OT: Time for ND to join ACC?

[Toga]

My point was that the Big Ten could come in without a GOR and make a Godfather offer.

I agree with the rest. In theory this trade would make sense as each conference would gaining a new state and market with sponsorship dollars. However, UNC will not let their little brothers get away like Texas did with A&M.

Then the SEC may have Blacksburg and ACC takes Nashville.

 

[Frozen]

It would never happen, but I'd take that trade faster than Frozen responds to a CaliCuse post.

BOO!!!

 

[CuseOnly]

Where is The Dude from WV when you need him...

 

[Hoo's That]

Where is The Dude from WV when you need him...

Still in his Mom's basement consulting all his "sources".

 

[baggerbob]

My personal feeling is If Notre Dame decided to be a full member, you take the best school in all sports, and with good academics. The money Notre Dame brings in, as a full member, would make any complaints from Florida St, and Clemson go away. For the Northern schools Pitt, BC, Notre Dame, and Syracuse, that would be UConn. That would seal off the east coast, and leave Rutgers, and Maryland as outcasts in the east.

 

[Ottoble]

There won't be any realignment till Texas or Oklahoma dictate it. Those are the teams in the Big XII which can go pretty much anywhere they want. Oklahoma-Big Ten, SEC. Texas-Indy, Big Ten SEC, Pac-12, ACC w/ND deal.

Until one of them move if they even decide to move no realignment is likely to happen.

SEC Network owns all T3 rights for SEC teams in perpetuity. ESPN made the SEC teams agree to that as part of the deal. As long as the SECN exists that deals applies.
No team is leaving the SEC for the ACC as the money the SEC makes is the most in the country.
Vandy is a good fit but will never leave the SEC for the ACC.

Exactly my point in saying it would need to be an agreement to move Vandy then take TX OK OKST to the SEC. With ND and Vandy ACC money would get better.

 

[Cheriehoop]

The easy answer is - whoever ND wants.
If Texas is out and the conference cares about academics, WVU and Cincy would also be out. What does that
leave? I think the ACC may have to look at the AAC. From a university, as opposed to an athletic perspective, I would like a private school with strong academics. This would rule out UConn.

Although not an athletically in the same league, I would like Tulane be considered if there is a contractual requirement it invest further in , athletics. It would be a great road trip, fits in academically, and gives SU another private school ally when voting on league matters.

Wonder how happy Vanderbilt is in the SEC? Maybe they just love the $. They definitely aren't a fit with the SEC.

 

[Jeepers]

ND isn't going to join unless they really, really have to. I don't see them anywhere near that point yet.

Vanderbilt would be perfect with ND. Even better would be trading NC State for Vandy.

I don't know why anyone would want Texas. Not just the ego, but their fans would constantly complain about being on an ACC island (rightfully so). If you locked ND up and took WVU, any talk about the B12 beating out the ACC would be squashed.

 

[TheCusian]

Let's just lay this all out:

- the ability to say you're independent (even though 5 games are scheduled for you and you maintain "rivalry" games that you play every year)

vs

- a lesser chance at a NC and the payday from the playoff, a lesser chance at a great bowl year in and year out, and TV money that's roughly the same as teams in a conference, not to mention the prestige from the new playoff

There is no way that holds over time. If you value "independence" over NC's and money and prestige? Crazy. It will happen soon (2-3) years, IMO

 

[longtimefan]

Let's just lay this all out:

- the ability to say you're independent (even though 5 games are scheduled for you and you maintain "rivalry" games that you play every year)

vs

- a lesser chance at a NC and the payday from the playoff, a lesser chance at a great bowl year in and year out, and TV money that's roughly the same as teams in a conference, not to mention the prestige from the new playoff

There is no way that holds over time. If you value "independence" over NC's and money and prestige? Crazy. It will happen soon (2-3) years, IMO

If they move quickly to an 8-team playoff (~5 years?), ND will stay independent.

And, because of the bonanza involved, I think 8 teams is a foregone conclusion.

 

[bevosu]

Notre Dame football is living on past fame. No denying they are one of the most heavily followed college football programs...but

Since 2007 their record is 61-41.

The Weis years hurt.

But Kelly in 5 seasons has a 45-20 record...with 3 of those 5 seasons having 5 losses...one 4 loss season...and the 1 exceptional season in 2012 when they were 12-1.

The W-L records include bowl games.

They've ended the season in the top 20 rankings twice (2 times) in the past 8 seasons.

Their fans discounting a playoff shot doesn't look like such a major sacrifice based on their team's recent history.

 

[TheCusian]

If they move quickly to an 8-team playoff (~5 years?), ND will stay independent. And, because of the bonanza involved, I think 8 teams is a foregone conclusion.

Yep. I agree - that's the path that allows them continued independence. Unless the p5 forces it to a p5 only playoff (unrealistic).

 

[TheCusian]

Notre Dame football is living on past fame. No denying they are one of the most heavily followed college football programs...but Since 2007 their record is 61-41. The Weis years hurt. But Kelly in 5 seasons has a 45-20 record...with 3 of those 5 seasons having 5 losses...one 4 loss season...and the 1 exceptional season in 2012 when they were 12-1. The W-L records include bowl games. They've ended the season in the top 20 rankings twice (2 times) in the past 8 seasons. Their fans discounting a playoff shot doesn't look like such a major sacrifice based on their team's recent history.

Yeah - that plays into my point. The path to a playoff birth is easier through a conference - maybe especially true in ours.

 

[Alsacs]

8 team playoff isn't coming for atleast 6 more years when CFB committee can renegotiate its contract. ESPN has the rights for 7 years. The CFB won't expand and give them free content. When the ESPN contract ends I am sure the CFB committee will solicit bids for what TV stations would pay for a 4 team playoff and 8 team playoff.

Expansion is not on horizon for the CFB. Notre Dame is signed with NBC Sports thru 2025. NBC is not going
to give up its ND rights and the ACC would need those rights for ND to help the ACCN.

Checkout this old thread http://syracusefan.com/threads/notr...l-partnership-through-2025.51151/#post-623163

 

[longtimefan]

8 team playoff isn't coming for atleast 6 more years when CFB committee can renegotiate its contract. ESPN has the rights for 7 years. The CFB won't expand and give them free content. When the ESPN contract ends I am sure the CFB committee will solicit bids for what TV stations would pay for a 4 team playoff and 8 team playoff.

Expansion is not on horizon for the CFB. Notre Dame is signed with NBC Sports thru 2025. NBC is not going
to give up its ND rights and the ACC would need those rights for ND to help the ACCN.

Checkout this old thread http://syracusefan.com/threads/notr...l-partnership-through-2025.51151/#post-623163

I don't think that much money will sit on the table for that many years. Contracts are made to be re-negotiated.

 

[TheCusian]

8 team playoff isn't coming for atleast 6 more years when CFB committee can renegotiate its contract. ESPN has the rights for 7 years. The CFB won't expand and give them free content. When the ESPN contract ends I am sure the CFB committee will solicit bids for what TV stations would pay for a 4 team playoff and 8 team playoff. Expansion is not on horizon for the CFB. Notre Dame is signed with NBC Sports thru 2025. NBC is not going to give up its ND rights and the ACC would need those rights for ND to help the ACCN. Checkout this old thread http://syracusefan.com/threads/notr...l-partnership-through-2025.51151/#post-623163

No way. CFB says to ESPN: we want to expand. ESPN says: how much?

The end.

 

[Alsacs]

No way. CFB says to ESPN: we want to expand. ESPN says: how much?

The end.

Why would the CFB committee want to expand before they could put the rights up for bidding? If they wanted to expand now they would need ESPN to pay more for those games but ESPN would demand an extension on the years they control the rights.
Right now they are happy at 4 and when this contract is ready for renewal they would take bids from ESPN, FOX Sports, NBC Sports, CBS/Turner, and would say give us bids for 4 team and 8 team playoff packages.
Its negotiating 1o1. Their is no need for CFB playoff to expand right now.

 

[dasher]

Why would the CFB committee want to expand before they could put the rights up for bidding? If they wanted to expand now they would need ESPN to pay more for those games but ESPN would demand an extension on the years they control the rights.
Right now they are happy at 4 and when this contract is ready for renewal they would take bids from ESPN, FOX Sports, NBC Sports, CBS/Turner, and would say give us bids for 4 team and 8 team playoff packages.
Its negotiating 1o1. Their is no need for CFB playoff to expand right now.

Alsacs, I will be wearing a orange t shirt on Monday. Make an attempt to drop by and say hello

 

[Alsacs]

Alsacs, I will be wearing a orange t shirt on Monday. Make an attempt to drop by and say hello

I'll have a Syracuse hat on so you won't miss me. Sadly its blue as I didn't pack more than one.

 

[dasher]

I'll have a Syracuse hat on so you won't miss me. Sadly its blue as I didn't pack more than one.

What is wrong with you?

 

[Briancuse]

Where is The Dude from WV when you need him...

Notre Dame football is living on past fame. No denying they are one of the most heavily followed college football programs...but

Since 2007 their record is 61-41.

The Weis years hurt.

But Kelly in 5 seasons has a 45-20 record...with 3 of those 5 seasons having 5 losses...one 4 loss season...and the 1 exceptional season in 2012 when they were 12-1.

The W-L records include bowl games.

They've ended the season in the top 20 rankings twice (2 times) in the past 8 seasons.

Their fans discounting a playoff shot doesn't look like such a major sacrifice based on their team's recent history.

They were in the national title game not too long ago. If they don't get a shot at the playoffs this year, it will be because their sos was too weak.

 

[TheCusian]

Why would the CFB committee want to expand before they could put the rights up for bidding? If they wanted to expand now they would need ESPN to pay more for those games but ESPN would demand an extension on the years they control the rights. Right now they are happy at 4 and when this contract is ready for renewal they would take bids from ESPN, FOX Sports, NBC Sports, CBS/Turner, and would say give us bids for 4 team and 8 team playoff packages. Its negotiating 1o1. Their is no need for CFB playoff to expand right now.

Depends. If they expand the current agreement for a larger amount prior? And then once the enter bidding they'd have concrete viewing and ad $ numbers to bring to the table. They'd still get what the deserve but would bank some in the mean time.

 

[Alsacs]

Depends. If they expand the current agreement for a larger amount prior? And then once the enter bidding they'd have concrete viewing and ad $ numbers to bring to the table. They'd still get what the deserve but would bank some in the mean time.

ESPN would give the CFB more money for an team playoff but they demand an extension. It is what they do everytime they renegotiate. Look at ESPN's deals with MLB, ACC, SEC as examples of years being tacked on for renegotiations and more money for the Sports entity.

Going 7 years with a 4 team playoff makes and allows the CFB to go on the market and make money. No business that large every leaves money on the able. If those rights go up for bidding it causes more money to be spent even if they want to stay with ESPN. Just look at the insane money NBC paid to keep the Barclay's English Premiere League. They won't expand until the next contract for money $$$.

 

[TheCusian]

ESPN would give the CFB more money for an team playoff but they demand an extension. It is what they do everytime they renegotiate. Look at ESPN's deals with MLB, ACC, SEC as examples of years being tacked on for renegotiations and more money for the Sports entity. Going 7 years with a 4 team playoff makes and allows the CFB to go on the market and make money. No business that large every leaves money on the able. If those rights go up for bidding it causes more money to be spent even if they want to stay with ESPN. Just look at the insane money NBC paid to keep the Barclay's English Premiere League. They won't expand until the next contract for money $$$.

We'll see. I don't think it's near as clean cut as you do. People were clamoring and the committee had to release a statement after ONE year. Why on earth would you wait 7 years if you could make x 10 that if you went to 8 teams sooner.

If there's enough money on the table all things are possible.

 

[Alsacs]

Expanding the playoffs to 8 wouldn't do anything to make ND join a conference. Only way ND joins a conference is if the NCAA or P5 mandate it. The P5 would not mandate it because the Big Ten wouldn't want to force ND into the ACC.