Painting himself into a corner. Marrone interviewing for Jacksonville O.C. job

[KaiserUEO]

What's the head to head record? Last two years playing essentially the same schedule, Jets 12-20 vs Bills 15-17.

Here is what the Jets did in the eight years prior to Ryan

2001 10-6 Playoffs
2002 9-7 Playoffs
2003 6-10
2004 10-6 Playoffs
2005 4-12
2006 10-6 Playoffs
2007 4-12
2008 9-7

He then went
9-7 Playoffs
11-5 Playoffs
8-8
6-10
8-8
4-12

He's a better coach because he inherited a decent team and had two very good playoff runs and then a four year period without a winning season since. That makes sense.

They replaced a guy who beat the new guy like a drum head to head and had the first winning season with the organization in 10 years with a coach that has gone 26 - 38 his last four years.

Good for them.

wheres his HC job then????

if hes such a good coach, he gets 1, 2 seconds after the opt out.

or 2 seconds after the jets tell him no.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I have no dog in this fight but I wonder if DM's inability to get another HC job this year has less to do with any owners' strong belief, good or bad, about his coaching than not wanting to worry if they can even trust him . Personally I would think it's a bad omen for one's future when the people/teams who have believed in you, given you your greatest lifetime career opportunities, end up feeling burned and then even being publicly taken to task for not meeting his expectations after quitting.

 

[xc84]

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You don't walk a away from an NFL head coaching job so you can become a coordinator.

Obviously...but that is not what I said.

 

[Dr. Bill]

How was it clear? People act like he was in the last year of his deal. He wasn't.

Marrone asked for a contract extension and was denied. He had two years left on his deal….he could have asked for an extension next year……but he would have had to win next year…and look at the prospects of that. Why do you think he put this unprecedented clause in his contract? to be allowed to walk after two years…..Because he knew he would be shortly working for an owner….who did not hire him..and typically…new owners want to buy their own groceries. It was a smart move on his part as well as a gamble….He bet on himself, even if it doesn't lead to a head job next year….still a great play. Why? The ball is in his court….He left on his own terms…Still a huge plus for future interviews. His head coaching stent at Buffalo could have been better….but it was not a failure. He will repackage himself and get another opportunity next year. More jobes will be open..they are every year.

 

[Dr. Bill]

I have no dog in this fight but I wonder if DM's inability to get another HC job this year has less to do with any owners' strong belief, good or bad, about his coaching than not wanting to worry if they can even trust him . Personally I would think it's a bad omen for one's future when the people/teams who have believed in you, given you your greatest lifetime career opportunities, end up feeling burned and then even being publicly taken to task for not meeting his expectations after quitting.

Dream jobs are not always what they are cracked up to be. A "Title" with no real say or power, for a person that believes they are capable, becomes no fun and can ultimately be damaging to your own sense of self worth. That is where negotiation skills and communication come to play. Owners should not be afraid of hiring a strong leader, who is very particular about how he wants to get a job done, and insists on doing things his way….unless they want a "yes Man". That is how coaches get control and power….by asking for what you want. Every job..is not the right job for you….you may think it is…but once you know it is not….then you leave on your terms….."Priceless" Everyone…who works for someone else….should always want to retain and exercise that type of freedom….In my opinion, there is no greater power…than the "Power to say No" When you can do that in all circumstances….and you always can, it is very liberating…

 

[Full_Rebar]

Looks like Kubiak is poised to be the 2nd former HC in NFL history to get another HC job after going back to an OC/DC role...or maybe he's just going to be the 2nd guy this week.

History wasn't my strongest subject, so I'm just guessing based on responses in this thread that becoming an OC removes Marrone from ever having a chance to be a HC again.

 

[rrlbees]

Marrone asked for a contract extension and was denied

It's been since reported that he was offered the extension.

 

[Madbiker]

You don't walk a away from an NFL head coaching job so you can become a coordinator.

Maybe things happened with the new Buffalo ownership that led him to feel they didn't really love him and it was only a matter of time until he was pushed out. There are things only he knows. It's not unusual, if you've had to live in the world of corporate ownership changes, where they make the inherited holdovers feel uncomfortable and unwanted. Happens all the time.

 

[shandeezy7]

Looks like Kubiak is poised to be the 2nd former HC in NFL history to get another HC job after going back to an OC/DC role...or maybe he's just going to be the 2nd guy this week.

History wasn't my strongest subject, so I'm just guessing based on responses in this thread that becoming an OC removes Marrone from ever having a chance to be a HC again.

I don't think anyone has said that. And those situations aren't exactly comparable. What most people are saying is that this does not seem to have been Doug's plan and he probably thought all along that he was gonna take his $4 million from the Bills and find himself another head coaching job immediately.

 

[SWC75]

Maybe things happened with the new Buffalo ownership that led him to feel they didn't really love him and it was only a matter of time until he was pushed out. There are things only he knows. It's not unusual, if you've had to live in the world of corporate ownership changes, where they make the inherited holdovers feel uncomfortable and unwanted. Happens all the time.

When has an NFL coach walked away from his job like this? Belichick is the last one I remember- and he walked right into another head coaching job, not a coordinator's job.

This isn't something that happens all the time.

 

[chakka3421]

When has an NFL coach walked away from his job like this? Belichick is the last one I remember- and he walked right into another head coaching job, not a coordinator's job.

This isn't something that happens all the time.

Marrone probably thought he had a high probability to get a HC job...looks like it didn't turn out the way he had hoped. I do know he has made and banked enough money to be set for life - actually he has more money than he ever imagined.

However the guy loves to coach and he's still young. Obviously many here debate how good he is and his best record in college is 8-5 and 9-7 in the NFL - nothing earth shattering. He probably thought that it was good enough to land the next job but he became too toxic of a candidate plus NFL owners are a tight knit group. Marrone probably underestimated the owner reaction to him "leaving a job" versus an owner maintaining control of "firing a HC" for poor performance like sexy rexy.

I do find it would be harder for me if I were an assistant coach to go with a HC like Marrone since he left like he did leaving me unemployed while he gets a cool $4 million. I think he may have lost a lot of credibility not only with NFL owners who like and are in charge versus head coaches who think they are. Doug's ego got the best of him but I understand why he has gone the OC route and try to rebuild his credibility - all in all Doug has a lot to rebuild and prove.

And sexy rexy to the Bills - poor Bills fans - another 4-5 years of not making the playoffs. No way can or will I be a SU fan and Bills fan - I would have to take medicine if I were a fan of both since they seem to follow the same path of success & failure. Ouch.

 

[Crusty]

Who knows how it will turn out. Jax has some serious young talent on the O side, they have a breakout year and FHCDM looks like a genious again. See how it plays out I guess.

Again?

 

[CuseOnly]

Gruden has less HC experience and has done pretty well for himself as far as a career is concerned. He also made way less than Marrone did throughout his career.

Just saying.

Look at how he is coveted by everyone.

 

[Crusty]

Gruden has less HC experience and has done pretty well for himself as far as a career is concerned. He also made way less than Marrone did throughout his career.

Just saying.

Look at how he is coveted by everyone.

He won a Super Bowl.

 

[OrangeDW]

does Rex Ryan is a much better coach than Doug Marrone...work for you??

cause it does for the rest of the NFL...

Marrone kicked Rex's ass 3 out of the 4 times he faced him. Not even competitive games.

 

[SUFan44]

Marrone kicked Rex's ass 3 out of the 4 times he faced him. Not even competitive games.

What's your point? Bills have a much, much, much more talented team. At nearly every position.

 

[OrangeDW]

What's your point? Bills have a much, much, much more talented team. At nearly every position.

Bills fans are the only people who think that(and they're usually drunk, from the ones I know).

This whole "Bills were loaded" thing must stop. They SUCKED at every position on offense, except for a talented rookie WR. That's it. Everyone else sucked...Manuel/Orton, Chandler, the whole OL, the healthy RB's they actually trotted out there(I know Freddie was good when younger and healthier, and Spiller could be good). Woods is decent and young. Overall, the offensive talent sucks. No better than the Jets. Sorry.

 

[shandeezy7]

Bills fans are the only people who think that(and they're usually drunk, from the ones I know).

This whole "Bills were loaded" thing must stop. They SUCKED at every position on offense, except for a talented rookie WR. That's it. Everyone else sucked...Manuel/Orton, Chandler, the whole OL, the healthy RB's they actually trotted out there(I know Freddie was good when younger and healthier, and Spiller could be good). Woods is decent and young. Overall, the offensive talent sucks. No better than the Jets. Sorry.

Any why did the O-Line suck? It was one of the better lines in football when Marrone inherited it. What happened there?

 

[Ottoble]

the owner was going to let him go if they didnt make the playoffs next year, then he would be seen as a fired coach. I still say he is waiting for the giants job to open , OC for a yr or 2 and get ready for the next interview process.

So COACH and make the playoffs if the Bills stick you with Manuel A) hire the best QB coach money can buy. B) you have a built in excuse for the next interview.

 

[Millhouse]

Bills fans are the only people who think that(and they're usually drunk, from the ones I know).

This whole "Bills were loaded" thing must stop. They SUCKED at every position on offense, except for a talented rookie WR. That's it. Everyone else sucked...Manuel/Orton, Chandler, the whole OL, the healthy RB's they actually trotted out there(I know Freddie was good when younger and healthier, and Spiller could be good). Woods is decent and young. Overall, the offensive talent sucks. No better than the Jets. Sorry.

there has been a whole lot of quotes of things that no one has said.

the argument is their roster is better than the jets. there is a big gap between being the jets and being loaded.

the bills were better at QB than the jets. come on. if the defense is way better and the offense is at worst even, that means the roster is better

 

[ithacat]

there has been a whole lot of quotes of things that no one has said.

the argument is their roster is better than the jets. there is a big gap between being the jets and being loaded.

the bills were better at QB than the jets. come on. if the defense is way better and the offense is at worst even, that means the roster is better

The Bills were better at takeaways and that led to their relative success this season. Defensively the Bills were 4th (YPG) while the Jets were 6th -- the Bills were better against the pass (3rd vs 14th) while the Jets were better against the run (5th vs 11th). The Bills ranked 3rd in takeaways, however, while the Jets were bottom of the league. From a cap perspective the Bills had more than twice the cap investment than the Jets in their defense and it paid off.

Offensively, the Jets were 22nd (YPG) while the Bills were (26th), both were bad. No surprise that both QBs were rated low -- Total QBR had Orton 25th and Smith 29th.

In fairness to Rex, the Jets had clearly given up on him before the season began and he was a dead coach walking. The Jets have the 2nd biggest cap cache, more than 50% higher than the Bills (who have 22m to play with).

I hope Rex does well with the Bills and Doug lands on his feet. Given the Bills cap space, and that the team was the 3rd youngest going into last season, I like Rex's chances with the Bills.

 

[Millhouse]

The Bills were better at takeaways and that led to their relative success this season. Defensively the Bills were 4th (YPG) while the Jets were 6th -- the Bills were better against the pass (3rd vs 14th) while the Jets were better against the run (5th vs 11th). The Bills ranked 3rd in takeaways, however, while the Jets were bottom of the league. From a cap perspective the Bills had more than twice the cap investment than the Jets in their defense and it paid off.

Offensively, the Jets were 22nd (YPG) while the Bills were (26th), both were bad. No surprise that both QBs were rated low -- Total QBR had Orton 25th and Smith 29th.

In fairness to Rex, the Jets had clearly given up on him before the season began and he was a dead coach walking. The Jets have the 2nd biggest cap cache, more than 50% higher than the Bills (who have 22m to play with).

I hope Rex does well with the Bills and Doug lands on his feet. Given the Bills cap space, and that the team was the 3rd youngest going into last season, I like Rex's chances with the Bills.

i wonder if the jets were one of those teams that's so bad on offense that it makes their defense look better than it is. the other team just waits for interceptions and knows they'll win if they avoid up

orton gets nailed in QBR because it blames the QB too much for sacks. can't know that for sure because it's propietary (which I hate). i get their rationale, when QBs move around from team to team, the sack rates do tend to follow good or bad. he's not good at avoiding sacks he had his share of sacks where he took all day but the bills line was so bad, i pin more on them.

 

[UD1954]

Leader's lead...you can't ask 53 men to lay it on the line for the good of the team...but when it comes to you...you
just look out for yourself... between that and airing his dirty laundry publicly...his head coaching days are over...jmho

 

[ithacat]

i wonder if the jets were one of those teams that's so bad on offense that it makes their defense look better than it is. the other team just waits for interceptions and knows they'll win if they avoid up

orton gets nailed in QBR because it blames the QB too much for sacks. can't know that for sure because it's propietary (which I hate). i get their rationale, when QBs move around from team to team, the sack rates do tend to follow good or bad. he's not good at avoiding sacks he had his share of sacks where he took all day but the bills line was so bad, i pin more on them.

Lots of ways to parse stats, no doubt. Surprisingly the Bills gave up 39 sacks on 579 attempts while the Jets were much worse with 47 sacks on 498 attempts. Didn't watch the Jets much at all, and was really surprised that the Bills were much better than I seemed to recall.

 

[GoSU96]

Leader's lead...you can't ask 53 men to lay it on the line for the good of the team...but when it comes to you...you
just look out for yourself... between that and airing his dirty laundry publicly...his head coaching days are over...jmho

Who aired what publicly?