Paul Pasqualoni expected to return for a 49th season in football with new job at Florida

[JeffCuse]

You can’t rewrite WINNING the Big East and getting fired after your bowl game.

ped st treats paterno a gazillion times better than Cuse fans treat P.

ridiculous

I just think your blind affinity for him is uniquely strong. Most fans recognize he was a very good coach who was coming off years that were down by his own previous standards. It’s all good we can think differently and still be orange.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I just think your blind affinity for him is uniquely strong. Most fans recognize he was a very good coach who was coming off years that were down by his own previous standards. It’s all good we can think differently and still be orange.

I believe he had a few down years too, I also feel I know why.

Its too bad he was never given the opportunity to pull completely out of the funk, the BE Title was a nice start.

Guess we only give people 1 shot and even if they prove themselves a winner, at the slightest down tick...we send you packing.

I also know that being all righteous and Internet ‘correct’only seems to apply to P.

 

[Scooch]

You can’t rewrite WINNING the Big East and getting fired after your bowl game.

ped st treats paterno a gazillion times better than Cuse fans treat P.

ridiculous

Crazy thing about ‘04 was that if P just beat an atrocious Temple team, then we win the Big East outright, go to a BCS bowl, and he doesn’t get fired.

So, Walter Washington killed SU football.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Crazy thing about ‘04 was that if P just beat an atrocious Temple team, then we win the Big East outright, go to a BCS bowl, and he doesn’t get fired.

So, Walter Washington killed SU football.

That game was heartbreaking.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

You can’t rewrite WINNING finishing in a 4 way tie for the Big East and getting fired after your almost not getting selected for a bowl game.

ped st treats paterno a gazillion times better than Cuse fans treat P.

ridiculous

FIFY.

You can't rewrite history, Suzyn.

 

[JeffCuse]

Crazy thing about ‘04 was that if P just beat an atrocious Temple team, then we win the Big East outright, go to a BCS bowl, and he doesn’t get fired.

So, Walter Washington killed SU football.

So many what if's. What if we dont blow that game to NC State in '97? Then we enter a rough road game at Oklahoma a top 10 ranked team as opposed to entering unranked. Big swing. Is that mental change enough to get us 3 points? We lost 36-34 at Oklahoma.

Who knows.

So many missed opportunities with those McNabb era teams. That was always my frustration. We had borderline national title talent and we always found a way to force ourselves OUT of contention.

 

[Alsacs]

Cantor and Gross did P dirty but giving him a legit vote of confidence after the BC win in 2004.

Then P was very encouraging in the media leading up to the Georgia Tech Bowl game.

I believe the first play of the Champs Sports Bowl Perry Patterson threw a pick-6 we got housed and Gross did an about face and fired P.

P was stale at that time. The loss in 2004 to Temple should have sent the message we needed change.

P had a nice run at Syracuse and should be honored. The guy was a company man thru and thru. Crouthamel ran a tight budget and didn’t invest in football as much as he could and Shaw wasn’t helpful. P took the bullets for them.

As soon as Crouthamel retired the AD spent a lot of money. On the weight room, on Fieldturf. Stuff that could have helped P.

P deserves a ring of honor type of ceremony from Syracuse. He had Ray Rice committed. It sucks what happened right after him.
Robinson could recruit but couldn’t coach.
P could coach but the offense was really stale because of Deleone. Once Rogers left after McNabb the offense regressed.
The run, run, pass offense was real and predictable.

That doomed P.

 

[Alsacs]

Crazy thing about ‘04 was that if P just beat an atrocious Temple team, then we win the Big East outright, go to a BCS bowl, and he doesn’t get fired.

So, Walter Washington killed SU football.

That whole season was kinda crazy.
We got destroyed by Purdue and Virginia.
Had Florida State beat on homecoming and couldn’t stop Leon Washington. Perry Patterson lost us the FSU game.

WVU embarrassed us on a Thursday night.

Then we beat Pitt in double OT on a 4th Down and 1 stop. Our fans stupidly charged the field after that game.

The Temple game was so bad I can’t say anything more.

BC game will always be remembered as the Diamond Ferri game.

P only got fired because we hired a New chancellor and AD and they wanted their own guy.
P had to know the writing was kinda on the wall with that. Problem was how lied publicly and then fired him.

If we hire Bo Pelini or Norm Chow the program isn’t where it is.
John Harbaugh wanted the job as well. We weren’t interested.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Cantor and Gross did P dirty but giving him a legit vote of confidence after the BC win in 2004.

Then P was very encouraging in the media leading up to the Georgia Tech Bowl game.

I believe the first play of the Champs Sports Bowl Perry Patterson threw a pick-6 we got housed and Gross did an about face and fired P.

P was stale at that time. The loss in 2004 to Temple should have sent the message we needed change.

P had a nice run at Syracuse and should be honored. The guy was a company man thru and thru. Crouthamel ran a tight budget and didn’t invest in football as much as he could and Shaw wasn’t helpful. P took the bullets for them.

As soon as Crouthamel retired the AD spent a lot of money. On the weight room, on Fieldturf. Stuff that could have helped P.

P deserves a ring of honor type of ceremony from Syracuse. He had Ray Rice committed. It sucks what happened right after him.
Robinson could recruit but couldn’t coach.
P could coach but the offense was really stale because of Deleone. Once Rogers left after McNabb the offense regressed.
The run, run, pass offense was real and predictable.

That doomed P.

Gross wasn't even an SU employee when Cantor said she "intended" to bring Coach P back for 2005. He was hired Dec 17. Cantor's presser was Dec 6.

Gross had barely been on the job for a week when we played Ga Tech. The decision to fire Coach P was made at halftime of the game ... by the BoT. Not by Gross.

 

[Alsacs]

Gross wasn't even an SU employee when Cantor said she "intended" to bring Coach P back for 2005. He was hired Dec 17. Cantor's presser was Dec 6.

Gross had barely been on the job for a week when we played Ga Tech. The decision to fire Coach P was made at halftime of the game ... by the BoT. Not by Gross.

You don’t think when Gross was hired they asked him about P and football?
Of course they did.
Gross had influence in P’s firing.
The BOT don’t fire P if the AD was on board with his performance.

Go watch the GT bowl game. Gross joins Tirico/Herbstreit/Corso in the booth during the second quarter. Tirico asks him about P at the end and Gross gives a nonanswer. Corso as soon as Gross leaves the booth tells Tirico on air going to commercial P isn’t safe Mike.

Gross’s recommendation was part of P’s dismissal. A lot of new ADs like to
Make changes when they can to put their stamp on the department.

Gross told Cantor what his plans where when he got hired.

 

[samspann1]

That game was heartbreaking.

Heartbreaking?

Temple ran the same play over and over and over and over again, and we couldn't stop it. Embarrassing is a more apt description.

 

[elimunelson]

Gross wasn't even an SU employee when Cantor said she "intended" to bring Coach P back for 2005. He was hired Dec 17. Cantor's presser was Dec 6.

Gross had barely been on the job for a week when we played Ga Tech. The decision to fire Coach P was made at halftime of the game ... by the BoT. Not by Gross.

Embarrassing act by terrible actors.

I think the way you can look at Paul is the way Iowa stuck with Kirk Ferentz. Kirk had some big seasons at Iowa and some leaner ones where they won 4-5 games. The institutional comfort in Ferentz and having the backing from the Belichicks of the world have protected him in a big way.

If Crouthamel had hung on for another 4-5 years Paul gets the maximum amount of time to right the ship. Syracuse got seduced by the SEC-ization of once a coach goes bad it's only his fault and he needs to be replaced. Sometimes it's more complicated than that.

He's STILL coaching into his 70s is because he's respected in a business of real duplicitous folks. He took a chance on a last chance guy in Ed Orgeron. He gave the CT mafia (Addazio) a chance to be successful at a higher level.

We screwed up the entire Pasqualoni transition and the school still paying for it. Dino was handed a pile of crap once he showed up. Time will tell if he can truly turn it around into a school with a sustainable program.

 

[elimunelson]

That whole season was kinda crazy.
We got destroyed by Purdue and Virginia.
Had Florida State beat on homecoming and couldn’t stop Leon Washington. Perry Patterson lost us the FSU game.

WVU embarrassed us on a Thursday night.

Then we beat Pitt in double OT on a 4th Down and 1 stop. Our fans stupidly charged the field after that game.

The Temple game was so bad I can’t say anything more.

BC game will always be remembered as the Diamond Ferri game.

P only got fired because we hired a New chancellor and AD and they wanted their own guy.
P had to know the writing was kinda on the wall with that. Problem was how lied publicly and then fired him.

If we hire Bo Pelini or Norm Chow the program isn’t where it is.
John Harbaugh wanted the job as well. We weren’t interested.

Being at that BC game was the best. It was a coronation game. The sombreros were out. Maryannes post game was a morgue. That was i think Matt Ryan's first game because their QB was hurt (memory is foggy).

At that point I think USF still had a game to play that was moved into December. If they lose that i think there was still a slight chance we could backdoor into the Fiesta. I remember it being a message board story for a while.

 

[Alsacs]

Being at that BC game was the best. It was a coronation game. The sombreros were out. Maryannes post game was a morgue. That was i think Matt Ryan's first game because their QB was hurt (memory is foggy).

At that point I think USF still had a game to play that was moved into December. If they lose that i think there was still a slight chance we could backdoor into the Fiesta. I remember it being a message board story for a while.

Pitt had to beat USF and if they lost then we could have made the Fiesta Bowl.
However we would have lost by more than we lost to Georgia Tech if we played undefeated Utah and Urban Meyer/Alex Smith.

We were underdogs to BC and that was Matt Ryan we beat. He couldn’t handle the blitzes we kept sending.

That season we had a lot of wins we left on the table. Should have been better than 6-5. That was part of the reason P got fired.

P paid the bills for Crouthamel and Buzz being fiscally prudent. They didn’t invest in the football program and let the wear and tears bring the program down.

Gross spent to repair the program but hired a painter to lead the program when they needed an architect.

We did the same thing when we replaced Marrone with Scott Shafer.

We were average when P left. Robinson cratered the program.
Marrone brought back it back to average.
Shafer cratered it again.
Babers is bringing us back to average.

 

[Stern]

You can’t rewrite WINNING the Big East and getting fired after your bowl game.

ped st treats paterno a gazillion times better than Cuse fans treat P.

ridiculous

I'm sorry I can't let that last part slide. Put the Joe Pa being a creep and doing nothing about Sandusky aside, and just talk about football and results on the field, you can't compare Paterno to Coach P. One is a legendary coach who won national titles, the other is Coach P.

While Penn St fans have a sick obsession with JoePa that is creepy, I get it to an extent in that the guy won a ton and brought them national titles and had them as a national power for like 4 decades. Coach P isn't anywhere close to that level. So, Cuse fans shouldn't treat Coach P the way Penn St fans treat JoePa.

 

[sufandu]

I'm trying to illustrate that Shafer had recruited guys in that Dino team. i'm a huge Dino guy and he coached them up. Dino doesn't win 10 games without Dungey that year, who was brought in by Scott. That should be commended but Dino unlocked the ultimate potential in Dungey that year.

Paul inherited a loaded Syracuse era from Mac and made the putt for the first 3 years with aplomb. I won't hold it against him. He also reloaded with the McNabb era and built that into a 2x BCS team. That should be commended for having never happened in modern times at Syracuse.

I just think we tend to lionize Mac b/c he left at the perfectly right time for legacy building. If Paul had taken the Penn State job in March of 1999 we would probably have built a statue already.

Yeah, Dungey was there for Dino. You can probably cherrie pick a good player from any team that transitioned from a failed coaching regime to the one that comes in an makes improvement. Any comparison of Shafer>Dino and Mac>P is completely off base.

I'm not holding '91 or '92 against P. I'm just not giving him full credit. He deserves part of the credit as does Mac. When people try to say P was the clear cut second best coach in school history and give him full credit for those first 2 years, I think they're discrediting Mac for how he set that team up. The same can be said when using winning percentage or total wins as an argument. Mac came into a program that wasn't as good as what P was left and it took a few years to get things going. That hurts his numbers.

They were both great for the program for extended periods of time and both make strong cases.

 

[Alsacs]

I'm sorry I can't let that last part slide. Put the Joe Pa being a creep and doing nothing about Sandusky aside, and just talk about football and results on the field, you can't compare Paterno to Coach P. One is a legendary coach who won national titles, the other is Coach P.

While Penn St fans have a sick obsession with JoePa that is creepy, I get it to an extent in that the guy won a ton and brought them national titles and had them as a national power for like 4 decades. Coach P isn't anywhere close to that level. So, Cuse fans shouldn't treat Coach P the way Penn St fans treat JoePa.

He means Syracuse fans chit on P to this day.
He was never appreciated and given credit for being a company guy.
P in retrospect took a lot of chit that should have been directed at the guys above him.
Now P always had WTH losses and that is his fault but the guy ran a clean program and never had full on support from his administration towards the football program.
Negative recruiting shouldn’t have worked on our program but post-McNabb it worked.

Penn State cult to this day still treat Joe Pa like god. They won’t admit the guy may not have committed a crime but he knew what Sandusky was and didn’t stop giving him access to the program after he left. Joe Pa it can easily inferred turned a blind at best or at worst knew what he was and didn’t want his own reputation tainted which it was.

 

[Stern]

He means Syracuse fans chit on P to this day.
He was never appreciated and given credit for being a company guy.
P in retrospect took a lot of chit that should have been directed at the guys above him.
Now P always had WTH losses and that is his fault but the guy ran a clean program and never had full on support from his administration towards the football program.
Negative recruiting shouldn’t have worked on our program but post-McNabb it worked.

Penn State cult to this day still treat Joe Pa like god. They won’t admit the guy may not have committed a crime but he knew what Sandusky was and didn’t stop giving him access to the program after he left. Joe Pa it can easily inferred turned a blind at best or at worst knew what he was and didn’t want his own reputation tainted which it was.

Coach P was treated the way 99% of college football coaches are treated. No better or worse. I can't buy the argument that Coach P got a raw deal or treated unfairly. It was no different than what goes on at almost every other school around the country.

 

[gmoney44]

Then we beat Pitt in double OT on a 4th Down and 1 stop. Our fans stupidly charged the field after that game.

In hindsight it was probably deserving. We have played Pitt every year since then and won just two games. It’s insane how many close games we’ve lost to them since then.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I'm sorry I can't let that last part slide. Put the Joe Pa being a creep and doing nothing about Sandusky aside, and just talk about football and results on the field, you can't compare Paterno to Coach P. One is a legendary coach who won national titles, the other is Coach P.

While Penn St fans have a sick obsession with JoePa that is creepy, I get it to an extent in that the guy won a ton and brought them national titles and had them as a national power for like 4 decades. Coach P isn't anywhere close to that level. So, Cuse fans shouldn't treat Coach P the way Penn St fans treat JoePa.

14 years

107-59-1 Overall Record

73-34 Conference Record

6-3 in Bowl Games including 2 Fiesta's and Orange & a Gator not to mention a Cheez it, nee Camping World nee Champs.

an avg of 7.6-4.2 record per year.

he is our version Paterno.

the reason why we think are any good football, not counting our fathers and grandfathers long lost era in the 50s...IS because of the success P had.

but lets just continue to tarnish his legacy.

 

[JeffCuse]

I'd just like to go on record as saying this thread was about congratulating a very good coach for a new job and has now become an argument. I wish we could all just be ok with the idea he was a very good coach who had some very good years, who isnt here any more, and who we wish the best.

Doesnt mean it was or wasnt his time. We can disagree on that.
Doesn't mean he was the best, second best, or some other ranking in all time SU coaches. We can disagree on that.

We can disagree and still be equally passionate Orange fans. This doesnt need to be an argument.

 

[elimunelson]

I'd just like to go on record as saying this thread was about congratulating a very good coach for a new job and has now become an argument. I wish we could all just be ok with the idea he was a very good coach who had some very good years, who isnt here any more, and who we wish the best.

Doesnt mean it was or wasnt his time. We can disagree on that.
Doesn't mean he was the best, second best, or some other ranking in all time SU coaches. We can disagree on that.

We can disagree and still be equally passionate Orange fans. This doesnt need to be an argument.

P is the Rorschach test of Syracuse fandom. And this is a message board.

 

[Alsacs]

P is the Rorschach test of Syracuse fandom. And this is a message board.

Of all things to complain about that was weird. You are right this is a message board. People I think have been very respectful of P in this thread as well. It's been positive but also complete. The ending was handled poorly but the guy doesn't get the respect he deserves.
P would have been a better pro HC coach than Mac.

 

[JeffCuse]

Of all things to complain about that was weird. You are right this is a message board. People I think have been very respectful of P in this thread as well. It's been positive but also complete. The ending was handled poorly but the guy doesn't get the respect he deserves.
P would have been a better pro HC coach than Mac.

Wasn’t a complaint. Just an observation. We simply cannot speak of the guy without people taking sides and grabbing pitchforks. You aren’t worse than a Penn State fan who supports a child molester because you felt that a good coach had met his time to move on. You are just a passionate orange fan who sees things differently. And that’s ok.

 

[SU68]

He started 2004 with 50 points hung on him and ended the season with 50 points hung on him. Being Big East "champion" with three other teams in a weak league is nothing to brag about.

The worst part of his last team -- and not his fault -- is that was the team that was first called the Orange and not the Orangemen.