OT: Time for ND to join ACC?

[HtownOrange]

ND does not need more money, the decision will come when ND is ready to join a conference. When ND is not worthy of the playoffs, there is not pressure to join a conference. Let ND miss the playoffs with a couple one-loss seasons or be fifth, behind four P5 conference champs, then the pressure to join a conference will mount.

Too many people believe that a couple million dollars in sports revenue is a big deal. When AD budgets surpass $100MM and school budgets are measured in Billion$ of dollars, a school with ND's rabid fanbase can afford to pass on a couple million dollars.

 

[TheCusian]

Notre Dame is not joining a football conference. The Big Ten and ACC are there only two options. Neither will push ND because they fear the other getting them. YouTube Video

Naw. When the dollars are equal or less and the chance to play in the playoff endangered - they will join. And it has to be the ACC of it's in the next x amount of years per ACC/ND agreement.

The only thing I see changing this is if the playoff expands to 8.

 

[Alsacs]

Naw. When the dollars are equal or less and the chance to play in the playoff endangered - they will join. And it has to be the ACC of it's in the next x amount of years per ACC/ND agreement.

The only thing I see changing this is if the playoff expands to 8.

My cousin and uncle went to ND. They are pathological about ND FB being independent. They believe if ND isn't 11-1 and not worthy of the playoffs oh well rather than join a conference. They realize they have to go 12-0 to be sure to make the playoffs. This is the mindset that fits a significant majority of ND alumni and fanbase.

ND fans would rather be independent and not make the playoffs than join a conference and lose their independent and make the playoffs.

Trust me ND is not joining a conference unless the NCAA mandates FB teams be members of a conference. The money is always going to be there for ND.

 

[Rocco]

Penn State, and then split ACC into North and South divisions. It would be awesome. TV would love it.


Miami
Penn State
Notre Dame
Boston College
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia Tech
Louisville


Florida State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia
North Carolina State
Wake Forest

While unlikely, this would be the shitt. Wow.

 

[baggerbob]

Perhaps. But just like in the debates about the BA/BCS vs. a playoff, the issue isn't just money, but CONTROL of the money.

ND may prefer making a little less money by being independent vs. being in a conference if it provides them full control over their revenue. They very well may not value a couple million dollars over ceding control to the ACC.

They already have conceded control over almost half their games to the ACC, they play 5 games every year in which the ACC chooses who they play.

 

[TheCusian]

My cousin and uncle went to ND. They are pathological about ND FB being independent. They believe if ND isn't 11-1 and not worthy of the playoffs oh well rather than join a conference. They realize they have to go 12-0 to be sure to make the playoffs. This is the mindset that fits a significant majority of ND alumni and fanbase. ND fans would rather be independent and not make the playoffs than join a conference and lose their independent and make the playoffs. Trust me ND is not joining a conference unless the NCAA mandates FB teams be members of a conference. The money is always going to be there for ND.

That's a fine choice - but honestly - choosing semi-irrelevance and less money over time will whittle away at the leadership.

I got into it with a ND fan here and he said the same thing about independence. It's such an odd hang up. Especially since the ACC relationship is like a "half-in" already.

 

[Janner]

[QUOTE="The only thing I see changing this is if the playoff expands to 8.[/QUOTE]

This x 10. ND will not be joining a conference because of the Playoff. There is a much better chance of the Playoff system expanding before ND joins any conference because of all the money involved, I wouldn't even be surprised if ND is leading the charge to reopen the contract talks (especially if they have an 11-1/10-2 year and miss out). Once the Playoff expands to 8 (or 12 or 16...) this will not be a problem for ND.

 

[Alsacs]

That's a fine choice - but honestly - choosing semi-irrelevance and less money over time will whittle away at the leadership.

I got into it with a ND fan here and he said the same thing about independence. It's such an odd hang up. Especially since the ACC relationship is like a "half-in" already.

Listen I agree with you I am just stating what the ND fanbase thinks and that is what ND administration will listen too. ND is already 5/8ths a member of the ACC and if they had to join a conference I believe it would be the ACC since they hate the Big Ten for Michigan blackballing them in the 1930s.

They aren't joining unless the NCAA mandates all teams be in conferences.

 

[Briancuse]

Indeed, I was giving ND too much credit. I assumed they were consistently top 20 in SOS; my mistake.

Their schedule is pretty weak this year.

 

[Ottoble]

Yes. The rule change will allow conference championship games without requiring divisions. That odd and even setup is quite intriguing!

I think you could do it anyways just who is in the divisions changes every year.

 

[Ottoble]

9 conference games, 4 non-conference games, 1 CCG, 1 Bowl Game / Nat'l Semi-Final, 1 Nat'l Champ game.

16 games. That's an NFL season.

Just wait until the playoffs expand to 8 teams.

Yeah but the players on those two teams are pretty much all NFL guys anyways ... Good Prep

 

[Scooch]

They already have conceded control over almost half their games to the ACC, they play 5 games every year in which the ACC chooses who they play.

ND has always had scheduling arrangements. That the ACC arrangement is more pervasive than other, one-off arrangements does not faze their fan base. But they still control all of their football revenue. That's the issue.

 

[elimunelson]

ND has always had scheduling arrangements. That the ACC arrangement is more pervasive than other, one-off arrangements does not faze their fan base. But they still control all of their football revenue. That's the issue.

not sure the fans care about the control of their football revenue. It seems like the admin of ND have a legit reason to say no thank you b/c of what Scooch alluded to.
The fans seem completely delusional about being independent if it was at the expense of playing for national championships. you can't discount the ND arrogance with the notion of being independent (absent the money part which I think is closer than ever before).

I assume if the ACC folded them in the NBC contract would fold in somehow where they'd get the cake and eat it too.

Long winded way of saying probably isn't going to happen any time soon. I hope i'm wrong.

 

[Ottoble]

Make Vandy an offer they can't refuse and make the Nashville Network the new ACC Network.

Gotta be honest Vandy was my thought to add with ND all the way.

ACC Adds ND and Vandy in agreements with SEC,
SEC adds Texas (and/or Oklahoma or OK State to also hit 16?).
SEC and ACC partner to have Two Shared TV networks,
SEC/ACC crossover games in football and basketball, helping each conference in one sport or the other.

Yes sounds Crazy but it makes the ACC stronger Vandy+ND, it makes the SEC stronger, Texas+Removing weaker team(+OK/OKST?). Makes both Conference' Television reach more balanced with better overall reach.

If you haven't noticed the ACC and SEC have a nice balance right now in several states where each conference has at least one team and these two teams play each other annually which is very important for TV households. The list: FLA/FLAST/MIA, SC/CLEM, GA/GT, KENT/L'ville, Swapping out Vandy makes sense for Vandy, the ACC, and SEC and Vandy can keep playing TENN annually.

Vandy -> ACC
Academics = Fit
Basketball = Fit
Football = Fit
(Occasionally good and likely better considering them not getting blistered every week by SEC teams with lower academic standards)

Texas (+2 Traditional B12 powers?)
Academics = Fit
Basketball = Fit
Football = Fit

If the pot is sweet enough though I think Vandy shifting over to make space for the Red river 3 could work. It's like a three team trade in baseball except the Big XII gets dissolved and the rest of their teams get split between the PAC/Big10.

I'd trade NC state for Ole Miss or TAMU (both academically ranked above Louisville, NCstate is between them) or something like that to further spread the tv coverage and crossover but I doubt that would happen.

 

[Toga]

Gotta be honest Vandy was my thought to add with ND all the way.

ACC Adds ND and Vandy in agreements with SEC,
SEC adds Texas (and/or Oklahoma or OK State to also hit 16?).
SEC and ACC partner to have Two Shared TV networks,
SEC/ACC crossover games in football and basketball, helping each conference in one sport or the other.

Yes sounds Crazy but it makes the ACC stronger Vandy+ND, it makes the SEC stronger, Texas+Removing weaker team(+OK/OKST?). Makes both Conference' Television reach more balanced with better overall reach.

If you haven't noticed the ACC and SEC have a nice balance right now in several states where each conference has at least one team and these two teams play each other annually which is very important for TV households. The list: FLA/FLAST/MIA, SC/CLEM, GA/GT, KENT/L'ville, Swapping out Vandy makes sense for Vandy, the ACC, and SEC and Vandy can keep playing TENN annually.

Vandy -> ACC
Academics = Fit
Basketball = Fit
Football = Fit
(Occasionally good and likely better considering them not getting blistered every week by SEC teams with lower academic standards)

Texas (+2 Traditional B12 powers?)
Academics = Fit
Basketball = Fit
Football = Fit

If the pot is sweet enough though I think Vandy shifting over to make space for the Red river 3 could work. It's like a three team trade in baseball except the Big XII gets dissolved and the rest of their teams get split between the PAC/Big10.

I'd trade NC state for Ole Miss or TAMU (both academically ranked above Louisville, NCstate is between them) or something like that to further spread the tv coverage and crossover but I doubt that would happen.

That's a lot of agreeing that would need to happen.

 

[Alsacs]

SEC Network owns all T3 rights for SEC teams in perpetuity. ESPN made the SEC teams agree to that as part of the deal. As long as the SECN exists that deals applies.
No team is leaving the SEC for the ACC as the money the SEC makes is the most in the country.
Vandy is a good fit but will never leave the SEC for the ACC.

 

[Alsacs]

There won't be any realignment till Texas or Oklahoma dictate it. Those are the teams in the Big XII which can go pretty much anywhere they want. Oklahoma-Big Ten, SEC. Texas-Indy, Big Ten SEC, Pac-12, ACC w/ND deal.

Until one of them move if they even decide to move no realignment is likely to happen.

 

[WickedOrange]

Make Vandy an offer they can't refuse and make the Nashville Network the new ACC Network.

SEC and ACC need to straight up trade Vandy and NC state.

 

[orange79]

SEC and ACC need to straight up trade Vandy and NC state.

It would never happen, but I'd take that trade faster than Frozen responds to a CaliCuse post.

 

[Alsacs]

SEC and ACC need to straight up trade Vandy and NC state.

This makes sense in theory but since the ACC signed a GOR the ACC owns those rights and if they let NC State out of that contract the conference risks allowing any other team going to another conference without penalty. I doubt the ACC would risk this. Also, the UNC school system controls the budget of NC State. UNC will never let NC State go to the SEC and risk upstaging the state's flagship UNC-CH. UNC-CH will never let NC State off the leash it has on them.

 

[HtownOrange]

Gotta be honest Vandy was my thought to add with ND all the way.

ACC Adds ND and Vandy in agreements with SEC,
SEC adds Texas (and/or Oklahoma or OK State to also hit 16?).
SEC and ACC partner to have Two Shared TV networks,
SEC/ACC crossover games in football and basketball, helping each conference in one sport or the other.

Yes sounds Crazy but it makes the ACC stronger Vandy+ND, it makes the SEC stronger, Texas+Removing weaker team(+OK/OKST?). Makes both Conference' Television reach more balanced with better overall reach.

If you haven't noticed the ACC and SEC have a nice balance right now in several states where each conference has at least one team and these two teams play each other annually which is very important for TV households. The list: FLA/FLAST/MIA, SC/CLEM, GA/GT, KENT/L'ville, Swapping out Vandy makes sense for Vandy, the ACC, and SEC and Vandy can keep playing TENN annually.

Vandy -> ACC
Academics = Fit
Basketball = Fit
Football = Fit
(Occasionally good and likely better considering them not getting blistered every week by SEC teams with lower academic standards)

Texas (+2 Traditional B12 powers?)
Academics = Fit
Basketball = Fit
Football = Fit

If the pot is sweet enough though I think Vandy shifting over to make space for the Red river 3 could work. It's like a three team trade in baseball except the Big XII gets dissolved and the rest of their teams get split between the PAC/Big10.

I'd trade NC state for Ole Miss or TAMU (both academically ranked above Louisville, NCstate is between them) or something like that to further spread the tv coverage and crossover but I doubt that would happen.

Texas is not going to the SEC and the SEC is not taking Okie State. Nobody wants OU and Okie State, the PAC rejected OU with Okie State. The viewership is too small to want anyone other than OU in OK.

Vandy is not leaving the SEC. They don't care how teh football gets beat up, they love their conference mates...and money.

 

[HtownOrange]

This makes sense in theory but since the ACC signed a GOR the ACC owns those rights and if they let NC State out of that contract the conference risks allowing any other team going to another conference without penalty. I doubt the ACC would risk this. Also, the UNC school system controls the budget of NC State. UNC will never let NC State go to the SEC and risk upstaging the state's flagship UNC-CH. UNC-CH will never let NC State off the leash it has on them.

I agree that a trade will not happen. Regarding your scenario, as ESPN is teh TV partner with both conferences, if ESPN blessed the trade, the GOR of each conference could be modified by agreement to accommodate the trade. This will not happen, but as ESPN wold not be losing anything, they could make it happen. Just making an argument, not really worthy of a deep discussion.

 

[Hoo's That]

Their schedule is pretty weak this year.

No it isn't; they're playing us! Well, and Clemson, too.

 

[Alsacs]

I agree that a trade will not happen. Regarding your scenario, as ESPN is teh TV partner with both conferences, if ESPN blessed the trade, the GOR of each conference could be modified by agreement to accommodate the trade. This will not happen, but as ESPN wold not be losing anything, they could make it happen. Just making an argument, not really worthy of a deep discussion.

My point was that the Big Ten could come in without a GOR and make a Godfather offer.

I agree with the rest. In theory this trade would make sense as each conference would gaining a new state and market with sponsorship dollars. However, UNC will not let their little brothers get away like Texas did with A&M.

 

[Alsacs]

ND plays 6 ACC teams next year. They are for all intents playing an ACC schedule next year. If they added two more teams instead of Umass and Temple they would be playing a complete ACC schedule next year.