OT: Time for ND to join ACC?

[Hoo's That]

You think FSU and Clemson will ever go for 9 conference games?

I'm one of those who think the schedule will be expanded to 13 games in the not-too-distant future. There seems to be a lot of agitation to expand conference schedules to 9 games (some of it caused by the need for divisions). If more conferences opt for 9 conference games, I think they'll also push for expanding the schedule to 13 games as well.

 

[KaiserUEO]

The only question to ask is what's in it for ND?

And by that I mean $$$$$$$$$.

Would joining the ACC, and forsaking "independence", be a big net positive in terms of revenue? If not, there's no need to do it.

i feel that eventually, they will be losing out on $$$.

that wont sit well.

its good to have a seat on the plane...

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'm one of those who think the schedule will be expanded to 13 games in the not-too-distant future. There seems to be a lot of agitation to expand conference schedules to 9 games (some of it caused by the need for divisions). If more conferences opt for 9 conference games, I think they'll also push for expanding the schedule to 13 games as well.

9 conference games, 4 non-conference games, 1 CCG, 1 Bowl Game / Nat'l Semi-Final, 1 Nat'l Champ game.

16 games. That's an NFL season.

Just wait until the playoffs expand to 8 teams.

 

[texascpa]

The only question to ask is what's in it for ND?

And by that I mean $$$$$$$$$.

Would joining the ACC, and forsaking "independence", be a big net positive in terms of revenue? If not, there's no need to do it.

From what I've read, their current contract provides them somewhere between $15-20 million/year, but I'm guessing it's on the low-end of that range. Either way, it's on the low-end of ACC money. However, they are limited in the big bowl games to 2 every 12 years. So, opportunity is there to miss out on more money. I would believe ACC could push ESPN for more if they got ND to join. PLUS, I think it would push an ACC channel into the green-light mode.

 

[TheCusian]

Assuming Notre Dame continues to schedule as they currently do, there SOS will be good enough to compensate for the lack of a championship game.

I don't think so. Let's assume they lose to the best team on their schedule. One less game vs a probable top ten team and a loss.

There are 5 power conferences for 4 spots. 4 of those conferences play an extra game vs a top 10-15 team. So they'd have to play a tougher SOS and same wins than the B12 AND one of the conference champs not making it to the playoffs. Then - maybe - it would be enough.

 

[donniesyracuse]

So they'd have to play a tougher SOS and same wins than the B12 AND one of the conference champs not making it to the playoffs. Then - maybe - it would be enough.

I think that would almost always be the case for a one-loss Notre Dame team.

 

[shantydaze]

That would be great if it plays out like that!! If they were to join who would be the 16th team?

The easy answer is - whoever ND wants.

In reality, it depends on the what the conference thinks is most important. It is looking to secure the Northeast/East Coast? Is it looking for new markets? Is it looking for a basketball or football power? Can it raid another P5 conference (XII) or does it need to look to G5 conference? Does the conference care about academics?

Texas sounds great, but has shown that it does not play well with others. The XII lost three teams (allegedly) because of Texas and its hubris and the invitation to join the Pac fell apart because of the refusal to incorporate the Longhorn Network into the Pac Networks. If Texas cannot learn to be an equal member in the ACC, I am not sure they are worth it.

If Texas is out and the conference cares about academics, WVU and Cincy would also be out. What does that leave? I think the ACC may have to look at the AAC. From a university, as opposed to an athletic perspective, I would like a private school with strong academics. This would rule out UConn.

Although not an athletically in the same league, I would like Tulane be considered if there is a contractual requirement it invest further in , athletics. It would be a great road trip, fits in academically, and gives SU another private school ally when voting on league matters.

 

[texascpa]

The easy answer is - whoever ND wants.

In reality, it depends on the what the conference thinks is most important. It is looking to secure the Northeast/East Coast? Is it looking for new markets? Is it looking for a basketball or football power? Can it raid another P5 conference (XII) or does it need to look to G5 conference? Does the conference care about academics?

Texas sounds great, but has shown that it does not play well with others. The XII lost three teams (allegedly) because of Texas and its hubris and the invitation to join the Pac fell apart because of the refusal to incorporate the Longhorn Network into the Pac Networks. If Texas cannot learn to be an equal member in the ACC, I am not sure they are worth it.

If Texas is out and the conference cares about academics, WVU and Cincy would also be out. What does that leave? I think the ACC may have to look at the AAC. From a university, as opposed to an athletic perspective, I would like a private school with strong academics. This would rule out UConn.

Although not an athletically in the same league, I would like Tulane be considered if there is a contractual requirement it invest further in , athletics. It would be a great road trip, fits in academically, and gives SU another private school ally when voting on league matters.

Florida St and Clemson would have a fit if Tulane was even considered. And they would do nothing for viewership. It has to be ND and a known commodity like Texas or WVU.

 

[Briancuse]

Florida St and Clemson would have a fit if Tulane was even considered. And they would do nothing for viewership. It has to be ND and a known commodity like Texas or WVU.

They wouldn't be the only ones to have a fit if Tulane was considered.

 

[Scooch]

i feel that eventually, they will be losing out on $$$.

that wont sit well.

its good to have a seat on the plane...

Perhaps. But just like in the debates about the BA/BCS vs. a playoff, the issue isn't just money, but CONTROL of the money.

ND may prefer making a little less money by being independent vs. being in a conference if it provides them full control over their revenue. They very well may not value a couple million dollars over ceding control to the ACC.

 

[texascpa]

They wouldn't be the only ones to have a fit if Tulane was considered.

Definitely true, but they would certainly be the most vocal and the worst to get riled up. It wasn't long ago there were whispers of Florida St. wanting to bolt to the SEC when we were brought in.

 

[Briancuse]

Definitely true, but they would certainly be the most vocal and the worst to get riled up. It wasn't long ago there were whispers of Florida St. wanting to bolt to the SEC when we were brought in.

That is very true, I think it would raise a few eyebrows among the acc and college football, if Tulane was seriously considered.

 

[CousCuse]

The easy answer is - whoever ND wants.

In reality, it depends on the what the conference thinks is most important. It is looking to secure the Northeast/East Coast? Is it looking for new markets? Is it looking for a basketball or football power? Can it raid another P5 conference (XII) or does it need to look to G5 conference? Does the conference care about academics?

Texas sounds great, but has shown that it does not play well with others. The XII lost three teams (allegedly) because of Texas and its hubris and the invitation to join the Pac fell apart because of the refusal to incorporate the Longhorn Network into the Pac Networks. If Texas cannot learn to be an equal member in the ACC, I am not sure they are worth it.

If Texas is out and the conference cares about academics, WVU and Cincy would also be out. What does that leave? I think the ACC may have to look at the AAC. From a university, as opposed to an athletic perspective, I would like a private school with strong academics. This would rule out UConn.

Although not an athletically in the same league, I would like Tulane be considered if there is a contractual requirement it invest further in , athletics. It would be a great road trip, fits in academically, and gives SU another private school ally when voting on league matters.

Terry Bowden.

 

[Scooch]

Definitely true, but they would certainly be the most vocal and the worst to get riled up. It wasn't long ago there were whispers of Florida St. wanting to bolt to the SEC when we were brought in.

But were they stealth, ninja whispers?!?!?

 

[TheCusian]

I think that would almost always be the case for a one-loss Notre Dame team.

Had they finished with one loss last season, they'd be behind TCU, Baylor, FSU*, Alabama*, Oregon* in SOS.

So they'd be left out in favor of Baylor and TCU based on SOS. As it stands they'd have had to jump those two plus Ohio State* - who played one more game vs a top 15 team to win the B1G championship.

* Conference Champs

 

[KaiserUEO]

Perhaps. But just like in the debates about the BA/BCS vs. a playoff, the issue isn't just money, but CONTROL of the money.

ND may prefer making a little less money by being independent vs. being in a conference if it provides them full control over their revenue. They very well may not value a couple million dollars over ceding control to the ACC.

at the end of the day, this decision is shooting above the head, below the feet and out of arms reach of all of us here...

 

[Toga]

Make Vandy an offer they can't refuse and make the Nashville Network the new ACC Network.

 

[MadisonCuse]

That would be great if it plays out like that!! If they were to join who would be the 16th team?

If Notre Dame joined it would make sense for Texas to come with them. Texas wants to be with ND if possible. it also kills off the Big 12 by starting the push to 16. it also makes it easier on the committee winners from P4 into the playoff.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Had they finished with one loss last season, they'd be behind TCU, Baylor, FSU*, Alabama*, Oregon* in SOS.

So they'd be left out in favor of Baylor and TCU based on SOS. As it stands they'd have had to jump those two plus Ohio State* - who played one more game vs a top 15 team to win the B1G championship.

* Conference Champs

Indeed, I was giving ND too much credit. I assumed they were consistently top 20 in SOS; my mistake.

 

[IthacaMatt]

That would be great if it plays out like that!! If they were to join who would be the 16th team?

Penn State, and then split ACC into North and South divisions. It would be awesome. TV would love it.


Miami
Penn State
Notre Dame
Boston College
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia Tech
Louisville


Florida State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia
North Carolina State
Wake Forest

 

[orangefog]

With Notre Dame and Texas added to the ACC, would that then rival the SEC for top football conference? I think the potential is there.

 

[TheCusian]

Indeed, I was giving ND too much credit. I assumed they were consistently top 20 in SOS; my mistake.

No worries. I think that's part of their problem... Perception doesn't always live up to reality - and I'm not sure the committee can go with a false perception. Scrutiny is too high.

 

[SUfaninAZ]

Make Vandy an offer they can't refuse and make the Nashville Network the new ACC Network.

Trade Wake Forest for Vanderbilt.

 

[Toga]

Trade Wake Forest for Vanderbilt.

Past thinking has been Va. Tech or possibly NC St. for Vandy. Better culture fits.

 

[Alsacs]

Notre Dame is not joining a football conference. The Big Ten and ACC are there only two options. Neither will push ND because they fear the other getting them.