Our OOC schedule is a 4 out of 10
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Katz misses the main point that it is not OOC but rather overall body of work that matters. If you are a top team like Cuse is, Boeheim is wise not to get overly aggressive in OOC scheduling. If your BE may end up on the bubble, then adding some better OOC teams to the schedule could be the difference of NCAAT or NIT.
Using Dickie V’s rankings and giving 0.5 credit for teams that potentially could face one another in a pre-season or Holiday tournament, the toughest overall body of work rightly or wrongly is all BE teams in top 5, with two BE and two B10 teams tied for 6th-9th, and two more BE tied for 10th -14th:
Top score is 15 and all 16 BE teams score at least 11.0, five BE teams without ever playing anyone in top 40 outside of BE.
15.0 Louisville
15.0 Georgetown
14.5 St. John’s
13.5 Notre Dame
13.5 USF
13.0 UCONN
13.0 Cincy
13.0 Michigan State, the first non-BE team
13.0 Indiana, tied
12.5 Purdue
12.5 K-State, the first Big 12 team
12.5 Villanova
12.5 Maryland, the first ACC team
12.5 Rutgers
12.0 Ohio State
12.0 Syracuse (only non-BE is Florida, then VA Tech, Okl St and NC St)
12.0 Kansas
12.0 Marquette (all due to BE, best OOC is Wash, ole MS and Drexel)
12.0 West VA (best OOC is #40 Miami-FL, then K-State and Kent St)
12.0 Tennessee, the first SEC team
12.0 Oklahoma
12.0 DePaul (all due to BE opponents, best OOC is Minn, ole MS, Dayton and Fairfield
11.5 Texas
11.5 Michigan
11.5 Missouri
11.5 Oklahoma State
11.0 Duke received a 9 on that site for Schedule and Cuse received a 4?
11.0 Northwestern
11.0 Pitt (all attributed to BE Opponents, best OOC in TN, then Duquesne and James Madison)
11.0 Seton Hall (again all BE with best OOC Northwestern, VCU and St. Peter’s)
11.0 Providence (again all BE, with best OOC teams like BC, Iowa St., N Iowa and URI)
Not surprisingly then, weighting Dickie V’s top 10 @4, teams 11-20 @3, teams 21-30 @2 and teams 31-40 @ 1, the toughest overall body of work belongs to BE and SEC-East teams, and Cuse is even higher in the overall list due to BE strength relative to the other conferences in Dickie V's (and everybody's) top 40.
43.5 Tennessee
43.0 Louisville
42.0 St. John’s
38.0 Georgetown
36.5 Notre Dame
35.0 So. Carolina
35.0 USF
34.5 Villanova
34.0 Syracuse, not exactly a "4" SOS in my book
34.0 Kansas first team not in BE or SEC-East
33.0 Florida
33.0 Michigan State first B1G team
33.0 Georgia
32.5 K-State
31.0 Kentucky
31.0 Texas
31.0 Cincy
31.0 Rutgers
31.0 DePaul
30.0 Ohio State
30.0 Marquette
30.0 Indiana
30.0 Seton Hall
30.0 Providence
30.0 Oklahoma
29.5 Michigan
29.0 UCONN
29.0 Pittsburgh
29.0 West VA
29.0 Oklahoma State
28.0 Texas A&M
28.0 Iowa State
27.5 Purdue
27.5 Maryland, top score in relatively weak ACC without Cuse and Pitt
27.0 Vandy
27.0 Mississippi State
26.0 Wisconsin
26.0 Northwestern
26.0 Texas Tech
25.0 Illini
25.0 Nebraska
24.5 Duke
24.5 Missouri
24.0 Baylor
24.0 FSU
24.0 Arkansas
24.0 Penn State
24.0 NC State
22.0 North Carolina
22.0 Virginia
21.0 Miami-Florida
21.0 Minnesota
20.5 UCLA first and only P12 team
20.5 ole Miss
20.5 Auburn
20.0 VA Tech
Other top 40 teams
14.5 Memphis (Vitale #9)
13.5 Alabama (#12)
12.0 Xavier (#14)
13.0 Arizona (#17)
05.0 Butler (#23)
09.0 Gonzaga (#26)
00.0 George Mason (#27)
00.5 New Mexico (#33)
09.0 California (#35)
11.5 Temple (#38)
So Katz should reserve the ratings of 4 and below for these last 10 schools, not any BE teams other than relative to one another.
Using Dickie V’s rankings and giving 0.5 credit for teams that potentially could face one another in a pre-season or Holiday tournament, the toughest overall body of work rightly or wrongly is all BE teams in top 5, with two BE and two B10 teams tied for 6th-9th, and two more BE tied for 10th -14th:
Top score is 15 and all 16 BE teams score at least 11.0, five BE teams without ever playing anyone in top 40 outside of BE.
15.0 Louisville
15.0 Georgetown
14.5 St. John’s
13.5 Notre Dame
13.5 USF
13.0 UCONN
13.0 Cincy
13.0 Michigan State, the first non-BE team
13.0 Indiana, tied
12.5 Purdue
12.5 K-State, the first Big 12 team
12.5 Villanova
12.5 Maryland, the first ACC team
12.5 Rutgers
12.0 Ohio State
12.0 Syracuse (only non-BE is Florida, then VA Tech, Okl St and NC St)
12.0 Kansas
12.0 Marquette (all due to BE, best OOC is Wash, ole MS and Drexel)
12.0 West VA (best OOC is #40 Miami-FL, then K-State and Kent St)
12.0 Tennessee, the first SEC team
12.0 Oklahoma
12.0 DePaul (all due to BE opponents, best OOC is Minn, ole MS, Dayton and Fairfield
11.5 Texas
11.5 Michigan
11.5 Missouri
11.5 Oklahoma State
11.0 Duke received a 9 on that site for Schedule and Cuse received a 4?
11.0 Northwestern
11.0 Pitt (all attributed to BE Opponents, best OOC in TN, then Duquesne and James Madison)
11.0 Seton Hall (again all BE with best OOC Northwestern, VCU and St. Peter’s)
11.0 Providence (again all BE, with best OOC teams like BC, Iowa St., N Iowa and URI)
Not surprisingly then, weighting Dickie V’s top 10 @4, teams 11-20 @3, teams 21-30 @2 and teams 31-40 @ 1, the toughest overall body of work belongs to BE and SEC-East teams, and Cuse is even higher in the overall list due to BE strength relative to the other conferences in Dickie V's (and everybody's) top 40.
43.5 Tennessee
43.0 Louisville
42.0 St. John’s
38.0 Georgetown
36.5 Notre Dame
35.0 So. Carolina
35.0 USF
34.5 Villanova
34.0 Syracuse, not exactly a "4" SOS in my book
34.0 Kansas first team not in BE or SEC-East
33.0 Florida
33.0 Michigan State first B1G team
33.0 Georgia
32.5 K-State
31.0 Kentucky
31.0 Texas
31.0 Cincy
31.0 Rutgers
31.0 DePaul
30.0 Ohio State
30.0 Marquette
30.0 Indiana
30.0 Seton Hall
30.0 Providence
30.0 Oklahoma
29.5 Michigan
29.0 UCONN
29.0 Pittsburgh
29.0 West VA
29.0 Oklahoma State
28.0 Texas A&M
28.0 Iowa State
27.5 Purdue
27.5 Maryland, top score in relatively weak ACC without Cuse and Pitt
27.0 Vandy
27.0 Mississippi State
26.0 Wisconsin
26.0 Northwestern
26.0 Texas Tech
25.0 Illini
25.0 Nebraska
24.5 Duke
24.5 Missouri
24.0 Baylor
24.0 FSU
24.0 Arkansas
24.0 Penn State
24.0 NC State
22.0 North Carolina
22.0 Virginia
21.0 Miami-Florida
21.0 Minnesota
20.5 UCLA first and only P12 team
20.5 ole Miss
20.5 Auburn
20.0 VA Tech
Other top 40 teams
14.5 Memphis (Vitale #9)
13.5 Alabama (#12)
12.0 Xavier (#14)
13.0 Arizona (#17)
05.0 Butler (#23)
09.0 Gonzaga (#26)
00.0 George Mason (#27)
00.5 New Mexico (#33)
09.0 California (#35)
11.5 Temple (#38)
So Katz should reserve the ratings of 4 and below for these last 10 schools, not any BE teams other than relative to one another.
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Nice piece of statistical work!
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Yeah they had a point in the old big east. But in the new big east.
Can you imagine what Michigans states record would have been had they played in the new big east last year. Or North Carolinas record if they had the year before? Michigan state wouldn't have made the tournament last year and NC two years ago would have been in danger of not even making the NITs.
Great idea thets take a possible midseason slide for a top 20 team each year and put a rough out of conference schedule to lose on top of it, and end up benching our young upcoming freshmen for a stronger OOC schedule and dropping another 2-3 seeds if we don't do well in the BET. Ingenious(sarcasm)! Don't forget these are just kids. This isn't the NBA. Loosing that much can really hurt.
Can you imagine what Michigans states record would have been had they played in the new big east last year. Or North Carolinas record if they had the year before? Michigan state wouldn't have made the tournament last year and NC two years ago would have been in danger of not even making the NITs.
Great idea thets take a possible midseason slide for a top 20 team each year and put a rough out of conference schedule to lose on top of it, and end up benching our young upcoming freshmen for a stronger OOC schedule and dropping another 2-3 seeds if we don't do well in the BET. Ingenious(sarcasm)! Don't forget these are just kids. This isn't the NBA. Loosing that much can really hurt.
