pay for play

[All4SU]

Why is the argument for not paying college kids "the system is already broken bad enough, don't want to make it worse by giving these kids the money they earned"?

The Supreme Court tore the NCAA a new one the other day in a bipartisan effort. That alone says how messed up the system is.

That’s not even close to my complete argument.

 

[RandomGuy]

Walter Byers built the NCAA as its president from 1951-1988. He coined the term student athlete. With the $$ influx from TV? By 1995 he rallied against the very system he created, because what it had become.

He called the NCAA a "nation wide money laundering scheme." He used the term "neo plantation" to describe it. He called on congress for the "deregulation of a monopoly business operated by not-for-profit institutions contracting together to achieve maximum financial returns."

He called it hypocrisy and exploitation.

"Collegiate amateurism is not a moral issue; it is an economic camouflage for monopoly practice that 'operates an air-tight racket of supplying cheap athletic labor.'"

The very man that came up with the system began rallying against it 25 years ago, because Billions more $$'s changes things. I happen to agree.

 

[AngryOtto]

If there paid they are employees. All their benefits should be taxed (scholarships, room and board, pay and incidentals)
This whole argument look at how much the coaches and schools get versus the player is ridiculous. If people want to say it’s a business let’s look at google or apple or any company. The ceo makes millions. The business makes billions. The workers make a set salary which pails in comparison to the ceo and business.
The athlete gets a free education, top quality coaching, room and board and a stipend. When they leave school they have zero debt compared to most regular students with over $300,000. That is a life time substantial benefit.
I hear that they have to go to school. No it’s a choice to play sports in college. They do not have to go. Every league except football has a minor league. College should not be the minor leagues for the nfl. A player can go out and get coaching, conditioning and pay for it themselves or higher an agent instead of going to college.
If you start paying players and number of schools will end the sports program. All Olympic sports will be gone. Football and basketball at mid majors, division 2and 3 will be eliminated. You already saw with covid the razor thin margin in athletics. Schools will not loose money to maintain sports.
So in the end we will all be watching 10 college teams and the pros. Yeah.

 

[bnoro]

If there paid they are employees. All their benefits should be taxed (scholarships, room and board, pay and incidentals)
This whole argument look at how much the coaches and schools get versus the player is ridiculous. If people want to say it’s a business let’s look at google or apple or any company. The ceo makes millions. The business makes billions. The workers make a set salary which pails in comparison to the ceo and business.
The athlete gets a free education, top quality coaching, room and board and a stipend. When they leave school they have zero debt compared to most regular students with over $300,000. That is a life time substantial benefit.
I hear that they have to go to school. No it’s a choice to play sports in college. They do not have to go. Every league except football has a minor league. College should not be the minor leagues for the nfl. A player can go out and get coaching, conditioning and pay for it themselves or higher an agent instead of going to college.
If you start paying players and number of schools will end the sports program. All Olympic sports will be gone. Football and basketball at mid majors, division 2and 3 will be eliminated. You already saw with covid the razor thin margin in athletics. Schools will not loose money to maintain sports.
So in the end we will all be watching 10 college teams and the pros. Yeah.

This is the most wild take I've read today.

Are you against Amazon workers forming a union too?

 

[RandomGuy]

If there paid they are employees. All their benefits should be taxed (scholarships, room and board, pay and incidentals)
This whole argument look at how much the coaches and schools get versus the player is ridiculous. If people want to say it’s a business let’s look at google or apple or any company. The ceo makes millions. The business makes billions. The workers make a set salary which pails in comparison to the ceo and business.
The athlete gets a free education, top quality coaching, room and board and a stipend. When they leave school they have zero debt compared to most regular students with over $300,000. That is a life time substantial benefit.
I hear that they have to go to school. No it’s a choice to play sports in college. They do not have to go. Every league except football has a minor league. College should not be the minor leagues for the nfl. A player can go out and get coaching, conditioning and pay for it themselves or higher an agent instead of going to college.
If you start paying players and number of schools will end the sports program. All Olympic sports will be gone. Football and basketball at mid majors, division 2and 3 will be eliminated. You already saw with covid the razor thin margin in athletics. Schools will not loose money to maintain sports.
So in the end we will all be watching 10 college teams and the pros. Yeah.

How did they do it before they added billions to their coffers? How do those d2 still do it, when they don't bring in much $$ at all? Do the extra 49 scholarships for D1 just destroy FBS teams?

Currently, only the academic scholarship is not taxable.

 

[RandomGuy]

If there paid they are employees. All their benefits should be taxed (scholarships, room and board, pay and incidentals)
This whole argument look at how much the coaches and schools get versus the player is ridiculous. If people want to say it’s a business let’s look at google or apple or any company. The ceo makes millions. The business makes billions. The workers make a set salary which pails in comparison to the ceo and business.
The athlete gets a free education, top quality coaching, room and board and a stipend. When they leave school they have zero debt compared to most regular students with over $300,000. That is a life time substantial benefit.
I hear that they have to go to school. No it’s a choice to play sports in college. They do not have to go. Every league except football has a minor league. College should not be the minor leagues for the nfl. A player can go out and get coaching, conditioning and pay for it themselves or higher an agent instead of going to college.
If you start paying players and number of schools will end the sports program. All Olympic sports will be gone. Football and basketball at mid majors, division 2and 3 will be eliminated. You already saw with covid the razor thin margin in athletics. Schools will not loose money to maintain sports.
So in the end we will all be watching 10 college teams and the pros. Yeah.

Let's look at an industry. Let's say they have a 1 of kind technology that requires thousands of engineers. All owners offer 4/5 year internships, with room and board, and free tuition assistance. After that? Less than the top 1% will be rewarded with a paying job, that on average lasts a couple years.

It sounds illegal, because it is. Even if they argue the room/board/tuition assistance is enough. Even if they argue that paying 99% of the staff will put them out of business.

They are amateur engineers because I don't pay them. Why don't I pay them? Because they're amateurs.

 

[JustPherU]

If only there was a place where kids could go play for free and bring in millions of dollars for their teams, not benefit from that at all, and then have to go take some entry level job when they graduate while coaches and ADs make exorbitant salaries...

Oh wait that's the current college program!

But at least they get a degree

Not benefit at all?

 

[ImperialOrange]

I always enjoy reading peoples takes on this subject because there really isn't a clear answer. One would have to decide is revenue producing sports should live in a vacuum. If so, pay scales would be pretty easy to quantify BUT title 9 would be out the window and your lose a ton of female athletic scholarships. If not, how do you rationalize paying a football or basketball player different wages than a track athlete, hockey player, baseball player, softball player, etc?

Also would need complete clarity on where ALL the money the ncaa currently takes in goes. We know conference tv deals and bowl pay outs but that's nowhere near all of the revenue. Is it enough to pay all student athletes equally as well as cost of tuition in P5 schools?