, or is that also toward funding revenue sharing. Thanks very much.
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ChampionCuse encompasses the Athletics Competitive Excellence Fund that covers revenue sharing with the vast majority going to football and basketball, the Athletics Opportunity Fund which is essentially a discretionary fund for the AD to use as he sees fit, and the individual coaches’ discretionary funds that are targeted to individual sports and, as titled, are used at the Head Coach’s discretion. I have seen those funds tapped to buy meeting room equipment, travel amenities, and work out facilities equipment among other things.
The University still cannot directly engage in NIL activity to my understanding. They can provide information to athletes and businesses, they can communicate the importance of these deals, and they can provide tools to support compliance, but they cannot collect funds and distribute payments or author contracts. The only role they can have in athlete compensation is in revenue sharing payments.
Outside of football I do not believe there is any avenue today for an individual to direct NIL funds to a sport or individual. I thought the INFLCR platform was still active but upon checking today no current athletes are registered.

I honestly don’t know how businesses and major donor individuals initiate NIL transactions but something must exist. I’ll do more research to see what I can find out. And I don’t know the process for entering NIL deals over $600 into the NIL Go platform. I believe the athlete (or their agent) is responsible. I do see that you need to have a school affiliated email address to register for access.

Of course this is still a very dynamic environment. It changes virtually every day and, as just a fan now, I certainly may have missed some developments. And there are major legislative actions in the works, see the SCORE Act, that might lead to even greater paradigm shifts in the near future, so stay tuned!
 
Consigliere said:
ChampionCuse encompasses the Athletics Competitive Excellence Fund that covers revenue sharing with the vast majority going to football and basketball, the Athletics Opportunity Fund which is essentially a discretionary fund for the AD to use as he sees fit, and the individual coaches’ discretionary funds that are targeted to individual sports and, as titled, are used at the Head Coach’s discretion. I have seen those funds tapped to buy meeting room equipment, travel amenities, and work out facilities equipment among other things.
The University still cannot directly engage in NIL activity to my understanding. They can provide information to athletes and businesses, they can communicate the importance of these deals, and they can provide tools to support compliance, but they cannot collect funds and distribute payments or author contracts. The only role they can have in athlete compensation is in revenue sharing payments.
Outside of football I do not believe there is any avenue today for an individual to direct NIL funds to a sport or individual. I thought the INFLCR platform was still active but upon checking today no current athletes are registered.

I honestly don’t know how businesses and major donor individuals initiate NIL transactions but something must exist. I’ll do more research to see what I can find out. And I don’t know the process for entering NIL deals over $600 into the NIL Go platform. I believe the athlete (or their agent) is responsible. I do see that you need to have a school affiliated email address to register for access.

Of course this is still a very dynamic environment. It changes virtually every day and, as just a fan now, I certainly may have missed some developments. And there are major legislative actions in the works, see the SCORE Act, that might lead to even greater paradigm shifts in the near future, so stay tuned!
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Terrific. Thanks very much for the clarification and further explanation. It seems that Neil Adler's piece on this may be correct that without an NIL mechanism for sports other than for football we may be behind most other P4 schools. I'd think there must be something for basketball. We just may not know what it is. Great work.
 
FloridaCuse said:
Terrific. Thanks very much for the clarification and further explanation. It seems that Neil Adler's piece on this may be correct that without an NIL mechanism for sports other than for football we may be behind most other P4 schools. I'd think there must be something for basketball. We just may not know what it is. Great work.
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I guess my question is why there isn't more publicized knowledge of how to contribute to NIL for, say, men's basketball or women's field hockey? Unless I'm missing something, you would think they would want to make it easier, not harder.
 
Sounds like we were blindsided by SANIL shuttering and are scrambling to pick up the pieces to build a functional NIL donation system to fund sports beyond football.

Perhaps it's time to bring in a business consultant and develop and actual business plan and organizational hierarchy to effectively target these needs? Is an approach like that being considered??

I fear that if the board decides to have the AD try to build this adhoc, in-house, it will be done wrong and come up short. Nothing against Wildhack, but I don't think this is in his wheelhouse (nor in the wheelhouse of most school ADs.)

Hire consultants that design organizational structures and business plans a for a living. Pay for the expertise and do it right.

Since we're behind, we really can't afford to do catch-up and get it wrong.

Plus, if you do it right, you can also communicate it proactively and forgo the "don't say much since we're not in good shape" current communication strategy, which is certainly not a good look for anyone considering donating and looking for guidance.
 
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orange79 said:
I guess my question is why there isn't more publicized knowledge of how to contribute to NIL for, say, men's basketball or women's field hockey? Unless I'm missing something, you would think they would want to make it easier, not harder.
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A lot of us are wondering the same thing.
 
kingtidge said:
Sounds like we were blindsided by SANIL shuttering and are scrambling to pick up the pieces to build a functional NIL donation system to fund sports beyond football.

Perhaps it's time to bring in a business consultant and develop and actual business plan and organizational hierarchy to effectively target these needs? Is an approach like that being considered??

I fear that if the board decides to have the AD try to build this adhoc, in-house, it will be done wrong and come up short. Nothing against Wildhack, but I don't think this is in his wheelhouse (nor in the wheelhouse of most school ADs.)

Hire consultants that design organizational structures and business plans a for a living. Pay for the expertise and do it right.

Since we're behind, we really can't afford to do catch-up and get it wrong.

Plus, if you do it right, you can also communicate it proactively and forgo the "don't say much since we're not in good shape" current communication strategy, which is certainly not a good look for anyone considering donating and looking for guidance.
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Don’t think they were blindsided. Mechanism was in place to migrate Orange United from SANIL to Blueprint Sports and the Blueprint CEO was actively involved in negotiations with SU. I am not sure how much of the current state was driven by challenges with that migration, how much was driven by inability of SU and BPS to reach a contractual agreement and how much was based on a desire on the part of SU to maximize cash flowing into ChampionCuse by shutting down other channels,
 
Consigliere said:
Don’t think they were blindsided. Mechanism was in place to migrate Orange United from SANIL to Blueprint Sports and the Blueprint CEO was actively involved in negotiations with SU. I am not sure how much of the current state was driven by challenges with that migration, how much was driven by inability of SU and BPS to reach a contractual agreement and how much was based on a desire on the part of SU to maximize cash flowing into ChampionCuse by shutting down other channels,
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Fair enough, but given all these open questions and the minimal, tight-lipped responses from the AD's office when asked on these issues, it appears they haven't sorted out an approach they can effectively communicate to donors as yet.

Certainly not ideal. Hopefully real progress is being made behind the scenes and it's just the usual problem of poor communication.
 
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